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Makes me wonder if the Nexus 5 will get the Snapdragon 800 but not the Adreno 330 because of heat dissipation issues with a smaller chassis.

Either way, it looks like it's just a leapfrog game now. Apple is now competing with Qualcomm in performance. Qualcomm has come a long way.

The 800 only comes with the 330. They'll downclock it, if anything.

IMO opinion Apple has surpassed them with the A7.

John Gruber wrote, "Now that they’ve gone 64-bit, I’ve got to start wondering about ARM-based MacBooks in the near future." Can someone elaborate/explain for me? Thanks.

It means that the speed and compatibility of the 64 bit processor is such that it is starting to become a viable candidate for laptops, given iOS and OSX share a codebase.
 
Makes sense.



A7 is faster than Snapdragon 600/320 but not Snapdragon 800/330.

I'm not just talking from a GPU perspective. I'm talking from a CPU perspective. Qualcomm hasn't even announced a 64 bit part yet.

As for GPU, match them on a perf/watt scale. I bet anything Rogue is superior to Adreno 3xx.
 
I'm not just talking from a GPU perspective. I'm talking from a CPU perspective. Qualcomm hasn't even announced a 64 bit part yet.

As for GPU, match them on a perf/watt scale. I bet anything Rogue is superior to Adreno 3xx.

http://blog.gsmarena.com/the-first-benchmarks-scores-of-samsung-galaxy-note-3-are-in/


I have seriously doubs that the a7 will surpass the snapdragon 800 in performance per watt. The snapdragon 800 is a huge leap forward in that department. Also the whole 64bit thing really means nothing. Intel Medfield and clovertrail are already both 64bit and power both phones and tablets. The only real benefit 64bit would have is to be able to address over 4gb of ram in a single thread. As it stands, there's no real use case for that in mobile, especially since browser tabs all run in their own process. Arm v7 already supports addressing up to 1tb of ram already. Its just limited to 4gb per process. Just look at games like crysis. They are all still 32bit binaries.
 
Even if any app is 64-bit optimized there's little to absolutely no advantage in terms of performance. 64-bit right now is nothing but a shot at the future.

Agreed. But if I end up with one (I'm buying one for a friend, but may hold out one more time for a larger screen for my own, "Iveian ergonomics" be damned), happy to know I'm a bit future-proofed in terms of the next few iterations of iOS and apps to come.

I.e., with 64 bit capability this iPhone will still be a) doing things it won't during its first year, b) doing yeoman duty in handling what iOS 8 and 9 offer, and so c) will not be fully obselesced when it becomes the "free one" in two years....

...Also, as others have pointed out since it was announced, Apple may well have designs on using its own processors in at least an entry level of notebooks or hybrid devices within one or two more SoC revs, and so having all of their hardware on 64 bit will simply make tech and engineering sense and increase the synergy between OS X and iOS (assuming they remain separate but highly parallel OSes).
 
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I have seriously doubs that the a7 will surpass the snapdragon 800 in performance per watt. The snapdragon 800 is a huge leap forward in that department.

Not really. It's a modest bump in IPC from around 3.3 to 3.4 DMIPs/MHz.

Also the whole 64bit thing really means nothing. Intel Medfield and clovertrail are already both 64bit and power both phones and tablets. The only real benefit 64bit would have is to be able to address over 4gb of ram in a single thread. As it stands, there's no real use case for that in mobile, especially since browser tabs all run in their own process. Arm v7 already supports addressing up to 1tb of ram already. Its just limited to 4gb per process. Just look at games like crysis. They are all still 32bit binaries.

The significance of 64 bit has nothing to do with the amount of RAM that can be addressed. Along with it, the number of registers has doubled, it can address new, more powerful instructions that Apple has likely already coded to, and Apple has likely doubled the L2 cache as well. It's also a pretty safe bet the execution/dispatch paths have widened too. There's about a 16% IPC jump from Cortex A15 to A57, and that's probably a general guide for their performance jump too. It's not a small jump. Apple also typically has faster and/or wider memory interfaces compared to everyone else. Apple backups their 2x speedup claims with actual scenarios.
 
so does this mean my calls are faster ?

im so "meh" about a performance boost in graphics, id have been more impressed if they had said they had doubled the battery life
 
Can't wait till a version of this shows up in the next iPad.

For sure in the iPad 5 refresh but in this case, Apple might just make a refresh for the Mini using this A7 chip, more RAM and beef up that NAND flash. Letting the screen alone so it can destroy all smaller tablets in the benchmarks. This give some incentive for mini users to upgrade ...:rolleyes:
 
Are some or you guys actually trying to say the A7 is more powerful than the Snapdragon 800... Fanboyism at its finest.

The 800 blows the A7 away, sorry its a fact. A7 is a good chip but its outdated before release like everything in the 5S and stupid me I've decided to still get it, I sold my 5. I'm one of those guys who's got to have the best iOS phone and android phone so incoming G2 after the great reviews and incoming the 5S. Best of both worlds.
 
Are some or you guys actually trying to say the A7 is more powerful than the Snapdragon 800... Fanboyism at its finest.

The 800 blows the A7 away, sorry its a fact. A7 is a good chip but its outdated before release like everything in the 5S and stupid me I've decided to still get it, I sold my 5. I'm one of those guys who's got to have the best iOS phone and android phone so incoming G2 after the great reviews and incoming the 5S. Best of both worlds.

You've not seen any benchmarks and consequently have no idea what you're talking about.
 
And once Apple releases that larger smartphone that is a pain to pull out of pockets, a pain to use with one hand and generally clunky to use, they will feel compelled to release a smart watch that does basically nothing useful and only has 1 day battery life.

Oh wait...
The note 2 slide in and out of my pocket smoothly. I'm not sure what kind of pants you've been wearing. I'm not saying the next iphone should be as large as the note line, but something in the range of 4.65-5" wouldn't hurt. A lot of people, myself included, are waiting for this one feature. In fact, I would be more than happy to buy a bigger screen iPhone with a 5 spec right now :(
 
Wrong. The A7 CPU has 31 general purpose registers instead of 15, 32 128-bit vector registers instead of 16, and can perform double precision floating-point arithmetic on vectors, which previous CPUs can't do. That will make most code a lot more efficient.

Which none of has anything to do with being 64-bit.
 
Am I the only one who doesn't experience these exaggerations in real life? I swear, I'm starting to think my iPhone and iPads are special or something....it doesn't take Siri nearly as long as others lead me to believe.

Accuracy is what I'd like to see improved.

Same here, slow answering times are killing me. I love Siri and use it more and more, but sometimes setting a timer takes 5 to 8 seconds. It must be because of the poor internet connection here. So my hopes are some day Siri would be able to act independently from the internet at least for the easy tasks.

Oh and please a slider to speed her talking up for 10 to 20% would be nice. Sometimes you read the reply but she is talking and talking slowly... :)
 
Nope as far as known for arm 64 bit it is faster.
It is not like x86 cpus where already mmx and sse existed.

64 bit for arm means adding wider registers and that means optimized applications can calculate up to two times faster (depending on the calculations).

So you won't see a difference in eg loading data from the internet, but you would see a speedup in eg image recognition code wich is highly mathematical

Nope, SIMD instructions are done in the 128-bit registers.
 
Would it be embarrassing?

Remember this letter?

"First, I am sure that we are making the correct decision to lower the price of the 8GB iPhone from $599 to $399, and that now is the right time to do it. iPhone is a breakthrough product, and we have the chance to 'go for it' this holiday season. iPhone is so far ahead of the competition, and now it will be affordable by even more customers. It benefits both Apple and every iPhone user to get as many new customers as possible in the iPhone 'tent'. We strongly believe the $399 price will help us do just that this holiday season." - Steve Jobs

Now replace that with the 5c and with Tim Cook saying it.

Right now Cook is looking like he's leaderless. And Jobs did that exactly for the reason they should have priced it lower..to get more customers into the Apple tent/eco-system.

Almost none of that holds true anymore. The iPhone is not ahead of the competition at all, either technically or in terms of market share. People aren't stupid, the 5C is a year old phone with a plastic shell on it.

Additionally, Jobs had the added buffer of a decade doing nothing but great work bringing Apple back from the edge of bankruptcy. There is no such saving grace as far as Cook is concerned.
 
64bit also means moving around more data than necessary, therefore increasing resource utilization in certain areas of the architecture. In general, for application like gaming, there won't be any benefits to 64bit processing. I doubt there is a practical need on any smartphone platform right now - really can't see an app that will significantly benefit from 64bit processing.

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I think Apple should focus on refining iOS rather than pumping out new hardware. But then again, iOS doesn't make Apple any money.

No not necessarily. 64 bit also allows to use 32 bit. I don't know the technical details here. But in most situations 64bit is at least as fast as 32 bit. For mathematical stuff 64 bit is always faster if your code is using 64 bit as it should
 
The note 2 slide in and out of my pocket smoothly. I'm not sure what kind of pants you've been wearing. I'm not saying the next iphone should be as large as the note line, but something in the range of 4.65-5" wouldn't hurt. A lot of people, myself included, are waiting for this one feature. In fact, I would be more than happy to buy a bigger screen iPhone with a 5 spec right now :(

Don't bother, people like that won't see reason until apple launches a bigger iphone, then all the "one-handed" and "pocket" problems will vanish.

By some responses some people here think a note is the size of an ipad mini.:rolleyes:
 
No, they don't. What they need to do is keep the iPhone small enough to be comfortable for one handed use and a comfortable fit in small pockets.

If you suffer from phablet envy, they already have a solution for you:
http://www.apple.com/ipad-mini/overview/
Just add Skype.

i'm sorry you have small hands and stature. As technology marches on for the rest of us and we get slightly larger screens for normal sized hands, they already have a solution for you:

http://www.apple.com/ipod-touch/
Just add Skype. (and see how much like a real phone your "solution" is). :D
 
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