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Wait, a device that big and only gets 12 fps faster than the little iPhone? Must be some pretty terrible engineering in that phablet for it to perform so poorly... :D

Well... The new Sony Xperia Z same benchmark - 60 fps. Any ideas beside of size? :D
 
Pretty crazy because iPhone 5 was already considered fast.

Seems like their graph is right, and they're following Moore's law nicely.
 
They're thinking the same as when they priced the iPad mini at £269 when it should really have been closer to £150. The fact is, Apple is a premium brand and their products are still premium. You're paying for quality. It's clear the 5C isn't a 'cheap' iPhone, it's an iPhone in which you can choose from a range of pretty colours. But fundamentally that's what it is...an iPhone.

Not necessarily paying for quality. We're paying for after-sales service.

I've had two iPhone 5 replacements, on one the home button failed, and my first model the wifi chip died after a month.

The 5C should've, at most, been priced at £399 unsubsidised, and they really ought to have cut the 4S adrift to get everyone on to the 4 inch screen. I can't understand their logic behind this.

Who's going to want a two-year-old phone on a two year contract when you've just spent the better part of an hour telling them how crappy it is compared to the new models?

I honestly think they've taken a massive ****** with their pants on.
 
Sure. It's real shame for Apple when their competitor's 32-bit device so easilly outperform "the only 64-bit smartphone in the world" :D

Has nothing to do with GPU.

And a 6" phablet with double the battery size outperforms a 4" phone? Call the President!

Well... The new Sony Xperia Z same benchmark - 60 fps. Any ideas beside of size? :D

Xperia Ultra Z is also a phablet. Actual phones like the LG G2 and Galaxy S4 score 54 or lower.
 
Not very impressive. My nexus 7 2013 with an underclocked snapdragon 600 outperforms that even onscreen where it has to push 1920x1200. The snapdragon 800 in the note 3 and nexus 5 demolishes this.

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I think they are gauging reaction to the pricing.

I've heard from a journalist that Apple is planning to be very flexible in the weeks ahead with the 5c unsubsidized pricing.

Where did you hear this?
 
Not very impressive. My nexus 7 2013 with an underclocked snapdragon 600 outperforms that even onscreen where it has to push 1920x1200.

No, it doesn't. Your image shows 51 FPS for onscreen. The offscreen is 65 FPS. But it's also a tablet. You want to compare it to the A7X in a couple months that will likely have double or more the FLOPs performance of the A7?

The snapdragon 800 in the note 3 and nexus 5 demolishes this.

Not really. Current benches show it around 68 FPS. Adreno 330 has double the ALU resources of 320, but that doesn't necessarily translate to graphics improvements, as seen in this case. Snapdragon 800 is targeted at phablets for now, which have higher thermal/power profiles. This shouldn't be surprising.
 
Nice to see Apple continuing to have the best GPU in their phones.

Not really, the adreno 320 puts down similar numbers and the adreno 330 in the snapdragon 800 demolishes this. My nexus 7 pulls the same on screen numbers at 1920x1200 that the iphone 5s pulls at 1135x640. It beats it in the 1080p offscreen test. The nexus 5 is coming out with the snapdragon 800 and adreno 330 sometime in the next month or so.

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Where did you hear this?

I wrote an Apple journalist from one of the big Apple sites and said they should write a piece on the fall out from the 5c unsubsidized pricing (how everyone thinks it's way too high).

They wrote back that their sources said that Apple was planning on being flexible over 5c pricing over the next days/weeks depending on feedback/pre-order.

I'm not going to name the site/journalist because they wrote me specifically.

Only telling you what was passed on to me. And it's not a no-name site.
 
No, it doesn't. Your image shows 51 FPS for onscreen. The offscreen is 65 FPS. But it's also a tablet. You want to compare it to the A7X in a couple months that will likely have double or more the FLOPs performance of the A7?



Not really. Current benches show it around 68 FPS. Adreno 330 has double the ALU resources of 320, but that doesn't necessarily translate to graphics improvements, as seen in this case. Snapdragon 800 is targeted at phablets for now, which have higher thermal/power profiles. This shouldn't be surprising.

Yeah 51fps at 1920x1200. If I ran it at 1136x640 it would be even higher. The snapdragon 600 is in several phones as well. So the comparison is valid. Its actually clocked higher in the galaxy s4 and htc one than in the nexus 7.
 
Absolutely would like to know that also, sounds like rubbish to me.

Not rubbish. Take it for what it is. Can believe me or not. Doesn't matter to me. I believe this person wholeheartedly.

Hopefully they do a piece on it and then you can read about it yourself.
 
Not really, the adreno 320 puts down similar numbers and the adreno 330 in the snapdragon 800 demolishes this. My nexus 7 pulls the same on screen numbers at 1920x1200 that the iphone 5s pulls at 1135x640. It beats it in the 1080p offscreen test. The nexus 5 is coming out with the snapdragon 800 and adreno 330 sometime in the next month or so.

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Try comparing tablets to the A7X.

And try not to rely on unreleased phone benchmarks. Maybe like the Nexus 4, the Nexus 5 will need to be used in a freezer in order to get its best possible graphics performance :)
 
Yeah 51fps at 1920x1200. If I ran it at 1136x640 it would be even higher. The snapdragon 600 is in several phones as well. So the comparison is valid. Its actually clocked higher in the galaxy s4 and htc one than in the nexus 7.

Why would you compare raw GPU performance with specific resolution numbers? Doesn't make any sense.

And no, it wouldn't be higher at 1136x640 because it would be limited by Vsync. That's why using the onscreen numbers is pretty much useless.

Yeah, and those snapdragon 600 phones are behind the 56 FPS number shown.
 
Yeah, that's great and all, but £469 for the 5C?! what the hell are you thinking Apple?!

It's not a cheap iPhone, it's just a colorful one.

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Seriously? I haven't had any problems where I am. Takes 3 seconds for it to set up. Maybe it's your network. Or could be the way you're wording the command or question. I just say, set timer for XX minutes and it's set.

Or, just open the app and set it manually if you have bad reception...? Not the phones fault the carrier has bad reception, although maybe apple should consider local commands that don't query the internet
 
Why would you compare raw GPU performance with specific resolution numbers? Doesn't make any sense.

And no, it wouldn't be higher at 1136x640 because it would be limited by Vsync. That's why using the onscreen numbers is pretty much useless.

Yeah, and those snapdragon 600 phones are behind the 56 FPS number shown.
Look at the offscreen numbers. Also if you are comparing the benchmarks on anandtech he has not reran the benchmarks on android 4.3 which has open gl 3. He needs to repost the number of the google play galaxy s4 on 4.3. He also still posts the numbers from the nexus 10 on the initial build of chrome which wasn't optimized for cortex a15. The next versions more than doubled the performance. He lists 1300ms sunspider, when the nexus 10 really gets 500-600 ms with the chrome update.

Also the iphone in the screenshots is running an old version of glbenchmark. The latest version is 2.71 vs 2.5 in the screenshot.

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Try comparing tablets to the A7X.

And try not to rely on unreleased phone benchmarks. Maybe like the Nexus 4, the Nexus 5 will need to be used in a freezer in order to get its best possible graphics performance :)

I don't see an ipad mini with a a6x or a7x. Not even one with an a6.
 
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It's not a cheap iPhone, it's just a colorful one.

Clearly it's not cheap. Their product strategy is all over the place.

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Not rubbish. Take it for what it is. Can believe me or not. Doesn't matter to me. I believe this person wholeheartedly.

Hopefully they do a piece on it and then you can read about it yourself.

Hopefully, though I wouldn't bet on it. For Apple to do such a high-profile climb down weeks after a device launch would be embarrassing and show a total lack of leadership or conviction. If they do change the price between now and launch, expect them to get slaughtered for it.
 
I would care if there games to play that took advantage of the power and weren't on-rails
 
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