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Not to bad an update, but not really what I was hoping to see when i really think about it.

The none upgradable RAM and HDD/SSD in the retina machine upsets me a little bit and it will probably keep me from buying that machine even though I really want the Retina resolution display.

I am running on an Early 08 MBP that i have maxed out on RAM and put an SSD into. I was really going to get a new machine 6 months ago but decided to put an SSD in the machine. That was the best thing i ever did and will probably get me another year or two out of this machine.

The new case design, ports and lack of ODD are fine with me, but the fact the pro user can not upgrade anything in the machine after having bought it annoys me to no end.
Same here.

They should not have named it PRO. Because a PRO wants flexibility, upgradeability and more connectors (I also still need an ODD at work, an external drive for that annoys me to no end). A thinner form-factor is great, but that´s not what this is all about. A retina Macbook Pro with the old form-factor would have been a better choice IMHO. And I don´t care about that tiny bit more weight, or else I would just get a Macbook Air and be done with it.

The Macbook Pro Retina feels like a Macbook Air Retina to me, not PRO at all.
 
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Same here. They should not have named it PRO. Because a PRO wants flexibility, upgradeability and more connectors (I still need an ODD at work). A thinner form-factor is great, but that´s not what this is all about. A retina Macbook Pro with the old form-facor would have been a better choice IMHO. And I don´t care about a but more weight, or else I would just get a Macbook Air and be done with it.

The Macbook Pro Retina feels like a Macbook Air Retina to me, not PRO at all.

If one uses their MBP/RBP for "Pro" things (CS6 suite/FCP/etc) then they should be thinking about upgrading every 2/3 years anyway to keep up w/their industry. If you're making a living off of your computer, then $2.5k, even every 2 years, while very annoying, is an absolute drop in the bucket in terms of cost.

I'm complaining about the lack of upgradability as much as everyone else, but that doesn't keep it from being a Pro machine, especially if they have Photoshop/FCP actually taking advantage of the display from the get-go. Real concern is the RAM for me.
 
I think 99.9% of all people would prefer to have two USB ports instead of one (given the trade-off of a device that is weighs 50 g more). You are the first person I have come across that would have preferred one instead of two USB ports on a laptop.

What I actually meant, is that from what I remember of the video, the revised macbooks showed a USB2 and a USB3 port side-by-side each other.

Since USB3.0 ports evidently have no trouble supporting devices built for USB2.0 ports, why not just include 2 USB3.0 ports, instead of one of each? That's what I meant - with USB3.0, why bother going back to 2.0 ever? :confused:

In addition, I seem to recall that in the case of the MBA, both ports were on opposite sides of the laptop. Since when were they beside each other? Won't that make plugging in of multiple devices troublesome as they might get in the way of each other?

Again, I could be very wrong here. :p

Can someone tell me why we all have the impression that the RAM/SSD is not upgradable, other than guessing from the video of the keynote? Are there any other current Mac products where the RAM is "soldered" in? (I really don't know.)

There's a difference between being inconvenient and being impossible.

The macbook airs have their ram soldered on as a space-saving measure (the drawback is that it is nigh-impossible to upgrade or replace them yourself). It is not unreasonable to expect that they would use a similar method to save space on the new MBP.

You *might* be able to upgrade the SSD yourself, but from my understanding, the MBA (and possibly the new MBP as well) was never designed to be opened up by the ordinary layman, so that might prove to be much more trouble than it is worth.

The fact that this effectively forces you to purchase ram directly from apple at inflated prices is probably another consideration. Otherwise, there would be little incentive when extra ram/SSD is readily is available online at 1/2 the price Apple charges (or cheaper).
 
But a lot of Apple's customers are enthusiasts and not professionals, and there is no "Macbook Enthusiast" model. For an Enthusiast, the cost is certainly not a drop in the ocean and the complaints about expandability are valid.....
 
And neither of you is wrong to point out that you couldn't see much of a difference.

For some of us, though, the difference is gargantuan. I personally could never go back to an iPad 2 or original iPad after using the 2048x1536 iPad. Text is so sharp, and that, for me, is the biggest difference.

I DID say the text was noticeably improved, and that's why I justified the upgrade from the 2. I care less about image quality since I don't use my iPad for photos, and the few games that I like to play aren't significantly better.

I don't regret my purchase, but for an average user it's not a dealbreaker. The 2 will do well for another year at least until the next update.
 
What I actually meant, is that from what I remember of the video, the revised macbooks showed a USB2 and a USB3 port side-by-side each other.

Since USB3.0 ports evidently have no trouble supporting devices built for USB2.0 ports, why not just include 2 USB3.0 ports, instead of one of each? That's what I meant - with USB3.0, why bother going back to 2.0 ever? :confused:

Apple's specifications say both ports are USB 3.0.
 
What I actually meant, is that from what I remember of the video, the revised macbooks showed a USB2 and a USB3 port side-by-side each other.

Since USB3.0 ports evidently have no trouble supporting devices built for USB2.0 ports, why not just include 2 USB3.0 ports, instead of one of each? That's what I meant - with USB3.0, why bother going back to 2.0 ever? :confused:
All USB ports on all the new MBs are USB 3 ports.
 
Perfect timing! My Macbook (my sole computer) just turned 6, and I'm going back to school! Nice that they made the education discount on this computer $200, over the $100 for the other notebooks.

One thing I'm unclear about is how they say software companies will need to update the software so it is good for retina. If I'm using a retina screen with software that is not configured... Will it looks WORSE than the same software on a standard display? Or is the worst case scenario that it will looks the same... Anyone care to explain?

Thanks
 
Do you think it's worth upgrading from a 17"mbp? Lose 2 inches on the screen but gain the increased resolution. My 17" I find it difficult to read occasionaly with the native res do you think that would be a non-issue with the Retina resolution? thanks
 
Do you think it's worth upgrading from a 17"mbp? Lose 2 inches on the screen but gain the increased resolution. My 17" I find it difficult to read occasionaly with the native res do you think that would be a non-issue with the Retina resolution? thanks

The fonts will be larger yes, but you loose screen real estate at its native resolution - a LOT of screen resolution.
 
Definitely content with my current 13" MBP. While the retina display and slightly more compact design adds some nice eye candy, it also pumps up the price. A price I simply cannot afford.
 
Do you think it's worth upgrading from a 17"mbp? Lose 2 inches on the screen but gain the increased resolution. My 17" I find it difficult to read occasionaly with the native res do you think that would be a non-issue with the Retina resolution? thanks

I face this issue myself, as I usually sell my 17s here in the UK and buy the new ones in the US between 1-2 years on to stay upgraded cheaply. But i edit and work with video and I don't see how losing the express slot and the space to see dual monitors in one window help me, even if its a nice looking laptop.

And the ram/hd issue is really irksome. I wonder what my 17 mbp 8.3 with applecare will be worth now vs half a year or year from now. Two thunderbolts and convenient form factor are the only pluses i can see
 
Perfect timing! My Macbook (my sole computer) just turned 6, and I'm going back to school! Nice that they made the education discount on this computer $200, over the $100 for the other notebooks.

One thing I'm unclear about is how they say software companies will need to update the software so it is good for retina. If I'm using a retina screen with software that is not configured... Will it looks WORSE than the same software on a standard display? Or is the worst case scenario that it will looks the same... Anyone care to explain?

Thanks

I'm wondering the same, as well as how Windows will look on it?
 
It looks like the base 8GB RAM is soldered in but I wonder when upgrading to 16GB if they use removable RAM for the additional 8GB...
 
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Do you think it's worth upgrading from a 17"mbp? Lose 2 inches on the screen but gain the increased resolution. My 17" I find it difficult to read occasionaly with the native res do you think that would be a non-issue with the Retina resolution? thanks

Depends how old your 17" mbp is. If its less then 2 years old I would stick with the 17"at least another year or two as long as it still fullfills your software performance needs. (which it should if its less then 2 years old).

If its 4 + years old then its definitely worth at least worht thinking about upgrading.

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It's their highest performing laptop yet.... They didn't mention it also being the highest priced too.

Ummm don't mean to sound snarky but don't you think their highest performing laptop would be there highest priced?

Not sure what the highest ever priced laptop has been in apples history but I'm sure other models have been just as expensive if not more.
 
It'll support 16G, but I don't see the 1600MHz DRAMs on Newegg yet. I think it's a fair bet it'll be there in the coming months.

Ok! Silly me. Hadn't thought about the change in RAM format also..
At least that implies that the RAM in the new non-retina mbp is upgradable :)
 
On a non-retina display every application will just behave like it always did, nothing changes. You can turn on the HiDPI mode for every display separately, just as you could change the resolution on every display separately since the beginning of time. (That is I think where your confusion comes from, not knowing that HiDPI mode can be switch on and off individually for each display.)

Thanks. Yeah, the last time I used a separate screen was one of the old glass buggers linked to a Powerbook (I’m going back a way here) but I’m now considering a Macbook Pro RDi with separate screen rather an iMac as my spare machine. That way I can unplug it and take it with me. As such, I’m not that au fait with the settings available on the Thunderbolt Display yet.

Much appreciated!
 
My two cents on all those complaining about upgradeability in the Retina Macbook Pro:

If you’re not making enough money doing what you’re doing to bin a 2K machine every year and buy a new one as part of your business plan (given that it’s way less than you’ll be paying for offices or maybe even electricity) then you’re not a Pro.

Or, if you are, you’re not a very good one.

Not that you will have to bin it, of course, because you’ll simply sell the old one on eBay and upgrade to the latest model at a total swap-cost of what..? $500-$600 dollars? C’mon... that per annum for a Pro Machine, generating $00,000’s in income - into which you can plug almost any peripheral known to man?

My guess is, you’re the people whose mothers had to work two shifts just so that you could be seen to be wearing the latest sneakers in the schoolyard.
 
I'll be honest, if it had come in 13" off the bat instead of 15", I would definitely get it. I suppose in time a 13" model will come along and some of the remaining features.. which I guess is just the retina display, will come to the Air too, but I think of the 13" retina pro was light enough, I'd jump back to the Pro side from the Air side just for the better graphics. In time. glad this is here.It shows where we are going over the next year, and I like it.
 
My heart says yes, but my mind says no.

Insert WALLET where MIND is.

YO! You know what?

Some of my relatives are rich. Guess what. They ain't getting one.
Having money doesn't mean necessarily that you need to buy the latest gadgets all the time.

It boils down to that your money will be gone once you buy it. How much residual money will it give you after 2 years?

Those who are wealthy didn't get rich by spending all the time.

I mean:
How many people could actually see the difference?

I can, but I'm 24 and my eyesight is clearly above average.

If you have an 15" HiRes or a 17" Unibody, don't waste your money! :eek:

I mean, the screen isn't worth it's whoppy 2000$ price tag.
They can offer a retina iPad at 470$, mind you.

I feel sorry for people who are never content in their lifes, and who're sort of updating every time a new iteration of MBPs is coming to the stores.
 
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