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Early Final Cut Pro X Response Mixed, Updates Coming

I was playing around with Final Cut Pro X last night. I like the interface. Sure it has a resemblence to iMovie but it's still NOT iMovie. It does so much more.

Just for kicks I did import a project from iMovie. It was a basic music video. It didn't do so well. The video effects got messed up and the music sync was shot. Apparently the import feature needs work.

Personally I think Apple will come through. It will take some time but for now I can learn FCP X and wait patiently for the updates.

For those getting refunds, what's the point? Why not wait to see how things shake out. If you get your money back now, you will only be spending it again later when Apple improves the product. Just chalk it up as a tax deduction and move on. :) Besides, its not like you can't stop using the older version of the software.
 
samcraig said:
You keep defending the release like someone who works for Apple. No one is attacking you personally. And I don't think Apple needs you to defend them so vehemently.

As for the app being targeted to the iMovie crowd - you're wrong. The app, as released is priced far below what prosumers who would ever pay 999 to enter into FCP's ecosystem. That's why you also have tons of people saying how great the program is - because SOME of them simply do not know better or have requirements that were inclusive of FCP7.

I also think you're mistaken in your repeated assertion that iMovie is free. It's not. It's free/installed on new systems. But new versions are $49 as part of the iLife suite. And even for the new systems - the cost is built into the premium pricing Apple charges for their computers. "Free" is not exactly accurate.
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Obviously when I say free, I mean free with new mac purchases. But even if you are purchasing iMovie itself, the whole iLife package (not just iMovie) costs 49$, so iMovie probably costs around 15$. Which is quite different compared to 400$.

I'm not defending the app. I'm attacking the weaknesses of the app and defending the strengths. There's a difference.

To clarify things, I don't work for Apple, I've never worked for Apple, and I'm not planning ever on working for Apple.
 
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JabbaII said:
The FCP X license (app store) is a bit sketchy. I am sure people will start to "own" 10 mac pros all of a sudden. App store is not really for business. Again, FCP X and the whole delivery method / licensing does not look pro to me (not that I am one).

http://www.macworld.com/article/157018/2011/01/appstore_licensing.html
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If you are the business owner, and purchased all the macs in your studio yourself, they belong to you, so you have the rights to install your App Store purchases to all of them. It'll only create a problem if a person is not the owner of the hardware but the company in general owns it.
 
mBox said:
So whats wrong with Apple releasing a piece of software that they have never claimed to replace the previous?
I was at the SuperMeet. I did my research. No where does it say in Apples site that this was going to replace the old FCP.
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Please, locate the product information and order page for Final Cut Pro 7 on Apple's website. Go ahead, I'll wait.
 
samcraig said:
For some professionals - the difference between FCPX and Apple giving up on FCP (like Shake) are one in the same (at this point) - which is why there is negativity.
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How can that be the same? When an application is officially discontinued, like Shake, you know that you'll eventually have to switch, so you make your roadmap according to that information, look around for possible alternatives. So you don't have a choice.

When you know that the company will keep investing into the app, then you have a choice. Either you wait for the app to be complete or you make the switch.
 
Been playing with Final Cut X all day - now completely comfortable with the magnetic timelime and making edits. So far, all I can say is WOW. Apple have stripped away the 20-year old tape-based metaphors for video software and chucked them in the trash. Beautiful.

Many stodgy pros are going to HATE them for giving anyone with a talent, £500 DLSR or one of the new breed of large sensor camcorders tools to create great productions 100% 'in the box' with as little fuss as possible. It's a bit like how racks of gear in recording studios started disappearing as more and more could be done within LOgic or other plugin-based audio systems.

No, Final Cut Pro X is not complete yet. You may want to wait if you need proper multi-cam support or legacy features. Audio handling I feel could be more intuitive. But to not admire the sheer excellence of software design FCPX represents is massively churlish.

Now that video for me is largely DSLR based this is ready for prime time for what I need to do. The speed is incredible and throwing dozens and dozens of HD clips at it has not resulted in any crash so far.

This is the greatest thing Apple has done in YEARS. I just love it.
 
iBug2 said:
Obviously when I say free, I mean free with new mac purchases.
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No. From your posts it's not clear or obvious. You just keep saying the software is free. It isn't. And you're a student of semantics - so it's surprising you'd backpeddle on that instead of just owning up to the semantic error.

Thanks for clarifying. I still don't see it as a really relevant point though.
 
I see no way Apple can't come through with FCPX, what with this insurmountable anger.
 
iBug2 said:
How can that be the same? When an application is officially discontinued, like Shake, you know that you'll eventually have to switch, so you make your roadmap according to that information, look around for possible alternatives. So you don't have a choice.

When you know that the company will keep investing into the app, then you have a choice. Either you wait for the app to be complete or you make the switch.
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On June 22nd, 2011 - it's the same. If you can't use FCPX for your workflow, you can't use it. It's the same as if it doesn't exist (yet). So there's no difference.
 
samcraig said:
No. From your posts it's not clear or obvious. You just keep saying the software is free. It isn't. And you're a student of semantics - so it's surprising you'd backpeddle on that instead of just owning up to the semantic error.

Thanks for clarifying. I still don't see it as a really relevant point though.
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Anyone who has used a mac in his life at least once (which includes people in this board) know that iMovie is free with new purchases and does cost otherwise. If this was a board filled with people who have no idea how the pricing for iMovie works, then I'd be more careful.

So I don't think it creates any kind of confusion when I say "free".
 
Reach said:
Yes, professionals hate having to pay less. I for will not buy this application before it at least doubles in price!
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Pay Less? This is not the SUITE. It has less functionality and power than the suite and as someone pointed out, with all the plugs in professionals will need to buy, extremely pricey.
 
Cory Bauer said:
Please, the locate product information and order page for Final Cut Pro 7 on Apple's website. Go ahead, I'll wait.
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Point taken but again they never claimed it was an update to FCP.
Apple can do whatever they want and we can all sit and complain (which seems to me everyone is).
Im not jumping on this "I hate Apple" bandwagon just because "real pros" cant open their FCP projects in a totally rebuilt new version that maybe should have been called "The other Final Cut Pro 10.".
So its gone off the their site. whatevs, we have 3 seats of FCS3 and honestly have only installed up to FCS2 for other weird reasons.
Just all this hate towards a release is a bit much.
When it starts to destroy worlds, Ill grab a pitch-fork ;)
 
samcraig said:
On June 22nd, 2011 - it's the same. If you can't use FCPX for your workflow, you can't use it. It's the same as if it doesn't exist (yet). So there's no difference.
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No, there's a difference on June 22.

On June 22 you know that Final Cut is not dead. You know that in 2 years there still will be a Final Cut around, with new versions.

So on June 22 you can "decide" to wait or "decide" to switch. And those decisions will lead to different type of actions.

The day shake was discontinued, there was no choice.
 
iBug2 said:
No, there's a difference on June 22.

On June 22 you know that Final Cut is not dead. You know that in 2 years there still will be a Final Cut around, with new versions.

So on June 22 you can "decide" to wait or "decide" to switch. And those decisions will lead to different type of actions.

The day shake was discontinued, there was no choice.
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You're missing the value statement. That's ok. Let's not waste more bandwidth since you'll never convince me and you're missing my point as well.
 
samcraig said:
You're missing the value statement. That's ok. Let's not waste more bandwidth since you'll never convince me and you're missing my point as well.
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I'm not missing anything, you are.

You claim that there's no difference in June 22. Even for people who won't use this release. There is.

The difference is, if someone doesn't want to use this release, he still can buy it and start learning it to be ready when the features he/she misses are added.

This is a choice which starts effecting users actions today, not in a year when they start using the software on their everyday workflow.

If Apple said that they are discontinuing Final Cut, yesterday, I'm pretty sure the reaction and actions of people, today, would be considerably different.

This same issue was brought up after the February demo in Cupertino. And people asked the editors/filmmakers who were under NDA, what they could tell them after the demo. One question was "what do we know today that we didn't know yesterday?" and the answer was "we know that Apple isn't ditching FCP and they are investing tons of money on it right now.".

So that information changes a lot.
 
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Macist said:
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Many stodgy pros are going to HATE them for giving anyone with a talent, £500 DLSR or one of the new breed of large sensor camcorders tools to create great productions 100% 'in the box' with as little fuss as possible. It's a bit like how racks of gear in recording studios started disappearing as more and more could be done within LOgic or other plugin-based audio systems.
But to not admire the sheer excellence of software design FCPX represents is massively churlish.

Now that video for me is largely DSLR based this is ready for prime time for what I need to do. The speed is incredible and throwing dozens and dozens of HD clips at it has not resulted in any crash so far.

This is the greatest thing Apple has done in YEARS. I just love it.
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There is a lot to love in the software, I'm sure. But I'm not a churlish pro, I'm an independent filmmaker (six features) who needs to collaborate with sound designers. That's not possible with this software. Please don't disparage people as 'churlish or stodgy' who cannot use the software because of its lack of features. I am pissed off that Apple chose to exclude me as a filmmaker from this update. Is there an official Apple notification that these features we need are "coming soon"

No.

Did they abandon FCP 7.

Yes.

I've made features for $500 and for $150,000 and everywhere in between. I'm all for power to the people, but in this instance, it's ultimately less power for many, and better for a few who do all of their work themselves.
 
Sirmausalot said:
but in this instance, it's ultimately less power for many, and better for a few who do all of their work themselves.
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Now that's a bold statement which requires proof. You have no idea what percentage of the FCP 7 userbase is effected greatly by the missing features.
 
Matthew Yohe said:
Honestly, you're emailing Steve Jobs about this? And, you're emailing him to get your money back? You know Apple made this whole Mac App store that has things like, "help" where you can go to to request things like refunds.

Don't be stupid.
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Email the CEO for a $300 software refund...nice!

Obviously they were trying to temper some of this in advance basically stating this isn't in final (cut) form.

I do wish they chose to do a bigger beta or wait until the features were added...its always tough "upgrading" with software in first wave...it's rarely what it will eventually become (and the things missing for the old version will stick out).
 
Sirmausalot said:
Pay Less? This is not the SUITE. It has less functionality and power than the suite and as someone pointed out, with all the plugs in professionals will need to buy, extremely pricey.
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And with all your assumptions, arguing is not that interesting to me. :p I honestly can't see Apple doing this as FCPX for 299 (400 for what is effectively Studio), only to charge insane amounts for "plugins" this is Multicam, OMF, etc. etc. These are features that a real pro-app needs, and I'm sure Apple will make sure FCPX has it fairly soon.

Don't put this in your workflow now and pay through your nose for things you need - wait until Apple delivers it (or not), and use FCP 7 in the meantime.
 
Backward Compatible?

A lot of folks here are in an uproar about FCP7 projects not working in FCPX. I'm sure there are some reasons to take a FCP7 project to FCPX, but real professionals who started a project in 1 version typically do not upgrade software until the project is complete.

I think a bigger issue than projects not being backward-compatible, is that that FCPX is not computer backward-compatible.

According to Apple's website, if you haven't bought a new Mac since mid-2008 (iI think that's when the change-over happened) FCPX, Motion 5, and Compressor 4 will not work with your graphics card.

http://support.apple.com/kb/HT4664

Has anyone with one of these non-compatible graphics cards purchased FCPX? Can you tell me what your experience has been like?

I happen to be an ATI Radeon X1900 XT 512MB owner and would like to know what would happen if I tried using these new Apps.
 
jdredline said:
A lot of folks here are in an uproar about FCP7 projects not working in FCPX. I'm sure there are some reasons to take a FCP7 project to FCPX, but real professionals who started a project in 1 version typically do not upgrade software until the project is complete.

I think a bigger issue than projects not being backward-compatible, is that that FCPX is not computer backward-compatible.

According to Apple's website, if you haven't bought a new Mac since mid-2008 (iI think that's when the change-over happened) FCPX, Motion 5, and Compressor 4 will not work with your graphics card.

http://support.apple.com/kb/HT4664

Has anyone with one of these non-compatible graphics cards purchased FCPX? Can you tell me what your experience has been like?

I happen to be an ATI Radeon X1900 XT 512MB owner and would like to know what would happen if I tried using these new Apps.
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If you are on a Mac Pro, at least you can buy a new card for about 150$. Tough luck if you are on a laptop or iMac. It'd make more sense for the apps to launch on unsupported cards but simply perform worse. This isn't nice. No CUDA aware process on Premiere requires a CUDA card to run as far as I know. They just run faster on CUDA.
 
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