Well, most GPS show your driving speed. This would helpful for me, because I am Canadian and my car's speedometers does not include miles per hour. I have to print diagram and stick beside my speedometer. It is extremely annoying.
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Well, most GPS show your driving speed. This would helpful for me, because I am Canadian and my car's speedometers does not include miles per hour. I have to print diagram and stick beside my speedometer. It is extremely annoying.
I agree with the Bob comment, totally sincere and believable in what he says.
Jony had a time where I "trusted" his design but that seems a bit looser now.
and Craig...perhaps he is a great worker, but his on-stage presence make me push aside what he says. maybe it is because as of late, the things he touts as so incredibly awesome are just so, so things.
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to each their own. agree and disagree but Cue (where we can perhaps agree) has gone the elite hollywood buddy, buddy and not all-in Apple.
UPDATE: I am just posting a retort/rebuttal in response to the criticism of a remark I made early on in this thread about Craig's looks. and I do not believe my statements on my views need be refuted or actually can be refuted as these are views I, and others I know) have had about him. Perhaps we mind criticism, but in this case, I would not simply change my mind on this matter. I believe Craig's stage presence ridicules the work done at Apple and has trickled into their products/updates. I still believe Craig to be pompous (perhaps a few others at Apple are as well) and it still gives a distaste when watching a keynote. I do not feel there is a passion for the product as much anymore and more passion for themselves. However, a few presenters still show a sincerity that comes off as a true passion for the work they are doing at Apple (whether I agree with that work or not, their passion to it shows).
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While Craig has a much better stage presence than the other 3 Stooges, I have to judge him on my personal experience with his products. And they have been so and so at best. In case of El Capitan and the installation problems I had, I would have loved to tar and feather him.
I can not recall a single time that Steve told a part owner of the company to invest elsewhere - that is an order of magnitude less respectful than Steve. Read the many comments on many forums / news links - it appears that the primary players are drinking their Kool-Aid by the quart.
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Spot on - perhaps Cook and company are spending more time with their communication spin department and not enough time in the product development lab. That spin department better up their game cause what they are pumping out is buggy
I'd love to have speed shown on maps. That's why I liked Waze.
There is a speedometer in my car. It is not terribly accurate, when it does work. Probably has something to do with it being a 91 mini. The gauges in the late-80s-on models were cr**. I can buy an aftermarket GPS speedometer, but that's half the price of an iPhone. I could use a speedo app, but then I don't have the map display.
So..you receive a few rebuttal responses on your notorious Craig photo comment and you feel the need to re-post what you already explained in an 'Update' to the forum members? Seems odd, uncanny, and regretful.
No, he was responsible for far worse than that. As a very longterm AAPL investor I am aware of the many caustic and hostile remarks Steve made to questioners he did not appreciate at the annual meetings. At one point he called stockholders leeches, and he conspicuously resisted paying any dividends or buying back shares no matter how large Apple's cash hoard grew. So if you want to talk about investor relations, Steve was about the least interested CEO in recent memory.
My response was to another poster who asked for an example of Cook's arrogance - I provided such an example. Steve was dismissive of Wall Street I agree, but I don't recall him being that arrogant on a request from a shareholder at a shareholder meeting. Investor Relations was not the core of my response. I cut Steve some slack on "personality" issues given the products he conceived and the capital appreciation those products generated.
On balance, it is clear that I do not think much of Timmy as a CEO. That was a very unpopular stance when I took it a couple of years ago. Not so unpopular today.
You took a statistically significant samples of waze and your cars speedometer and across a good cross section of cars, locations and driving conditions? Well I suppose you must be right!
I recall quite a few, especially where it concerned dividends and buybacks. He was evasive or dismissive of these questions. He really disliked being at annual meetings, and had an undisguised contempt for the stockholders (I am talking here about the people who showed up at the meetings, not "Wall Street"). But your constant reference to Cook as if he's Lassie's pal is a pretty clear indication of the substance of your criticism. It does look any better in blue.
Hyperbole much? You managed to accomplish nothing in any of your replies to me. Sure, I am Apple enthusiast, investor and consumer, (like everyone else)and it shows Your replies have had no significance, other than stating quirky, kittywampus, snarky remarks, which have had little relation to the article or anything For that matter.
I simply tried to have a conversation with you, but Oddly enough, you mentioned your not engaging in my fascination with Apple, but yet you chose to reply to my every remark, reference it be regarding Apple or not. Ain't that calling the kettle pot black!
Your blinded by your own rebuttal responses to get the last word in, which you entered the debate to discuss another forum member, but strife away from the article or my attempt to discuss Apple to the point where you bicker? Pointless. As a veteran forum member, you seem easily managed and drawn into responses in which you, 69Mustang, do not have to engage in, but knowing how you will interpret this post, You will reply with Additional back handed comments which no other forum member will benefit from, other than feeding your self reliant ego.
I would be more than happy than to discuss the contents of the article with you,and sure, I can set my Apple fanatics aside, but if it's on your agenda to reply back with more comments being frivolous in translation, please don't bother. Otherwise, I would utilize the 'Ignore' button, at least it would assist in ceasing the debacle.
On Topic: Apple Maps has been a pleasure to use on my behalf. Google maps was deleted on my iPhone being Apple Maps has served me well on my travels through out the States. I will say Apple Maps is not updated as quickly as it should, but I have no general complaints.
Not shame on Cook at all. He was actually doing the guy a favor, since only an idiot would invest in Apple at this point.
Phil has always been the final decisionmaker for all aspects of Apple "marketing," a giant umbrella that includes: advertising, PR, "product design," and developer relations. In other words, Phil owned every ad. He owned all relationships with press. He owned all public and private interaction with developers. He owned WWDC. He owned App review. He owned every App review policy. He owned all of the "product managers" who work directly with engineering managers in a collaborative fashion to define new top-line features.
After SJ died, MarCom (marketing communications), the group that owned the design of product packaging and web, began to rapidly expand its reach. The huge iOS 7 UI redesign required far more new artwork than the existing Human Interface team's designers could provide. MarCom had a bunch of talented artists who were used to designing for the web. The "flat" look we all now know and [love|hate] was a perfect fit for MarCom's talents.
Not long after, the long-time head of HI and SJ confidante, Greg Christie was shown the door, and HI was put under the direct control of Jony, with MarCom people in charge beneath him.
When Apple hired Tor Myrhen into MarCom, they in effect brought ad creation in-house. Phil is no longer in charge of the public messaging. If you listen to Gruber's interview with him, you can hear how awkward and carefully parsed his comments are about how he was told his primary focus is now the App Store. That was always his job. He created the very mess Apple now pretends he's newly tasked with fixing. 100% of headcount in app review has always reported to Phil. 100% of App Store policies were defined and are enforced (or ignored) by his own team. Responding to (or ignoring) developer feedback on those policies has always flowed solely and directly through his own Developer Relations people.
Phil got demoted this year, and the public–particularly developers–got played. It sounds like things have improved in some regards, but that's because Phil started doing a better job, not because he started doing a new job.
Just ignore RelentlessPower. He obviously joined this site barely a month ago to be a pro Apple troll.
He just doesn't realize that his excessively wordy and convoluted posts arent convincing anyone.
But like the boorish guest at your house party who enjoys the sound of his own voice, he'll keep spewing his word salads regardless.
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oh man, I do NOT regret anything I said, about the Craig Photo or anything in response to your criticism of my post.
I did not realize my comment on Craig's photo was "notorious" and do not believe you gave anything in the way to act as a rebuttal. I don't recall you saying how Craig was not acting pompous or how he did not seem cliché to me or anyone I know. no proof to act as rebuttal.
and I was posting an UPDATE because I read where a few other people noted you acting out on my original comment. mentioning how my comment benefited nobody ...when you then used that same comment as it doesn't matter if anyone benefits from your comments.
I regret nothing so far I have had input in on this thread
Very interesting, thanks for providing. What's interesting about your comments is when that org change was announced last December all the Apple bloggers spun it as sort of a promotion for Phil and a demotion for Eddy. The way you describe it it doesn't seem that way at all. Is Phil still responsible for product decisions like product specs, model names, pricing etc.?
Specs and pricing are driven more by hardware and finance. Dunno who owns naming, might depend on whether it's a hardware product or a software feature.
oh man, I do NOT regret anything I said, about the Craig Photo or anything in response to your criticism of my post.
I did not realize my comment on Craig's photo was "notorious" and do not believe you gave anything in the way to act as a rebuttal. I don't recall you saying how Craig was not acting pompous or how he did not seem cliché to me or anyone I know. no proof to act as rebuttal.
and I was posting an UPDATE because I read where a few other people noted you acting out on my original comment. mentioning how my comment benefited nobody ...when you then used that same comment as it doesn't matter if anyone benefits from your comments.
I regret nothing so far I have had input in on this thread
Lol. Yet you posted a page long post explaining yourself and your original thoughts about Craig. I'm starting to think there is something more going on here.
I'm willing to bet if another article surfaced on Macrumors with Craig on it, you would be unlikely to post any snide comments on him, versus the ACTUAL topic At hand. And your overstated use of 'Pompous' carries little weight with the article itself and achieved nothing, only For you to still be fending your frivolous ideation of Craig, as if you had lunch with him or something. I mean, really?
Say you actually got to meet Craig and find out he is a genuine person, would that change your mind about your silly remarks? Or would it be easier for you to call Him pompous to his face? I'm guessing the latter. Point is, think twice before posting irrelevant remarks against someone you indirectly never have met in this life.
Or are you going post another page update on your thoughts and having to defend your initial tyrant?
I literally have only replied to him to see what further abuses he's going to heap on the English language. He is on of the most obtuse individuals I've encountered on this forum. Worse, I honestly think he thinks his responses are intelligent. Spot on when you say convoluted. And the words... so... many... words. The fact that he doesn't know the meaning or proper use of most of them just makes me giggle. Look at how he starts his last reply to me. It's pretty darn obvious he doesn't know what hyperbole means. Even if he does (he doesn't), he doesn't know how to properly use it. He does the same thing with kittywampus <-- that's not even the right word. Again, if was the right word (it's not), he's using it incorrectly. His latest post of full of stuff like that. In another post he trotted out oxymoron for some reason. Keeps using "shareholder or investor" in the same sentences as if they aren't synonyms - dept. of redundancy dept.
But he's an Apple fan, so that makes it okay. Pretty sure it's a kid pretending to be an adult. Not doing a good job either.
I better stop replying to him before he beats up some more words.
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Upon further purview, I cannot in good consciousness continue this debate. Your points are, it pains me to say, more pertitive than mine. You win. I was bested. At some point, I had to have an inference of your stand on Apple. Kudos to you.
That would be so hard for you to figure out on your own.
Anyway, nice response to the substance of my point.
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Some wag years ago (back in the Performa/Centris/Quadra days) attributed the absurd proliferation of product names to the Apple Ministry of Naming.
Bingo.
This may be a decent article on how “Apple learned from this mistake” … but it lacks on providing insight into where the linkage is to Apple's culture now being able to admit to today’s problems?
The Mac Pro “Trash Can” is a Poster Child example ... and yet it wasn’t mentioned even once.
This illustrates that the article's premise is an utter propaganda sham.
You don't need to have all that deep of an understanding: their SEC filings tell the story. They could easily add $10M/month to the desktop Mac's R&D line and it would still hidden in the rounding-off of numbers on the high level financials.
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Compared to the February interview, is anything new and of significance?
If not in February, I'm fairly sure that the 'learning from failures' line was trotted out elsewhere a few months ago.
If not in February, I'm fairly sure that the 'learning from failures' line was trotted out elsewhere a few months ago.
This is fun. I love a good chuckle coming back here each time to see what you have written.
a page-long post is NOT what I wrote...but this one might be as I reply to each sentence you write in your lengthy diatribe. If another article was posted with his photo I am not sure i would write the statement again, why would I? I already posted it for all to read. I have seen many make comments about the one Investor Ichan (not sure I have that correct and don't feel like researching it) time and again. But I think my comment is Spot-On and the DannyTanner-like mannerism is still true. I am not sure if the word Pompous is overstated, maybe a few more times until it becomes overstated. "little weight" it may be to you, but to me, it carries a lot of weight, if you read what I wrote (not sure you read it all or fully comprehend what I wrote) you would see the correlation between his character and his response/ramblings. so, I see an article, and see his photo next to it, and I suddenly remember all the feelings i have associated with him from what I have taken in based on his presentations and I take very little weight or credence to it...see that correlation is now associated with the article. and no, there is no need to have lunch with someone to realize that person exudes a pompous aura.
Next Paragraph Please: I may change my mind about Craig if I find he is NOT the person he makes himself appear. BUT, I would try and convince him (if he is humble enough and not too vain he might listen) that he should cut back on the way he presents himself, and thus Apple, at these announcements. and I don't think you understand that someone can view somebody as being arrogant and not be silly. Perhaps I would tell him he is seen by some to be pompous and explain why. but if he is truly NOT that type of person and just plays one on stage, I would then say he only acts that way. I find it humorous you think one cannot have ideas of somebody without meeting that person. I have not met a single President over the years but I think I can form an opinion about each one.
Last paragraph: I am. I am going to write a lengthy post/reply. Why? because it keeps you quoting me and it is a lovely read. I am not sure I have quite defended my original statement and don't need to defend a feeling I get. and I believe the word choice you meant to write was "tirade" not "tyrant". I find it hard-pressed to think of myself as a tyrant. likewise, my original post was not much of a tirade, it was short, sweet, and concise...unlike THIS post.