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Stumbled upon this early logo design for Final Cut Pro X :)

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indeed; however, auto-spell correct doesn't like it, so you got "nausea" instead... deal with it :p

If you're going to be hoity-toity (does your spell checker understand that?), you should be smart enough to double-check your spell checker.

I don't need to "deal with it" - you look really foolish for not dealing with it.


Stumbled upon this early logo design for Final Cut Pro X :)

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Yes, Adobe must be loving this debacle.
 
Well, let's break it down. Companies who have invested in Apple hardware don't have anything to worry about, as long as Adobe and Avid keep maintaining their OS X ports and so far none of them said anything suggesting otherwise. There always was an NLE working on Macs, and probably there always will be.

About discontinuing products, Apple isn't really the only company who discontinues things. Adobe did it as well, quite painfully for customers even. Probably every major software house did discontinue something in their lifetime.

Then about what Steve says, first of all Steve hasn't said anything about FCP X after the release. Second, they obviously aren't discontinuing FCP, since they just released a brand new version, so your only actual complain is that this new version isn't as high end as the old versions. Which is correct, but the only thing Apple must be held accountable is wrong marketing.


- First, Apple is not discontinuing FCP (at least not in name.) So the simple notion that FCPX can import iMovie projects and won't import FCP7's is really troublesome for whoever have invested money in the former Final Cut Studio suite. What happened to all the "professional standard" claims of before?

- Second, third parties shouldn't be thrown into the equation. Apple should be held accountable. They were the ones offering that "professional standard" BS. Their claim now is "everything just changed in post". You bet, painfully to Avid and Premiere.

- Third, if you read me well, I never wrote STEVE and FCPX in the same sentence. I wrote STEVE and FCP. And yes, STEVE claimed in every keynote about FCP being the "professional standard" in post-production, blah, blah, blah....

- At this moment there are 612 ratings for FCPX from many not so happy App Store customers....
 
I just realized... I'm over it. Yes, disappointed, frustrated at the unfulfilled potential and promise that I let myself believe might happen.

I'll use FCP7 and look at other options.
 
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If you're going to be hoity-toity (does your spell checker understand that?), you should be smart enough to double-check your spell checker.

I don't need to "deal with it" - you look really foolish for not dealing with it.
Oh my, one minor spelling error at the end of my sentence, how dare I not look before hitting submit. What a terrible ordeal... you must really hate when a posters' native language is not English! :rolleyes:

I'll make sure every sentence is perfectly spelled for you from now on, your holiness! We wouldn't want to upset the grammar police, now would we?

Actually I think you should just report me for improper spelling, perhaps if the mods ban me, I will have more time to study my weekly spelling lists and ensure that I never miss a letter because of spell check not agreeing with a Latin-root word again! Thank you for pointing out my pure stupidity, your pedestal has been raised another notch. Keep it up cowboy!
 
Nah, 10.6.8 won't bring any of the missing features. There will be new graphic drivers coming with 10.6.8 that might fix some Open CL issues or whatever. (Totally guessing on this)

To actually add all the key missing features, it'd probably take several iterations if not a full new version. That's not gonna happen in a few weeks.

That was not the point I was trying to make. What was the "rush" to get it out even before the recommended 10.6.8 is available?

At any rate it is out and with a lot of negative controversy.

So we all move on.
 
Oh my, one minor spelling error at the end of my sentence, how dare I not look before hitting submit. What a terrible ordeal... you must really hate when a posters' native language is not English! :rolleyes:

I'll make sure every sentence is perfectly spelled for you from now on, your holiness! We wouldn't want to upset the grammar police, now would we?

Actually I think you should just report me for improper spelling, perhaps if the mods ban me, I will have more time to study my weekly spelling lists and ensure that I never miss a letter because of spell check not agreeing with a Latin-root word again! Thank you for pointing out my pure stupidity, your pedestal has been raised another notch. Keep it up cowboy!

No, I've reported you for insulting demeanor....

When you know that you are losing on the basis of your arguments, then personal attacks will at least confuse the clueles.
 
Even though Wini is known to hate on Apple, he has a valid point. Apple's x.0 products in the past couple of years have been dire, whereas Microsoft's have been rather impressive (with the exception of Windows Phone 7 which lacked features.) Yeah, no doubt, bugs are bound to exist in x.0 releases, but Apple's bug lists have been rather huge. Snow Leopard was very buggy on release. Windows 7... seemed fairly solid, with a few niggles.

A pro product lacking pro features is simply unacceptable, no matter which way you swing it. I cannot envision Microsoft doing similar.

I still have to disagree with this. I'd like some real examples of Apple .0 product releases being bad. As someone who switched to Apple 3.5 years ago and works in IT fixing Microsoft software for a living the only example I can see of an Apple product with a bad .0 release was Aperture 3 and its memory leak, which was fixed immediately, no waiting for months for a service pack to be issued.

I can't say the same for Office 2010, Office 2007, Vista, Windows 7, and I'm sure there is more I am missing but they are escaping me at the moment. (People have mentioned Windows Phone 7 but I have no experience with it so I can't comment on it).

All software is going to have bugs, people just get all up in arms when its Apples software.
 
Good luck finding FCPX jobs with a high pay grade.

And anyone editing wedding videos on this (nothing against wedding video editors), with dreams of moving on and evolving to bigger projects, such as movies or tv shows, can probably kiss that dream goodbye!
 
I have downloaded and played with it for a while. It will defintely take some time to get used to the new interface. My biggest gripe so far is that I haven't found a way to roundtrip clips/sequences to Motion. :confused:
 
Oh my, one minor spelling error at the end of my sentence, how dare I not look before hitting submit. What a terrible ordeal... you must really hate when a posters' native language is not English! :rolleyes:

I'll make sure every sentence is perfectly spelled for you from now on, your holiness! We wouldn't want to upset the grammar police, now would we?

Actually I think you should just report me for improper spelling, perhaps if the mods ban me, I will have more time to study my weekly spelling lists and ensure that I never miss a letter because of spell check not agreeing with a Latin-root word again! Thank you for pointing out my pure stupidity, your pedestal has been raised another notch. Keep it up cowboy!

Just ignore him - I suppose he's not that used to interacting with people. :D
 
And anyone editing wedding videos on this (nothing against wedding video editors), with dreams of moving on and evolving to bigger projects, such as movies or tv shows, can probably kiss that dream goodbye!

Wedding videographers HATE FCPX, due to its lack of multi-cam editing...
 
I still have to disagree with this. I'd like some real examples of Apple .0 product releases being bad. As someone who switched to Apple 3.5 years ago and works in IT fixing Microsoft software for a living the only example I can see of an Apple product with a bad .0 release was Aperture 3 and its memory leak, which was fixed immediately, no waiting for months for a service pack to be issued.

I can't say the same for Office 2010, Office 2007, Vista, Windows 7, and I'm sure there is more I am missing but they are escaping me at the moment. (People have mentioned Windows Phone 7 but I have no experience with it so I can't comment on it).

All software is going to have bugs, people just get all up in arms when its Apples software.

I think it is more Apple .0 releases of something big seem to be missing features that really should of been in them.
iOS 1.0 lack copy past, multi tasking, notifications, MMS ect. now some of those took Apple 4 years to get them in but copy past, MMS and 3 party Apps is pretty big to be lacking.
Apple TV 1st gen lets face it was a toy and was lacking a lot of basic things that were added in the next release.
This seem to be lacking some pretty huge things. Apple and re writes means it comes out of the gate lacking some major features.
From what I have been reading it seems this was clearly not ready for the pro world in complete lack of some features.
 
I am so glad that I didnt jump in and buy FCPX on day 1 and am sorely disappointed with it from a cautious waiting to buy POV.

At this point I will focus my NLE efforts to Avid as that's what we use in my workplace... But with a heavy heart.

I hope that Apple do right what seems to be wrong with the new app but only time will tell... I don't have time unfortunately as I have to work now, or face falling behind and therefor out of favour.

What I will say is this:-

To all the extremely negative reviewers/unhappy early adopters... Start asking for a refund, this is the only way to get Apples attention, hit them in the pocket and they will start to listen.
 
This is clearly targeted at dSLR video workflow, and should be familiar to anyone that's used Aperture. It's Aperture-for-video, which is great. That's basically the flow going forward.

I guess a later version will update so that tape/film editors are supported, assuming people still use tape/film in a couple of years.

Yes, dSLR video is going to replace all video workflows. No, your video camera is not going to be usable anymore.

Quit whining. You'll get over it, and buy a dSLR camera, and find its video to be much better than any video camera you've ever owned, ever.

Seriously, sell your video camera. Buy a dSLR for video. It's better.
 
Even though Wini is known to hate on Apple, he has a valid point. Apple's x.0 products in the past couple of years have been dire, whereas Microsoft's have been rather impressive (with the exception of Windows Phone 7 which lacked features.) Yeah, no doubt, bugs are bound to exist in x.0 releases, but Apple's bug lists have been rather huge. Snow Leopard was very buggy on release. Windows 7... seemed fairly solid, with a few niggles.

A pro product lacking pro features is simply unacceptable, no matter which way you swing it. I cannot envision Microsoft doing similar.
FYI, Windows Vista is 6.0 and Windows 7 is 6.1. ;)
 
This is clearly targeted at dSLR video workflow, and should be familiar to anyone that's used Aperture. It's Aperture-for-video, which is great. That's basically the flow going forward.

I guess a later version will update so that tape/film editors are supported, assuming people still use tape/film in a couple of years.

Yes, dSLR video is going to replace all video workflows. No, your video camera is not going to be usable anymore.

Quit whining. You'll get over it, and buy a dSLR camera, and find its video to be much better than any video camera you've ever owned, ever.

Seriously, sell your video camera. Buy a dSLR for video. It's better.


vDSLR is already dead. The Panasonic AF-100 and SONY F3 and FS-100 took over and are ruling the filmworld soon. DSLR was just opening the shores, but now we have these chips in cameras that actually offering a normal workflow (audio-inputs, zoom, waveforms, decent monitors, ...))
 
I work in large scale reality television as an editor/producer.

For a few years there FCP was picking up a bit of steam as medium sized production companies were deciding to pull out of outsourced post facilities and bring it all in house. Avid didn't have a software only version of Media Composer, so FCP made a lot of sense. A lot of things about it were broken, media management, outputting to tape, EDL/OMF exports, but they were things that mainly effected assistant editors or online editors. (in tv an online editor has nothing to do with the Internet). But it was usuable by unbiased editors if the projects were set up properly and you were an editor who could think in layers and drag and drop.

Avid was a groaning Dino but it had its strengths. A massive pool of editors, assists, and post supers who knew the workflow, and a workflow that was a known quantity. When you are spending 10k a day in salaries in post one day of 'why won't this tape digitize in the right format' can really chew into the bottom line. Avid held out for years on this simple economic but eventually the industry migration away from outsourced post forced them to compete on price and a little on usability.

Right at the time that avid decided to step up and consolidate their offerings and move media composer to software only for all platforms Apple seemed to step out of the game. Rather than fixing the small but very series industry deal breakers in their product apple seemed more interested in press releases about bryan singer using FCP.

To some degree both avid and FCP target the film industry and workflow, but avid is robust enough to support massive reality in a thoughtful way. FCP just isn't, and they seem like they abandoned it film makers and wedding video guys.

Big reality shows have thousands of hours of tape and dozens of editors and producers accessing that content for months at a time. We were hoping the dry spell between updates of FCP was them creating something perfect for us. Now it just seems like more abandonware. Apple is intent on breaking the rest of their product rather than just rounding the corners on what they already have. Their old product alienated just the editors that didn't like the UI and the assists that could wrap their heads around OS controlled media. This new product seems to alienate everyone in the entire workflow.
 
vDSLR is already dead. The Panasonic AF-100 and SONY F3 and FS-100 took over and are ruling the filmworld soon. DSLR was just opening the shores, but now we have these chips in cameras that actually offering a normal workflow (audio-inputs, zoom, waveforms, decent monitors, ...))

I don't see them matching DSLR flexibility, which will eventually be useful for ENG at stations that are going to want still images for their websites news reports. Everybody is going to be doing double-duty.

Apple specifically addressed the audio input issue through the audi-sync feature. You can record audio in a separate audio recorder if you want, which is what I've been doing. It was a BITCH to sync, and this was clearly a problem that Apple saw when they put the sync feature in.

Also, lens selection on dSLRs are so much better than video as well.

FCP and the upcoming Nikon D4 are the two nails-in-the-coffin for traditional video flows. I have no info on the D4, but Nikon invented dSLR video, and they have recent patents on things like zoom control for their dSLR lenses, (nevermind custom rigs...), so I have high expectations there for pro-video. Would love it if the rumors of the D4 having Thunderbolt ports are true, so I can import/edit instantly.

BTW I can't believe Betacam is still around through its digital formats. Seriously, kill it with fire.

Let's end tape formats.
 
This is just retarded and amateurish. If you're jumping ship from FCP it's not going to be to Adobe Premiere. lol Good luck finding Premiere editing jobs.
I've made just over $50,000 this year so far with Adobe Premiere / After Effects CS5, and it's still June. All this *before* FCP X came out. I think the Adobe crowd will be just fine, but thanks for the luck!
 
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