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The iWatch really looses a lot of appeal to me if it lacks a flexible/curved screen.

I never had a watch with a flexible/curved screen. Right now I have flat sapphire glass flush inside steel, which has worked just fine for me for 13 or 14 years.
 
nope. circles are not efficient information spaces.

Square shapes dig into your wrist. That's exactly what you want.

"Circles are not efficient information spaces" is nonsense. It's the area that counts for information; the diagonal is what makes it uncomfortable. Circular shape has a 57% larger area with the same diagonal.

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Apple better hurry this to market, the clock is ticking on this one.

That's what Samsung did, and the result was a disaster. A small disaster for Samsung, a big disaster for anyone buying it :rolleyes:
 
I'm sure I'll buy it but I prefer mechanical haute horlogerie on my wrist.
 
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here's an idea.

what if they partnered with a traditional swiss watch manufacturer?
 
Tim & Jony -- if you put this alleged iWatch on your wrist for the first time and it sucks, please bring the whole project to a screeching halt and go back to the drawing board if necessary. Steve had the courage to do this when he had to. I hope you do too.
 
Don't worry Apple, take your time. Get it right. Don't pull a Samsung. They will be watching.

Samsung will copy when it comes out anyway and say the made it first or Apple is trying to patent circles. It goes on and on until everybody's smart watch is like Apple's and they say it's a standard or it was clear technology was headed that direction
 
Blah, blah, and blah. If Apple didn't insist on pushing the design limits to places where nobody expects them to go, then I'm sure you'd be griping about how they are delivering boring products lacking in innovation. And nobody deliberately builds fewer products than they expect to sell.

I don't gripe, I love Apple. But I'm sick of these kind of stories. However, it is like others have said: putting "Apple" in the headline generates clicks. I know it isn't a unique story.

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First, because these types of issues are common the prototyping stage. That's one of the big reasons companies go through this exercise before going to production.

More importantly, though, Apple has numerous requirements that are much stricter than are typical. For example, the iPhone has ridiculously tight mechanical tolerances. That's why it feels so smooth when you slide your hand across the back, even though the back uses two different materials. Apple is also said to be extremely picky with color matching across different materials, etc. These requirements pose difficulties unique to each product, which are worked out during the prototyping and early manufacturing stages.

Yes, I agree with the stiff requirements. But it seems like this with EVERY product.
 
I'm really struggling to think of what a smart watch can do that isn't already done via smart phone/tablets?

iBeacon/close range Bluetooth for things like wireless payments is probably it's limit.
 
I'm really struggling to think of what a smart watch can do that isn't already done via smart phone/tablets?

That's like asking why people wanted a wristwatch when they already had pocket watches to choose from.

It's a lot about info access convenience without having to yank a phone out of a pocket.

(With my WIMM smartwatch, which didn't need a smartphone as a mothership, it was also about not having to remember to bring my phone with me at all. For example, in a doctor's waiting room, I could still read RSS feeds from Gizmodo, BGR et al on my watch since it had sync'd those the last time it was near WiFi.)
 
There is already a watch made with LiquidMetal...

I find this report inaccurate as Omega already makes a watch with a LiquidMetal bezel. If they can charge $6k for this Omega watch already, I'm sure whatever Apple is coming up with can be made using the same build process. Omega has a little more experience in building watches than Apple...

http://www.omegawatches.com/planet-omega/watchmaking/liquidmetal

That being said, we know Apple usually pushes manufacturing processes to the limit however I'm sure whatever watch device they are building can be built already. Therefore the issues must be deeper that the LiquidMetal component.

The current crop of smart watches are HORRIBLE, both ascetically and in feature set. It needs to be more classic looking with amazing connectiviety and functionality. If they do some funky sport fuel band type of watch no one will wear it anyhow and the entire project will be a waste...
 
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There are already watches that self-wind by the motion of the person wearing them. I know a smart watch would need a lot more juice than that but if Apple came up with a self-charging watch or at least one that didn't need to be physically plugged into something, that would be great in itself. Rest it on a charging pad on your nightstand and it's ready to go the next day.

Yes, I know all about the self winding Swiss movements and you can already buy an automatic Swiss smart watch, but it looks ugly IMO, and then their's the price. Solar power IMO is the way forward and will allow a reasonable cost, but that doesn't fit with Apple's business model of upgrading, then again the new Mac Pro could be argued as not following that business model either.

The idea of resting it on a charging pad is exactly what the Toq does, it comes with it's own wireless charging stand. Also the Toq represents what a smart watch should be, which is an extension of your phone, not a full blown replacement that runs out of battery after a few hours!

I think Apple will look at the tech in the Toq and use it like the clever screen, but as to the features and power charging system who knows?

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I find this report inaccurate as Omega already makes a watch with a LiquidMetal bezel. If they can charge $6k for this Omega watch already, I'm sure whatever Apple is coming up with can be made using the same build process. Omega has a little more experience in building watches than Apple...

http://www.omegawatches.com/planet-omega/watchmaking/liquidmetal

That being said, we know Apple usually pushes manufacturing processes to the limit however I'm sure whatever watch device they are building can be built already. Therefore the issues must be deeper that the LiquidMetal component.

The current crop of smart watches are HORRIBLE, both ascetically and in feature set. It needs to be more classic looking with amazing connectiviety and functionality. If they do some funky sport fuel band type of watch no one will wear it anyhow and the entire project will be a waste...

You can't really compare Apple to Omega though, Omega is in the luxury watch market, Apple is in the consumer market, the way Omega use liquid metal will not match Apple's bottom line or mass production. Plus Omega only use liquid metal for it's timer rings on diver watches, not the entire case. It's only just launched it's first full ceramic watch.

Also, amazing connectivity and functionality will mean battery life of a few hours and an utterly useless device overall. Do you really need WiFi and a camera in a watch?
 
Same story ever time....

Why does Apple supposedly always have production issues. After 30 years of supply experience you would think they could handle it.

Then again, if they can launch a product with "heavy constraints" then they can build the hype.

At least other people who spout that asinine conspiracy theory about Apple purposefully constraining supply spout it after a product is launched. You have thrown out that theory before a product is launched.

Apple has unreal quality requirements. Impose those requirements with a new product and you have a recipe for production issues, and that is if Apple is even working on an iWatch. Producing products isn't as simple as just pressing a button.

Purposefully constraining supply doesn't do Apple any good. That's just going to lead to reduced sales.
 
I'm struggling to think what break-through tech they could adopt?

Perhaps a 360º (wrap-around) flexible borderless screen. Wireless charging would also be good.

If it's just a better galaxy gear, I'm not interested.
 
Square shapes dig into your wrist. That's exactly what you want.

"Circles are not efficient information spaces" is nonsense. It's the area that counts for information; the diagonal is what makes it uncomfortable. Circular shape has a 57% larger area with the same diagonal.

Have you ever had to add text information within a circle? I have and it sucks. It's not usable space for anything other than very simple displays like a clock or a speedometer. Look everywhere around your house. How many displays are circular? Rectangles use the space better and actually minimizes the part that's going to dig into your wrist:

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Would the iWatch or any smart watch going to be useful at all?
I mean you already have your smart phone with you at all times.. why would you flip your wrist to look at your watch when you can just dig into your pocket and look at your phone with a bigger screen?

As lazy as this sounds, looking at your wrist to check a text or email, or to look at an incoming call is much faster and more "convenient" then pulling a phone out of your pkt. Especially when your hands are busy doing something else. And if it's done right (and I suspect apple has something up their sleeve) I think its gonna be the next revolutionary device. Maybe not as big as the original iPhone, but close.
 
I hope they are not trying to replace watch.
It would be much better if they were trying to replace wrist devices like fitness devices.
Last thing I want is an apple's consumer level watch...
 
Yes, I know all about the self winding Swiss movements and you can already buy an automatic Swiss smart watch, but it looks ugly IMO, and then their's the price. Solar power IMO is the way forward and will allow a reasonable cost, but that doesn't fit with Apple's business model of upgrading, then again the new Mac Pro could be argued as not following that business model either.

The idea of resting it on a charging pad is exactly what the Toq does, it comes with it's own wireless charging stand. Also the Toq represents what a smart watch should be, which is an extension of your phone, not a full blown replacement that runs out of battery after a few hours!

I think Apple will look at the tech in the Toq and use it like the clever screen, but as to the features and power charging system who knows?

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You can't really compare Apple to Omega though, Omega is in the luxury watch market, Apple is in the consumer market, the way Omega use liquid metal will not match Apple's bottom line or mass production. Plus Omega only use liquid metal for it's timer rings on diver watches, not the entire case. It's only just launched it's first full ceramic watch.

Also, amazing connectivity and functionality will mean battery life of a few hours and an utterly useless device overall. Do you really need WiFi and a camera in a watch?


It's not a comparison of an Omega watch with what Apple is making. Apple clearly is going with LiquidMetal route over the MIM manufacturing method which is different, thus the several Apple patents outlining the manufacturing process using LiquidMetal in current and future products. The article states poor yield from the MIM process which is a different process from LiquidMetal.

I understand that a few LiquidMetal parts on an Omega watch means nothing to Apple, however it needs to be stated which part of the process is failing. MiM, LiquidMetal or the internals. Since these are all rumors we really don't know.
 
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