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To further explain real-world implications to those that aren't getting it:

I have dozens of clients that come to my studio to edit, and because there is no I/O monitoring, we literally cannot edit on Final Cut with them. The new program is useless to my business.

So, is I/O ever coming to Final Cut? If not, I can never use it, and I should start investing in new software/hardware and finding other employees. If it is, then when? 2 weeks? Six months? One year? Two years?

Ok, so I can continue to use Final Cut 7. They stopped selling it, but are they discontinuing support for it, like for new/evolving codecs? Will it work with Lion in a month?

Will Apple address these questions? If so, when? If not, why not? Other companies, like Adobe, give roadmaps.

All of these questions impact time and money - business.

All those questions are reasonable. Apple should really put out official word on these issues as soon as possible.

I'm pretty sure Final Cut 7 will work on Lion. I haven't tested but I don't see why it shouldn't.
 
Way to botch what could have been the best editing software ever Apple! I won't be upgrading anytime soon now.

This is good and bad.

First, when you have a polarized response like that, it is in fact a good thing. You have to keep in mind, any aesthetic driven product, epically for the Apple crowd, there is a small minority that would kill the artists / inventors and burn down their buildings if the could due to their own insecurity if they could get away with it.

Second, when I see no middle ground in ratings, I start to ignore the over-vocal wieners posting from their break rooms and parent's basements. One app I wrote was like that and the cash still comes in from it.

Nelson and Arbatron have internal methods of identifying psychotics to keep those over-vocal and irrelevant comments from affecting positive comments. Apple and the American Political System still needs to learn how to do this.
 
I was at the Paris Apple store two days ago, I sat down on the corner waiting for my train, for 3 hours.

I smell something odd here. First, Apple has more than one store in Paris - so "the Apple store" is suspect. Even accounting for that faux pas, which Apple store in Paris is at a train station with 3 hours between trains?

Not likely the Louvre or the Opéra - since no long distance trains depart from either of those stations.

Web searches for "apple store paris" don't show me any stores near the Gare du Nord, Gare de Lyon or other long distance stations....

ps: don't try to bluff, I can almost make my way through the Gare de Lyon with my eyes closed.
 
I smell something odd here. First, Apple has more than one store in Paris - so "the Apple store" is suspect. Even accounting for that faux pas, which Apple store in Paris is at a train station with 3 hours between trains?

Not likely the Louvre or the Opéra - since no long distance trains depart from either of those stations.

Web searches for "apple store paris" don't show me any stores near the Gare du Nord, Gare de Lyon or other long distance stations....

Sorry for the confusion. I was at the Louvre store. And the train doesn't depart from Louvre, but the train station is 4 subway stations away from Louvre, so instead of waiting in the station I waited in Apple Store, they had free wifi and didn't mind me sitting in there. :)

Thanks for reminding me that there's the Opera store, I never visited that one, my next visit I should check that out.


ps: don't try to bluff, I can almost make my way through the Gare de Lyon with my eyes closed.

So can I. But a tip for the next time. Don't type "don't try to bluff, I can almost make my way through the Gare de Lyon with my eyes closed." before the other party actually says anything about the name of the Gare. If I was lying, you just gave me the hint on which Gare I should look at on google.
 
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Thanks for reminding me that there's the Opera store, I never visited that one, my next visit I should check that out.

de rien...


So can I. But a tip for the next time. Don't type "don't try to bluff, I can almost make my way through the Gare de Lyon with my eyes closed." before the other party actually says anything about the name of the Gare. If I was lying, you just gave me the hint on which Gare I should look at on google.

But even with the hint, I think you messed up. The Musée du Louvre Métro station is the sixth stop from the Gare de Lyon.

At least according to Yahoo! and the Paris Métro maps. Maybe this "google" thing is broken.
 
HAH they removed comments in the UK and US market. Reviews are for the community! Especially when they come from people who have paid for the product.

How can they just take this down? If you paid the $300 you get to have your own voice heard to warn others. I've seen the app on one of my coworkers computers and he can't even open his FCP7 projects.

Theres a import imovie project but not FCP. What a joke. Continue the trend apple of leaving pro/business users in the dark. First it was ignoring mac os x / macbook pro / mac pro development. Now it's completely getting rid of Xserve and soon to be OS X server.

If they aren't up for continuing proper development of FCP sell it off to someone who will.
 
But even with the hint, I think you messed up. The Musée du Louvre Métro station is the sixth stop from the Gare de Lyon.

At least according to Yahoo! Maybe this "google" thing is broken.

Possible that I misremembered, can be 6. But that's not really messing up. I'm not supposed to know the Paris subway by hard, since I don't live in Paris. I could have simply checked in wikipedia if I wanted to make sure. :)
 
HAH they removed comments in the UK and US market. Reviews are for the community! Especially when they come from people who have paid for the product.

How can they just take this down? If you paid the $300 you get to have your own voice heard to warn others. I've seen the app on one of my coworkers computers and he can't even open his FCP7 projects.

Theres a import imovie project but not FCP. What a joke. Continue the trend apple of leaving pro/business users in the dark. First it was ignoring mac os x / macbook pro / mac pro development. Now it's completely getting rid of Xserve and soon to be OS X server.

If they aren't up for continuing proper development of FCP sell it off to someone who will.

Seriously - Apple are censoring comments from people making honest criticisms of the software?

The MAS is not only a walled garden with high walls, but the Ministry of Information deletes any honest criticism of the garden.

Adobe must be loving this - more Premiere customers every day.
 
Looks like the reviews are back up. Hope it was an honest technical error of some sort. They should know that editing reviews will only make this worse.
 
I think Avid would be the switchers first choice, not Premiere.

If a shop already has Adobe or Avid workflows, it's likely that they'll choose whatever is more familiar to most of their people.

If they're FCP-only and are moving on, Premiere has the "bang-for-the-buck" unless you have some really high-end requirements.

Adobe must be loving this....
 
If they're FCP-only and are moving on, Premiere has the "bang-for-the-buck" unless you have some really high-end requirements.

Adobe must be loving this....

If a shop is FCP-only then they're likely to have high end requirements because they didn't go with the cheaper Premiere to begin with. So they'd switch to Avid.

Anyway, my actual prediction is that this won't really lose many customers to Apple. Most people will wait and see what happens and keep using FCP 7 in the mean time. For the few who switched out of FCP, there'll be slightly more who switched to FCP. So the userbase should stay around the same. Whether or not getting few people tomorrow would either make AVID or Adobe happy, I don't know. But in the long term, I think FCP X will end up stealing a lot of people off Avid and Premiere. So what really matters is where things will go.
 
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Again, that's not the point!!!!!

The program is called FINAL CUT PRO TEN. It was recently marketed and promised for years as FINAL CUT PRO.

What they released yesterday is NOT Final Cut Pro. It is NOT a professional tool. As of right now, Apple does not sell a professional video editor.

These "little" things have large affects on BUSINESS PLANS. TIME. MONEY.

Do you get it now?

Again, the woefully misinformed crying foul for not being adult enough to do their homework. It is exactly the point. Steve isn't putting a gun to anybody's head to buy the product. And no one put a gun to anyone else's head to do the research to see how this would affect their business plans, time, and money. It's called taking responsibility and being adult enough to look past the hype and make informed decisions. If something is touted as the best thing since sliced bread, and it isn't sliced bread, guess what? It's not.
 
Opinions aren't Mixed

All the reviews on the App Store about this app has been deleted. ALL !!!

How about reporting some truth about Apple that matters instead of all this paparazzi BS with COoke in China.
And iOS here and there.

A company that wants us to take their store seriously offering us the uppertunity to give reviews but cripples us by deleting
them when they dont pass apple's SS-NAZI censorship.

What a bad day as Apple user.


And what a sad day for MacRumors who are nothing but a bunch of paid APple Fan Gals !!!!!

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Earlier today, Apple launched the much anticipated Final Cut Pro X (FCP X) to the Mac App Store. Originally described as a "dramatic and ambitious" change, it represents a complete rewrite and reimagining of Final Cut Pro, leading to some apprehension amongst professionals.

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Since the initial release, several walkthroughs and impressions have been posted across the web and our forums. Like the App Store ratings (shown above), the response has been mixed.

Philip Hodgetts provides an extensive blog post in question and answer form about what is and isn't included in Final Cut Pro X. He specifically reveals upcoming features that Apple has told him are coming. These include:

• "Multicam will come in a future release, when Apple decide how best to implement it within the new application and architecture."
• "As of Version 1 and today’s release there is no direct import capability for [Final Cut Pro 6/7] projects. My understanding is that there will be an Apple-provided utility for importing XML from older projects to Final Cut Pro X."
• "the Apple folk made it abundantly clear that the ecosystem was very important to them, and that there will be a new, and much improved, replacement for the current XML workflow."

Larry Jordan who has been frequently quoted for his early comments about the Final Cut Pro X also weighs in. Jordan points out several of the improvements and disadvantages of the new system. He also points out that Apple is planning a quicker upgrade cycle for Final Cut Pro than they have in the past now that its in the App Store:Ultimately, despite the limitations, he expects that within the next 18 months practically all Final Cut customers will be running Final Cut Pro X due to the overall improvements.

Article Link: Early Final Cut Pro X Response Mixed, Updates Coming
 
The more basic question is why they released it like this?

Because it's usable for many people in this form and not usable for many others. The people who can use it can buy it today, and the ones who can't can switch or keep waiting for upgrades.

What's the point of waiting another year when you can release it today to people who'd actually make good use of it today?

As long as it's working and not buggy / unstable, it's ok.

What's wrong is how they marketed it. If they let everyone know about what's missing, then people wouldn't be complaining like this. As it seemed from this thread, many people simply bought it without waiting for reviews to come in, and were surprised on all the missing key elements, which quite reasonably made them furious.
 
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