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Eddy Cue and Jimmy Iovine Talk Apple Music in Series of Interviews
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Well, I never in my life expected to see Trent Reznor speaking on behalf of Apple in a WWDC video, but there it is.
Also — I'm assuming the general murmur from the crowd when Tim did the One more thing... then said "We all love music..." was the collective sigh of dashed hopes for an Apple TV SDK.
Also — I'm assuming the general murmur from the crowd when Tim did the One more thing... then said "We all love music..." was the collective sigh of dashed hopes for an Apple TV SDK.
As they said talk is cheap, so I'd want to see really how much the artists get paid, not just some hype about 'everybody profits' blah blah blah...
HobeSoundDarryl
macrumors G5
Right, I read that quote as marketing spin vs. literal reality. But that's the closest to answering your question with something that I've seen so far. Prior to WWDC, several of the usual ADF members kept posting the negatives of this issue in the Spotify deal implying that Apple would do better (for the artists). But I'm accustomed to Apple taking the XX% right off the top before other kinds of artists get paid, so I'm with you in waiting for something better than hype.
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Because I don't know ahead of time what music I want to listen to. So yeah, unless these services will take a song I think of and download a stations worth of songs that the service thinks would go well with my suggestion (~30+) and do it overnight without me having to do anything but ask it to do this for me, then these services are worthless to me.
For music that I know I want to listen to, I support the artist and buy the songs/albums from iTunes.
How big was that catalog of Amazon Prime Music again?
The frosting on the cake is the deep integration of Music in iOS rather than a 3rd party app, to be honest...
The frosting on the cake is the deep integration of Music in iOS rather than a 3rd party app, to be honest...
I believe Spotify just matched the family price, although I'll be trying out Apple music as well.
Unfortunately, that "human" probably likes music that I don't. People have different tastes - one of the shortcomings of the "human touch"
Spotify uses for premium streaming 320k ogg vorbis not mp3.
My guess is that it is the exact same deal as on every other streaming service.
How much each artist actually ends up with is out of the hands of Apple/Spotify and the other players in the streaming/selling arena. Their obligation is to pay to the rights owner - which often is a record label.
The further distribution of that money is entirely up to the agreed upon deal between the artist/writer and the record label and nothing a music service or end user can change or bypass.
On the subject of how much artists get, I imagine the deals with the record companies are similar.
I read an interview with Iovine a while ago, and the point he made then was that streaming doesn't really work yet because not enough people are paying subscribers.
But if the industry can get a far bigger proportion of music buyers to subscribe to streaming, then that would equate to higher payments to artists, even with similar deals.
Which I guess makes sense to a degree, but only time will tell.
I read an interview with Iovine a while ago, and the point he made then was that streaming doesn't really work yet because not enough people are paying subscribers.
But if the industry can get a far bigger proportion of music buyers to subscribe to streaming, then that would equate to higher payments to artists, even with similar deals.
Which I guess makes sense to a degree, but only time will tell.
No, they haven't covered that. They've SPECULATED. For the record I agree with you, I don't believe we're getting the full iTunes library. But NOWHERE does it say for sure one way or the other. The Verge article that everyone likes to refer to merely uses this as the basis for their entire article...
http://www.theverge.com/2015/6/8/8745963/the-beatles-apple-music
Edited to add: Actually, there is one place that says for sure and that's the Beats FAQ that says it does include the full iTunes library...
https://www.beatsmusic.com/faq
I would have thought they'd have edited/removed that by now but it's still there.
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Why don't people like having music on their devices anymore? I hate the idea of streaming music, just seems pointless when I have 32GB of space available to me.
According to Cue, the $9.99 individual price point for Apple Music wasn't a sticking point for the company as some earlier reports suggested, but the company was invested in negotiating a reasonable family subscription price. Apple Music lets up to 6 family members share an account for $14.99, a price point that Cue says will get entire families on board with the service.
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Apple Music, with its on-demand streaming service, Beats 1 radio station, and Apple Connect platform, will officially launch on June 30, as part of the iOS 8.4 update. As previously mentioned, it will be priced at $9.99 for individuals and $14.99 for families. Existing Beats subscribers will be able to transition their subscriptions to Apple Music.
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So what happens to iTunes Match users now? Does this augment iTunes Match? Kill iTunes Match? What?
HobeSoundDarryl
macrumors G5
That's still the best way to go unless the temptation of "new music discovery" (via a streaming service) is enough to motivate you to rent access to music (and you refuse to do that with any of the freemium options).
That's what the curated playlists are for. If you want an algorithm created playlist based on a track, you can create a Genius playlist (will be interesting to see if Genius playlists can pull from the entire MUSIC library)
You can offline playlists for your car trips in advance.
HobeSoundDarryl
macrumors G5
iTunes Match is still a great option for those with good collections of favorite music and want access to upwards of all of it on mobile devices that can't store all of it. For $25/yr, you can stream up to your whole library as if it's all on board.
OR, for about $10/month you can also stream your whole library AND have access to upwards of the rest of the music in the iTunes collection.
Both have a place- even a logical place- with each fitting users with different wants & needs.
For me, I've long since assembled long playlists of favorite music, so synching them to my iDevices and then shuffling those songs keeps my ears stimulated with self-curated, great (IMO) music. No $25/yr or $10/month option needed.
However, if those playlists ever grew too large for the free space for music on my iDevices, I could spend just $25/yr and still have access to any songs I couldn't sync... not hitting my credit card every month and no $120/yr.
And if I could ever get bored with all of the music I've accumulated and/or there was a classic rock-like resurgence of great music from a new Beatles, Stones, Zep, et all such that I wanted to have access to LOTS of new music without having to pay for all those new singles or albums, I could sign up to rent the whole music library for $10/month.
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To all of you people saying that you were "underwhelmed" by the announcement - do you even listen to music? As a music lover and and iPhone user I am extremely excited for Apple Music. It is everything I have been wanting in a streaming music service:
1. The iTunes catalogue on demand
2. Works with Siri (with some really cool new commands... like "Play the top song from 1982")
3. "Connect" aka Ping but done right (I actually loved Ping during it's short life) - but really I think that this feature will bring artists closer to their fans and will add a new dimension to the experience.
4. A really nice, new UI (with on screen volume control! unlike Spotify & Rdio... Ugh! and "up next"!)
5. Will most likely get new albums as soon as they come out
6. Cool radio station and music discovery features
7. Music videos
8. Integrates seamlessly with the music I already own
9. All this is in one place!!!
I really think that it is going to be a fantastic experience.
Some of you want so badly to be blown away by innovation that you are missing the whole point....
IT'S ABOUT THE MUSIC
and Apple nailed it
so go away and stop complaining
1. The iTunes catalogue on demand
2. Works with Siri (with some really cool new commands... like "Play the top song from 1982")
3. "Connect" aka Ping but done right (I actually loved Ping during it's short life) - but really I think that this feature will bring artists closer to their fans and will add a new dimension to the experience.
4. A really nice, new UI (with on screen volume control! unlike Spotify & Rdio... Ugh! and "up next"!)
5. Will most likely get new albums as soon as they come out
6. Cool radio station and music discovery features
7. Music videos
8. Integrates seamlessly with the music I already own
9. All this is in one place!!!
I really think that it is going to be a fantastic experience.
Some of you want so badly to be blown away by innovation that you are missing the whole point....
IT'S ABOUT THE MUSIC
and Apple nailed it
so go away and stop complaining
I read only the headline of this so far, but I must say after the keynote please don't make me listen to jimmy anymore! I'd never heard him speak before and I can't tell if he was doing a Christopher Walken impression or what his glitch was...
Yep, I'll be one of those people who continue to download. No subscription business for this gal.