Eddy Cue and Craig Federighi Discuss Bloated Software Accusations, Upcoming iTunes Plans

Because OS X caches more stuff in ram. What's the point of unused ram?
So I restarted and checked out the cache, It was a hole half gig. The point is that OS X requires a lot more ram than Windows 10.

I start off with 16gig and after the boot is over almost 4 gig is used. I can bootcamp into Windows 10 and 1.5 gig is used. That is the point. Just saying....Bloated.....
 
It's interesting how Forstall got railroaded because his skeumorphic design interfered with actual function. Yet here we are with Jony Ives "Wearable IPhone Accessory' where its biggest problem is that it was designed to look like a watch rather than designed to be functional.

In an alternate universe where Forstall stuck around then we'd likely have an Apple that was more focused on 'everything' than one that is obsessed with hardware aesthetics and profits.
I thought people hated Watch because it doesn't look like a watch (i.e. it's not round). Make up your minds, people. And as far as your second paragraph what evidence do you have for that statement? I'm pretty sure Apple was obsessed with aesthetics and profits prior to 2013. It seems to me you're just picking a guy that was let go and assuming if he was still there things would be different.

Well, I guess we're not going to get any help from them. It doesn't sound like they 'get it'.
Do you really think two Apple executives are going to show up on a podcast and say "you're right our software sucks, Apple sucks". Of course not. Nobody exec any other company would do that either.

For me the part of this interview that I think should get more attention is what Craig said about iPad Pro. He didn't give anything away but his comments made it clear Apple is working on software improvements specifically for this device (some already are coming in 9.3).
 
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So I restarted and checked out the cache, It was a hole half gig. The point is that OS X requires a lot more ram than Windows 10.

I start off with 16gig and after the boot is over almost 4 gig is used. I can bootcamp into Windows 10 and 1.5 gig is used. That is the point. Just saying....Bloated.....
It doesn't really matter if you restarted your computer or not. The cache would still be loaded from the hard disc....

Just to prove my point if you look at a Mac with 4gb of ram. The memory used will be less than 4gb.
 
Awesome to see lots of grand statements being made!

My parents complain they can't sync songs. I can't sync certain songs too. iTunes has suck and they ruined the music app to focus on stupid Apple Music. I want the older interface. I don't care about beats one or whatever the F.
 
iBooks always synced flawlessly for me when it was a part of iTunes. Ever since it became its own app, syncing has never worked properly. I can get any book on my devices with no issue, but if I go to the iBooks store on my iDevice, it always says the purchased books are not on my device (even though they are) and iTunes frequently includes the storage used by iBooks on my device under 'Other' rather than iBooks. Downloading an update to a book on my computer then prompts a "Transfer purchase" message the next time I sync my device, and replaces the updated version on my Mac with the old version on my device. So when I hear about them breaking off iTunes into separate apps, I'm not sure it's such a great idea.
 
The problem is the insane amount of irritating bugs and glitches. Was that addressed?
Yeah, exactly. I don't know why anyone is complaining about bloat. It uses less RAM than a web browser. The real problem is that it doesn't work right anymore. Back when I could still use iTunes Radio, it was the glitchiest thing. iTunes would crash regularly trying to play it.
 
I think iTunes has hit the size of what it does that it should be split back out into multiple Applications

iPod - your own music library
Music - Streaming music service
iRadio - The streaming radio
etc, depending on functionality

Also: start working on web applications for a few of these, like radio / music.

And finally fix the ridiculously large gaping memory leak hole that has existed in iTunes for what feels like a decade already.
I absolutely agree with this. My home desktop Mac Pro is my hub with my entire music library. I use it to drive my iPhone and the iPods that I have in each of my cars. My home and work laptops get their music from the cloud, which is driven from my desktop. Drop or let me hide all of the other junk and just let me manage my library in peace.
 
The problem is the insane amount of irritating bugs and glitches. Was that addressed?

Sadly, I don't think it was. They didn't really discuss the distrust users feel using Apple's software of late. They seemed to actually confirm John Siracusa's suggestion that they are relying too heavily on their crash report metrics. Crashes are down yes, but things don't just work a lot of the time. Dozens of minor irritations add up to a lesser and often highly frustrating overall experience.
 
I personally ditched iCloud (too small to be useful), haven't used Mail in years (everything through GMail), and recently, I gave up on Photos, because it's imbecilically stupid without iCloud and gPhoto "just works".

iTunes is probably next. It can be so unpleasant to use, especially the mobile version.
 
I don't know. The newest versions of the iTunes have been horrible. Personally, I miss the older older UI

The joke is that Spotify's UI is based on the older iTunes UI which works perfectly.

I also prefer how Spotify integrates non-streaming MP3's

From what I can see Eddy Cue is responsible for everything that doesn't work at Apple he needs to step down.

At least they should do a dedicated Apple Music app, plus website like spotify.
Then their artists profiles might actually take off, when you can link them as web pages.
 
The problem is the insane amount of irritating bugs and glitches.. .....
Absolutely..... and I've said it before: The software seems to be less amazing lately; I really wish they would put even more resources into that. After all, the best hardware can't shine with lacklustre, bug-ridden software.
 
itunes isn't too bad. except it loses cover art sometimes. or even songs. or one year you find an album split into into 3 parts.

Also...where it stores backups of the iPhone is annoying. I had some old backups that I didn't even know existed that were taking up a ton of space.

the old syncing process got better over the years but then progress stopped on that. I mean they should make it easier to backup your iPhone to your mac. I wouldn't mind a nice iPhone backup app for the Mac even though everything is going cloud. Maybe that would be passe.

They seemed to have fixed an issue with how they incorporated tv or movie purchases into your collection. When this new version first came out you could find some stuff under the store and then purchased and then tv show. But they weren't there when you clicked my TV shows. I think they fixed that.
 
I think iTunes has hit the size of what it does that it should be split back out into multiple Applications.
Also: start working on web applications for a few of these, like radio / music.

From an iTunes perspective, I think the key thing is splitting out the transactional side from the media player side. Roll EVERYTHING you can spend money on into a single universal app (or preferably, a website): movies, music, books, magazines, TV apps, mobile apps, desktop apps... One place to manage subscriptions and purchases. Buy a song - it's added to the iTunes library. Buy a movie - it's added to your movies app and Apple TV. Buy a mobile app - it's automatically downloaded onto your registered devices.
 
I think iTunes has hit the size of what it does that it should be split back out into multiple Applications

iPod - your own music library
Music - Streaming music service
iRadio - The streaming radio
etc, depending on functionality

Also: start working on web applications for a few of these, like radio / music.

And finally fix the ridiculously large gaping memory leak hole that has existed in iTunes for what feels like a decade already.
A suite of bad apps isn't any better than one bad app. If they get iTunes right it could be a fantastic media center. They have to sort out their database issues, stop overwiting users' metadata with their incorrect information, and stop burrying basic functionality under piles of soon to be dropped radio stations.
 
They don't even need to update iTunes/Mail/Photos/iCloud; just ship the OS with up-to-date display drivers and APIs and I'll fanboy as hard as I can!
 
I want to be able to use my Mac and iPhone without an iCloud account or Apple Music or ever being asked to get either one.
 
Really? I personally think that Photos is a regression from the original.I find other applications (Graphic Converter, etc.) much better
I like Photos, but probably because my needs are simpler. One integrated service to sync my photos across all my other Apple devices. Working pretty well for me too.
 
Translation:

"We haven't heard anything our users have said. We're going to change everything again really soon, and probably not for the better. If and when you get used to that, we'll just change it again. Stability and reliability is for losers who don't like change! Here's some random marketing numbers that show you how awesome we are."

-SC
 
I think iTunes has hit the size of what it does that it should be split back out into multiple Applications

iPod - your own music library
Music - Streaming music service
iRadio - The streaming radio
etc, depending on functionality

I think I might be one of the very few people that actually like iTunes the way it is. It lets me do the things I want to do fairly easily and I think the music integration is the best I have seen on any platform except for one thing:
Having to enable be iCloud Music Library for using Apple Music in order to save playlists and for off-line listening kills it for me.
I actually cancelled my Apple Music subscription and got back to Spotify just for that specific reason. I simply don't want Apple to mess up my artwork and my tags let alone upload all my songs even if I just have one device to listen to them to.
But hey, Apple knows best, right?
 
For me personally it is really hard to use iTunes or the music app on iOS 9 these days. I sit there and cannot figure out the simplest things.

On the other hand Apple is pushing Apple Music advertising in my face at every chance they get and no I won't subscribe.

Also overall their software quality is definitely down. I still remember very vividly that I had so much trouble with wifi on OS 10.10
 
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