could be....i have to admit i'm not all that savvy. I can put it into a mode that imovie will import without issue....a lesser resolution.
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could be....i have to admit i'm not all that savvy. I can put it into a mode that imovie will import without issue....a lesser resolution.
Yes, very sad.Too bad Minghella is dead
But at least his buddy's favorite editing suite is with him now. While we bereaved suckers are rotting in FCP X hell...
Yes, very sad.
But at least his buddy's favorite editing suite is with him now. While we bereaved suckers are rotting in FCP X hell...
Not me.
I didn't buy FCP X. I think you hit the nail on the head here.
Final Cut Pro X is much more of a replacement for Final Cut Express 4 (which was dropped at the same time as Final Cut Pro 7).
At this point, those folks that had big multiuser collaborative process paths, serious video studio work etc. have been pitched over the side. Final Cut Pro X is much closer to Final Cut Express pricing and appears to cover the Final Cut Express market and the lower end (single user) but larger section of the Final Cut Pro market.
Those with Final Cut 7, stay with that, see what Apple does over the next couple of years and if you need an updated platform see what Adobe and Avid offer.
Anybody else notice that like OS X Lion, this $300 application only comes through the App store? No physical media purchase option - this annoys me. For something like this (which would be one big ass download) I'd prefer the physical option - I'd pay extra for it.
Anybody that wants additional copies of Final Cut Studio, get it on eBay while the price is low...it won't stay that way for long with Apple taking back and destroying the copies in the retail channel (like they did with Leopard when Snow Leopard rolled out).
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WHY is this such a huge deal to people?!
I'm sorry, but I just don't get it. FCP X *just* came out, so a version 1.0 release essentially, of a completely revamped, reworked way to edit video. Apple already stated they plan on creating a separate utility that will let you import FCP 7 projects into it. It's just not ready immediately.
Obviously, FCP X has a whole new way of letting you work with and view a given project, so a lot is involved in doing some kind of conversion from a previous version's project to this new arrangement.
If you've got a lot invested in FCP 7 (or an even earlier version), then the SANE thing to do is keep that software installed and use it wherever you need to, to update/revise some existing project. It's going to take a while just to get comfortable with all the changes in FCP X anyway. So why not start playing with X on a NEW project or two, where nothing is time critical and you're just experimenting/learning? Apple is NOT forcing you to uninstall the old version just to start using the new one on a given machine.
If time goes by and you decide Apple hasn't done enough with FCP X to satisfy you at THAT point, then you're fully justified in a decision to move to a competitor's product. But people are acting like if this release doesn't do every single thing they can think of that they want, the whole thing is a step backwards and the entire application should be scrapped. By most counts, FCP X is actually doing a great job of all the things it DOES offer in this initial release. Certainly, I can use it for my own needs right away. (I'm no "pro" video editor, but I work on things like occasional computer training videos, and have a documentary project I'm trying to get put together.) I'm happy it was released now so folks like me can start benefiting from it, instead of Apple sitting on it for months while they added more line-items to it.
I'm sorry, but I just don't get it. FCP X *just* came out, so a version 1.0 release essentially, of a completely revamped, reworked way to edit video. Apple already stated they plan on creating a separate utility that will let you import FCP 7 projects into it. It's just not ready immediately.
Obviously, FCP X has a whole new way of letting you work with and view a given project, so a lot is involved in doing some kind of conversion from a previous version's project to this new arrangement.
If you've got a lot invested in FCP 7 (or an even earlier version), then the SANE thing to do is keep that software installed and use it wherever you need to, to update/revise some existing project. It's going to take a while just to get comfortable with all the changes in FCP X anyway. So why not start playing with X on a NEW project or two, where nothing is time critical and you're just experimenting/learning? Apple is NOT forcing you to uninstall the old version just to start using the new one on a given machine.
If time goes by and you decide Apple hasn't done enough with FCP X to satisfy you at THAT point, then you're fully justified in a decision to move to a competitor's product. But people are acting like if this release doesn't do every single thing they can think of that they want, the whole thing is a step backwards and the entire application should be scrapped. By most counts, FCP X is actually doing a great job of all the things it DOES offer in this initial release. Certainly, I can use it for my own needs right away. (I'm no "pro" video editor, but I work on things like occasional computer training videos, and have a documentary project I'm trying to get put together.) I'm happy it was released now so folks like me can start benefiting from it, instead of Apple sitting on it for months while they added more line-items to it.
That much is evident. And I don't mean that in a negative way, just that you would understand all of the negativity if that weren't the case.
These are not simply "line items." These are basic necessities in any "pro" NLE. So the excuse of this being version 1.0 doesn't fly.
The uncertainty of it all is what has made this situation so bad. As it appears now, Apple is going the direction of the single user/hobbyist/amateur/low budget/whatever you want to call it. Unless they try to quell the storm by letting some of their game plan be known, then the unrest among the "pro" users is going to continue until they jump ship.
Also, I've seen no comment from Apple claiming a utility for FCP7 projects is coming. I'm not sure where you're getting that info from.
He got that info from some people calling and asking Apple, but obviously that's not official.
I have listened to the Walter Biscardi and Richard Harrington interview and they raise some valid points, while they also said some things that didn't make much sense. I'm not saying they were out to "get" Apple, but they were obviously pissed and that emotion was clouding some of the things they said, stuff like "How do I make a backup of this app if I don't have internet?"
You copy it. It's a single app, without install, which you can copy and copy back. Same as every single App Store download.
Also "how do I download it if I'm in Europe and Apple checks for my IP address for the US App Store?"
Apple doesn't check IP addresses neither in App Store nor in iTunes Store. Apple checks credit card info only. That's why you can't purchase from the, let's say, France iTunes store with a US credit card. Not because it checks for your IP. I have a US iTunes store account and I have purchased music from it from a variety of countries. Same with App Store.
But that wasn't really about the app itself, that was stuff which, possibly, confused them because their fears were just based on confusion.
Now the things they say about the app itself, obviously, don't have anything against it.
In the end they said "all the rumors were true", so I think I wasn't as shocked as others, because I believed those rumors. They were coming from people who were shown this app, and people who used it as beta. They weren't really rumors. They were NDA covered insights. And they all said the same thing, not gonna be ready for prime time on day 1.
And Biscardi and Harrington were really annoyed that they can't install this on day one on all their machines and make the switch. They really must have disregarded all the rumors if they hoped for that.
I do disagree on some of the things Biscardi said though. Stuff like "whoever decided that this wasn't necessary in an NLE"
My guess would be nobody decided that. I see this product as unfinished. And anything they couldn't get in in time isn't necessarily scrapped off the roadmap. I don't think they "decided" to not include FCP 7 import.
I bet Apple knew they were gonna lose some customers over this release. They must have known, I mean they can't be that blind into an industry's needs.
But just because they lose some customers now doesn't mean those customers won't be back if in the future this thing becomes really good. So like OS X, some did switch during the 9 > X transition, but even more came back later.
Many of those pro's who will switch today, will keep an eye on this product, like they kept an eye on all the competitors while they kept using FCP over the last 12 years, and if and when this thing becomes suitable, they can switch again.
Apple has tons of cash, Apple won't get hurt if people leave and come back later since FCP isn't a big portion of their revenue. But Avid can't for example. This is a risk Apple can take, and they just took it.
One thing Harrington said was right on the spot. He said Apple has all this cash, why not create two separate teams for the Final Cut group, where one team develops this and the other works on the old release, to maintain it during this transition. That made sense to me.
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Please tell me though that these app store 'updates' that add the 'Pro' functionality to Final Cut Pro, will be free. If not, you tell Apple I'm coming for 'em and H*lls coming with me... H*LL's coming with me!!
Some will be free and some won't be. Anything that comes as a point update will be free, obviously, and anything that comes in new versions won't be, unless Apple does what they did with 10.0 to 10.1 on OS X, which was free for 10.0 users.
Please tell me though that these app store 'updates' that add the 'Pro' functionality to Final Cut Pro, will be free. If not, you tell Apple I'm coming for 'em and H*lls coming with me... H*LL's coming with me!!
I'd assume most comes via software update once you've bought it. Apple knows they've upset people with this one, they won't come in a couple months and demand $$ from early adopters for a X.1 version that includes the features everyone assumed a pro app would have.
Folks, it's not version 1.0 !
This replaces the current FCP release - which had support dropped the moment that FCP 10 was released.
It's not a version 1 product - for FCP users it's the next release. But, it seems to be inadequate for the task for many professionals.
Had Apple pitched it as a new product, and continued support for the existing FCP product for the year or two until it reaches feature parity, many would be more comfortable. (But, in truth, first Apple needs to commit to feature parity now! There are lots of comments here that "updates are coming" - but is Apple on record as committing to fix the omissions?)
This replaces the current FCP release - which had support dropped the moment that FCP 10 was released.
It's not a version 1 product - for FCP users it's the next release. But, it seems to be inadequate for the task for many professionals.
Had Apple pitched it as a new product, and continued support for the existing FCP product for the year or two until it reaches feature parity, many would be more comfortable. (But, in truth, first Apple needs to commit to feature parity now! There are lots of comments here that "updates are coming" - but is Apple on record as committing to fix the omissions?)
Pogue at NYT is reporting that Apple has promised to fix some of this stuff. Presumably he heard it from the horse's mouth.
Link to the press release at apple.com, or it never happened.
Pogue is a remote mouthpiece for pr@apple.com - does anyone really believe him?
I would totally agree with you IF Apple continued to sell FCP 7 / FCS alongside FCP X.
However they haven't.
If you are a broadcaster building a new facility needing 10s or 100s of edits, or upgrading existing facilities (say transitioning from an SD tape or SD standalone Avid set-up to HD), what do you do today?
You can't use FCPX - it's a v1.0 product and doesn't support basic workflow that broadcast clients need for the product to work. You can't buy FCP 7 / FCS any more.
Are you supposed to stop work on your new facilities until Apple and the 3rd parties make FCP X work in the environments that FCP 7 / FCS currently work fine? Are you supposed to start scouring eBay for FCP 7 / FCS?
Seriously?
One man band, web producers and small scale post operations already running FCP 7 / FCS will be fine, they can just carry on as now. They're obviously who Apple have decided they're marketing to.
Most broadcasters will be seriously thinking about switching (often switching BACK) to Avid or moving to Adobe or similar.
Apple will HAVE to bring FCP 7 / FCS back to the market place if they don't want to lose a lot of the new build / upgrade broadcast and large-scale post production installations.
Pulling FCP 7 / FCS is crazy. More than anything it just says "Apple aren't interested in the broadcast and high-end post market". If that's the case, fine, they'll move elsewhere, but they need to be open about it.
Not because it's newer but probably because it uses the same events system FCP X does.
Link to the press release at apple.com, or it never happened.
Pogue is a remote mouthpiece for pr@apple.com - does anyone really believe him?
That's all I'm saying though - that if Pogue says Apple is going to do it, it's because someone at Apple told him.
I agree with you. But equally I think Apple have the right to innovate and to release any product they like that they think they have consumers for. I'm sure there is a market for FCP X. People shooting video great, artistic, video on their DSLRs, creating lovely short films etc. I'm sure the FCP X workflow will be great for them, the low price point will make it a compelling purchase. If I were a student film maker I'd be really pleased with it. I'm not dissing the product itself - I don't think that gets us anywhere.
My issue is the totally unprofessional way they're handling the situation.
At the moment FCP X is not a straight replacment for FCP 7 / FCS. But Apple are treating their customers as if it is. That's where they've messed up.
To pull FCP 7 / FCS is just crazy. Mad. Ridiculous. It also demonstrates a total lack of understanding of the broadcast and post-production market.
You simply can't behave like this if you want to work in this market segment. You can't abandon customers like this and expect to be trusted in future.
I'm sure broadcasters transitioning to FCP are seriously questioning whether they've backed the right horse, and are looking for Plan Bs as we speak.
Of course this is all in the hope that Apple will address some of the glaring issues in FCP X over time. I've got a very nasty feeling about some of them - particularly broadcast quality SDI/HD-SDI out during editing. Not being able to see your material in its native broadcast format on a native broadcast monitor during your editing is simply ridiculous. The Kona desktop mirroring is not a suitable option - it's not broadcast quality, and interlaced content is not displayed interlaced.
I think FCP X will gain more professionals than before. By professionals I mean people who make money out of this. It'll lose some of the more specialized people like in studio broadcast and commercial, but if Apple keeps investing on this, eventually it'll get all the missing features back and then those people may or may not get back on board. We'll have to wait and see.
About the price, it's only cheaper for first time buyers, and around the same for upgraders. So for people who have already been using FCP, it's not cheaper, unless they were not using volume licensing and buying several copies.
But like you said, Apple messed this up due to removing FCP 7 and Server immediately and not giving out a roadmap.
...without accountability...
And if Apple doesn't do it, all we have is a column from the puppet at NYT saying "blah, blah, blah".
ps: for what it's worth, I mostly ignore anything that Thurrott says as well.
And if Apple doesn't do it, all we have is a column from the puppet at NYT saying "blah, blah, blah".
ps: for what it's worth, I mostly ignore anything that Thurrott says as well.
The thing is though, basically everything that's been rumored about FCP X has came true upon release. So I'll keep listening to all the rumors about the future of this app, as long as it comes from the same people.
Gruber doesn't get it, either.
The bottom line: Contrary to what they promised, Apple no longer sells a pro video application, and there is no info as to whether they intend to do so in the future.
Why doesn't Gruber get it when he says precisely the same thing as you just said?
Then again, there's the same confusion in your post. A pro application for most people is an app suitable enough for their needs to get their job done, a job which they make their money on. There are many professionals who use FCP, and for many of them this release will work. And for many others it won't.
IMO, this is exactly what Apple is saying. I don't think they are going to add back all the missing features that high end professionals need, because that's not who they are catering to anymore.
Overall, it's probably a good business decision on Apples part, the prosumer, youtube video, at home hobbyist market is much bigger than the broadcast professional market.
BUT...Apple could have let us know this was the direction they were headed toward a few years ago! Then we could have all moved on to a more modern, professional 64 bit platform instead of waiting around for this pile of ******.
Dick move Apple...dick move.