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Early Hands-On Impression and Overview of Retina MacBook Pro

pacalis said:
Most actual "professionals" tend to work between applications, like word and excel. The MBP's overshoot on processing, but the MBA's undershoot on display quality for this HUGE need.

For some reason most computer companies, and especially apple, seem to think that people are either watching movies (letterbox shape) or modeling 3d protein structures (heavy processing and video), when the reality is that real "pros" don't have their needs met by any of the ipad, MBA or MBP.

That's why the disappointment today - most people don't want to spend $2200 supercomputer, 4x the price of a PC now, but they're willing to spend $1200 on decent computer a premium display, $1500-1800 premium if it's light and beautiful.
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even though I partially agree with you, you tracked off your original point, ie what is a pro user and the amount of on the go processing power, if one should ever need it, not what kind of desktop machine would he/she buy instead of the rmbp.
 
bartzumbari said:
Just seems to me that they should put some engineering effort into figuring out how to fit both replaceable RAM and flash drives into that thinner design.
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That's the thing - one key way to make things thinner is to solder everything onto the board and make it "no user servicable parts inside". When you're trying to be 1mm thinner than the competition, extra clearance for sockets, as well as the extra fittings and reinforcement needed to let the end-user open the case without damaging stuff could become very significant. There are also cooling issues if you let people install third-party internals into something that cramped.

Then there's the question of what proportion of laptop customers do actually upgrade their HD or RAM during the lifetime of the product. I'm sure some do, but I bet its a minority.

Apple aren't a charity - if making a laptop ultra-thin gains more customers than they'll lose my making it non-upgradeable, that's what they'll do.

It'll be interesting to see how the "classic" MacBook Pros continue to sell, especially if the price of the "new Pro" comes down.

Its a pity the 17" has gone though - having said that, I bought one last year so I'm not going to be buying a new one for a few years... As they dropped it it was probably because it wasn't paying its way.

Maybe, though, Apple should think about building at least one tinkerer-oriented model.
 
seriously....

I just read through the entire thread...

Please, no more questions regarding the below:

1) The RAM/SSD is soldered, its NOT upgradeable. The SSD "Might be" if OWC or someone releases an upgrade kit like for the MBA. But for now, its not.

2) It doesnt have Ethernet or FW, but TB can handle them.

3) If you do any semi serious audio work, you would need an Audio Interface anyway...

4) The retina display is scaleable, its not just on 1440.

Thanks
 
Kaiser Phoenix said:
I just read through the entire thread...

Please, no more questions regarding the below:

1) The RAM/SSD is soldered, its NOT upgradeable. The SSD "Might be" if OWC or someone releases an upgrade kit like for the MBA. But for now, its not.

2) It doesnt have Ethernet or FW, but TB can handle them.

3) If you do any semi serious audio work, you would need an Audio Interface anyway...

4) The retina display is scaleable, its not just on 1440.

Thanks
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There is one thing not clarified.

Will it support/handle two TB displays?
 
Kaiser Phoenix said:
4) The retina display is scaleable, its not just on 1440.
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Great, but unless you use the default size you are not getting the retina benefit. Also you are not using the panel's native resolution and quality will suffer compared to an equivalent non-retina screen of the same resolution. Whether that's acceptable or not will be subjective but IMO if you don't think 1440x900 equivalent is big enough on a 15", this new MBP is probably not for you.
 
Is it gonna run hot and are fans likely to spin like crazy when watching flash content or vids on the internet? If yes, I'm most def not sold. My ole' MBP 17 Unibody 2.9 SSD 4GBRAM is overheating like crazy.

Take care of your wallets, folks ;)

And don't forget: In Soviet Russia, MBP Owns You!
 
Quite frankly this has me boiling with rage, but also somewhat relieved. How the **** could they just go ahead and ditch the CD/DVD drive?!?! FFS. Oh, and no more 17 inch display. Makes me happy that i bought mine when i did early last year with the brilliant operating system called Snow Leopard (what difference does the latest and greatest OS mean these days anyway with new releases once a year!).

And quite honestly for the extortionate price they sell these computers at, Apple should be including a stand alone optical drive FOR FREE! FFS ¬_¬
 
Lann said:
Quite frankly this has me boiling with rage, but also somewhat relieved. How the **** could they just go ahead and ditch the CD/DVD drive?!?! FFS. Oh, and no more 17 inch display. Makes me happy that i bought mine when i did early last year with the brilliant operating system called Snow Leopard (what difference does the latest and greatest OS mean these days anyway with new releases once a year!).

And quite honestly for the extortionate price they sell these computers at, Apple should be including a stand alone optical drive FOR FREE! FFS ¬_¬
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OK!

So go and get yourself an Acer or Asus instead :D
Have fun!
 
Hi everyone,
I'm a musician/dj, and in urgent need of a new laptop.
Hesitating between retina and non-retina 15 mbp...
The non-retina one is kinda more appealing to me because of the transitional connectivity, still present cd burner and upgradable storage.
The one thing that's holding me is the only 8Gb of RAM, compared to the double in the new design...
My (maybe dumb) question is : is 8gb the absolute max on this model, or is there a way to make this ram bigger?
Thanks in advance for the info :)
 
benjo765 said:
If Apple's new glossy is really 75% less reflective like they claim, then what on earth is matte even needed for?
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The *NEW* glossy screen is only available on the Retina MBP, the non-retina's have the same glossy screens as previous generations.

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Lann said:
Quite frankly this has me boiling with rage, but also somewhat relieved. How the **** could they just go ahead and ditch the CD/DVD drive?!?! FFS. Oh, and no more 17 inch display. Makes me happy that i bought mine when i did early last year with the brilliant operating system called Snow Leopard (what difference does the latest and greatest OS mean these days anyway with new releases once a year!).

And quite honestly for the extortionate price they sell these computers at, Apple should be including a stand alone optical drive FOR FREE! FFS ¬_¬
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Or maybe, just maybe there was a problem with the Retina 17" screens and decided to hold off on any updates to the 17" line until that was worked out...

It would have looked pretty silly to have Retina available in an upgraded 15" MBP only and not have the option in a 17" if it were upgraded at the same time - yes, no?

I can imagine the furious rants now...
 
I think this new computer looks great!

If i analyse my own computer behavior
* I rarely use cd's in my imac
* I rarely plug something else in but usb
* for work i use office alot, with heavy excel files
* in my free time i do freelance graphic designer so photoshopping and illustrator,... are a must
* i haven't used my ethernet for 4 years now
* at work we have both wifi and ethernet and my work laptop is constantly connected to the ethernet
So for me i think it suits my needs perfectly

If that's not pro for you, I don't care. The word pro is an empty marketing word from apple. Most definitions i see here are just opinions by some very arrogant people who think they can define pro, lol.
But i do know for sure not many pro people can hang around on forums and bitch about how others are not pro...lol
 
dvs1 said:
Hi everyone,
I'm a musician/dj, and in urgent need of a new laptop.
Hesitating between retina and non-retina 15 mbp...
The non-retina one is kinda more appealing to me because of the transitional connectivity, still present cd burner and upgradable storage.
The one thing that's holding me is the only 8Gb of RAM, compared to the double in the new design...
My (maybe dumb) question is : is 8gb the absolute max on this model, or is there a way to make this ram bigger?
Thanks in advance for the info :)
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Non-retina MacBook Pro supports 16GB of RAM. Buy it with 4GB, and buy upgrade to 16GB (2x8GB)
 
Forgive what may be a couple of daft questions, but that’s never stopped me in the past...

1/ Given that the new Macbook Pro RDi (that’s what I’m gonna call it, it stands for Retina Display Interface if you’re interested. No? OK then.) sports a resolution of 2880 x 1800 and Apps such as FCPX have been upgraded to make full use of it, how will that work when connecting to an external 27" thunderbolt display that only has a (slightly lower) resolution of 2560 x 1440? Will you get true 2560 x 1440 in things such as FCPX or will you get the half-scale (non-retina) version of FCPX sent out and then scaled back up to 2560 x 1440? I’m guessing it sends out what the display needs, so true 2560 x 1440, yes...?

2/ Are we likely, do you think, to see an upgrade to the 27" thunderbolt display that is either a) 2880 x 1800 or b) Retina (which would be approximately mental number of pixels x ridiculous number of pixels)?

Let the "Oh my is this kid stoopid" posts commence.

Thanks. :))
 
Sasoon said:
Non-retina MacBook Pro supports 16GB of RAM. Buy it with 4GB, and buy upgrade to 16GB (2x8GB)
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Thanks for the quick answer, no info about this on the mobile apple store app, like they don't want people to find out...
 
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