Eddy Cue, Tim Cook and Adobe Discuss iPad Pro Ahead of November 11 Launch

[niun]

I would be really interested to see if people are able to fit their entire workflow on this device without having to reach for a laptop or desktop.
Also, there appear to be a lot of creative saying this is great to lay down some ideas, sketches etc... That's a bloody expensive sketch book.

 

[baryon]

If they get more or less "full-featured" Photoshop running on this then it can replace a computer. Image retouching with dodge and burn, cloning, curves, layers, adjustment layers, masks, selections, refine edge, camera RAW, custom brushes and presets, exporting in various file formats, batch processing images, etc... These things are needed for anyone serious about working with photos. Currently there is nothing that even comes close to that on an iPad, so sure, you can sketch stuff and use it like a notepad to jot down ideas on the go, but you're going to go back to your computer with 4 cores and 16 GB of RAM and a huge screen and that's where you'll be doing the real work. Until they can get all this working on an iPad.

Also, I don't even know how RAW works on an iPad? Does it even work at all? What happens if you're a photographer, how can you not use a computer to process your RAWs? Also when a shoot takes up several 16 GB memory cards, where do you store all that? You can't connect an iPad to an external hard drive, or any kind of storage for that matter. All the people who work with photos on any level just have no other option than to use a computer. Which I think the iPad could easily handle - and I think that's a lot of people who would use an iPad if only it worked with external storage and had some kind of photo editing software that doesn't suck.

 

[canesalato]

Also, I don't even know how RAW works on an iPad? Does it even work at all?

Nope. You can import raw files with the adapter (except the lightning to sd adapter is broken with iOS9 at the moment -.-) and see the embedded jpeg preview. But that's all...

 

[baryon]

Nope. You can import raw files with the adapter (except the lightning to sd adapter is broken with iOS9 at the moment -.-) and see the embedded jpeg preview. But that's all...

I'm somehow not surprised. When Apple says the "iPad Pro will replace computers for many people", they really mean "for people who don't ever shoot RAW, i.e. not professionals despite the "Pro" suffix".

 

[sofila]

So is anyone taking note of the names of these "indipendent" professionals praising this product?
What if iPad Pro won't meet expectations (high, given the price)?
Would we label them as unreliable or just forgot them?
Probably we'll never heard about them anymore

 

[sjleworthy]

how completely negative, arrogant and uninspiring so many of these posts are

 

[cheesyappleuser]

Politely disagree, my iPhone 4 on iOS 4 was one of the smoothest, quickest iPhones I've ever used. It was like butter. Shame iOS 7 completely killed it, (though 5 and 6 made it noticeably slower) and I had to eventually replace for a 5S.

Actually, no. I remember using Facebook way back in time (after the first design was discontinued) and it still remains as the slowest experience I've ever had with the phone. It was unusable. Plus, I just stopped using the 4 as my primary phone a week ago, and I can say, after formatting and updating it to iOS 7 it has become much more compelling.

 

[Dave245]

iOS 10 will probably be ad

how completely negative, arrogant and uninspiring so many of these posts are

I think most of these posts are from people who want it to fail or are not thinking out of the box. People are looking at the iPad Pro and seeing just a bigger tablet rather than the potential it actually has.

 

[jarledb]

- 16GB base storage since the iPhone 3GS.

Wrong. iPhone 3G, 3GS, 4 and 4S started at 8 GB.

Ref: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_iOS_devices

 

[keysofanxiety]

Wrong. iPhone 3G, 3GS, 4 and 4S started at 8 GB.

Ref: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_iOS_devices

Wrong. 3GS was 16GB base storage when it was introduced. After the 4 came out, the 3GS was introduced as a lower tier at 8GB. Same for the rest. All 16GB base storage, then 8GB when the newer one was released.

 

[OllyW]

Wrong. iPhone 3G, 3GS, 4 and 4S started at 8 GB.

Ref: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_iOS_devices

The 3G was sold with an 8GB option at launch but the others were all released with 16GB as the base option. When the iPhone was upgraded to a new model the following year they all were repositioned as a cheaper option with 8GB. In fact the 4S only got the 8GB option 2 years after it was released.

 

[canesalato]

Wrong. iPhone 3G, 3GS, 4 and 4S started at 8 GB.

Ref: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_iOS_devices

Wrong, somehow this is a very commong misconception.

 

[Beavix]

I think most of these posts are from people who want it to fail or are not thinking out of the box. People are looking at the iPad Pro and seeing just a bigger tablet rather than the potential it actually has.

I was a big iPad fan and had huge hopes for this device but for me it really was not more than just a big, cumbersome iPhone. And right now I have no reasons to believe the iPad Pro will be more than just a big iPad with a stylus. As long as it runs iOS it'll still be a crippled device.

 

[MrGuder]

how completely negative, arrogant and uninspiring so many of these posts are

It's called helpful criticism which eddy needs after that interview. When all you can come up with is I use it for email and the speakers are great he needs more training in what this product is really designed for. Of course it can do those things so can a regular iPad. Eddy is getting paid big bucks he should be knowledgable in the products they are rolling out. This interview shows otherwise, he needs more training on this product.

 

[maflynn]

how completely negative, arrogant and uninspiring so many of these posts are

I haven't read through all the posts, but I think many of them fall into the category of disappointment for a variety of reasons, others were hoping for maybe something a bit more, others, it's just not a good fit.

I guess I could be counted in the category that they could have done a little more. Its a nice product but they just didn't seal the deal.

 

[0x000000]

Also, there appear to be a lot of creative saying this is great to lay down some ideas, sketches etc... That's a bloody expensive sketch book.

Also it's only the first step. Yes, I could make some sketches with it, arguably better than on paper. But I cannot use it for Photoshop, Indesign, Illustrator. I cannot manage my files (efficiently) and I don't even want to imagine how hard it would be to build a website with a maximum of two apps open at one time. This whole 'switching between apps' doesn't do it for me.

 

[msh]

?

My, still going strong after 7yrs, ol' 2008 MBP is running Apples newest OS X, El Capitan, without a single problem. Come to think of it, my iPad Air1 and iPhone 5 are going strong and both are running the newest iOS 9.1, without a problem. I'd like to put the old MBP out to pasture but there's certainly no need to throw any of them away.

Is that an early or late '08 MBP? I have an early '08 MBP and El Cap is a no go due to cursor freezing for a few seconds every minute; something to do with the HIDDriver for the trackpad/keyboard.

 

[Benjamin Frost]

Isn't that what there is now? mini, air2, Pro.



Ain't that the truth! I've just about given up. Gaming on an iPad had so much potential about 4 years ago and look where it's taken us.

No; that's the problem.

There are five lines: the iPad Pro, two iPad Airs, two iPad minis; there should be only three lines.

 

[Codeseven]

Is that an early or late '08 MBP? I have an early '08 MBP and El Cap is a no go due to cursor freezing for a few seconds every minute; something to do with the HIDDriver for the trackpad/keyboard.

It's a late 2008 Intel Core 2 Duo.

 

[turbineseaplane]

Every single video I've seen basically doesn't show the palm rejection in action and also, I continue to see a slight lag between pencil contact with screen and action on the screen.

It really really does not look like the "magic drawing tablet" many have been hoping and waiting for.

I hope I'm really wrong, but I'm pretty skeptical at this point.

 

[e93to]

Let's face it. iPad Pro is a toy. Having such capabilities as drawing tool aimed at "creative professionals" is just marketing. This won't change the way we work... for now....

Auto manufacturers are bent on developing performance cars that can cheat the laws of physics. A lot of clever engineering and innovations go into the developments of cars such as 911 Turbo, GTR, AMG GT, M4, etc. But how many owners actually take the cars to the track to explore the limits of these cars? They are mostly seen at valet parkings at hotels and restaurants.

iPad Pros will be bought by people who want to stream movies in bed before falling asleep.

 

[OS X Dude]

My boss thought the same thing....she loved the idea of the Surface Pro.....and returned it last week. Mainly because of the lack of tablet apps (she previously had an iPad, and found that even where there are Windows apps, they are not optimised for touch or lag way behind the iOS version in features). She already has a (Dell) laptop, too, and she said that it felt like "having two laptops, rather than having a laptop and a tablet". She's gone back to iPad (Air), and kept her Dell.

Yeah, that's the one thing that would bug me potentially. But, apps like StaffPad really show the potential - hopefully it continues!

hmm, so why would you jump ship from mac and go to Windows (surface), considering it's a lesser OS, has lesser battery life, and all your programs are presumably OS X, forcing new spending? not understanding the trade off.

It was a hypothetical analysis.

I dual-boot into Windows anyway, partly because I'm a geek but also for some Windows-only music software that I use. I really like Windows 10 as well, along with 7. Once the Lumia smartphones and apps mature a bit more, it'll be a serious contender for me - particularly if Logic goes the way of Aperture.

 

[Glideslope]

Comparing today's MR forums to years ago even back in 2007, yes it has changed a lot. The most vocal people here are Apple Haters.

This guy said best on the situation:

Well, that is your opinion. Apple has been deserving of much criticism since 2011. There are an equal number of Apple Sheep in these forums that would follow Tim and Eddy off the pier streaming Apple Music on their 16g iPhone 6s, sending Heart Shaped Taptic Pulses on their Apple Watches.

"Think Different."

 

[s1m]

Let's face it. iPad Pro is a toy. Having such capabilities as drawing tool aimed at "creative professionals" is just marketing. This won't change the way we work... for now....

Auto manufacturers are bent on developing performance cars that can cheat the laws of physics. A lot of clever engineering and innovations go into the developments of cars such as 911 Turbo, GTR, AMG GT, M4, etc. But how many owners actually take the cars to the track to explore the limits of these cars? They are mostly seen at valet parkings at hotels and restaurants.

iPad Pros will be bought by people who want to stream movies in bed before falling asleep.

That might be true of some - not all. I have commented earlier in the thread about how I will use this for reviewing and presenting reports. I will also use it as a sketch pad for mind/mud maps, report designs, process notes - things that I cant do with a laptop and that I would like to do with an ipad. I still carry a paper notepad as muc touch typing is not quite good enough to type notes and focus on the person I am speaking to.

Pitching this just a "creative designers" misses the whole management consultants, auditors, strategy types. Imagine being able to sketch out a business process and get management to update the process on the iPad and then electronically share that with people. A great benefit for me.

Then in my personal life I can use this to design menus that I am cooking, sketch out how food is being presented. I can draw designs of the garden or sketch out things in the house that I need to work on. Then from an interior design perspective I can grab images/designs from the web and dop them into a sketch. Then sync all of this across different devices so I have images on the phone if I need a quick reference point.

I am just starting to think about how I can use this to replace the scraps of paper around the house and office.

I think a lot of people here are posting about what it doesn't do based on their expectations rather than what it can do. You don't bitch and moan about a wrench because it can't fry an egg or do brain surgery.

 

[AxoNeuron]

Yeah, really sad. Seems to have increased as Apple's success and financial performance have dramatically improved under Cook's leadership. Why that bothers people so much is baffling. Well, not really. Some just can't stand others, whether a company or a person, enjoying so much success.

Perhaps a lot of us 'haters' used to love Apple as a company but have become disillusioned as the company has made one stupid mistake after another. Their financial performance has only improved under Cook because he is still (even after all these years) riding high on the work Apple did in the late 2000's. For example, Apple has had tremendous growth in China, but that growth won't continue indefinitely. I don't see the iPhone conquering any new major markets any time soon, there really aren't any left to conquer. And since the iPhone is still Apple's only real source of enormous profits, I don't see Apple's stock price improving much more in the future unless they can tackle some entirely new product categories.

Cook isn't a stupid guy, he realized this years ago (as did everyone else in the tech world with half a brain). The problem is that Apple is being really really stupid with the markets it is choosing to enter. The wearables market? Great, they can attract a small percentage of iPhone users. Not much money to be made there (compared to the iPhone). Cars? Apple has zero experience in the car industry. The automatic come-back line from Apple fans is that 'apple didn't have any experience in the phone market before the iPhone!' but that's extremely naive. The mobile phone market was already very similar to the rest of the tech world. But the automotive industry is completely different. Most of the same tricks that worked in the tech industry just won't work at all in the automotive world. Furthermore, there are already so many established players in the automotive industry (like Tesla) that will compete with Apple so ferociously that there will be no profits left in it.

I just don't see how you can think Apple has been doing a good job these last few years. The fact that their profits have gone up shows that they have good mid-level management who can squeeze pennies and dimes out of their manufacturing process, but I'm not seeing how Apple can continue this in the future with their current trajectory.