Eddy Cue, Tim Cook and Adobe Discuss iPad Pro Ahead of November 11 Launch

[ouimetnick]

I don't see the point in spending that much money on a "throw away" device. iOS devices are great for 2 years at least, but more than 3 or 4, and it's going to be bad. Look at how terrible the iPad 2, iPad mini, iPhone 4S, iPhone 5 run on the latest iOS. Actually see how any iOS device runs on their last supported version. Chances are it sucks. I bought a $1199 MacBook Pro in 2010. Still as fast as it was when I bought it. An iPad from 2010 or iPhone from 2010 or even 2011 is next to useless.

 

[barkomatic]

Yes with iCloud, or Airdrop, or Continuity, or other things that get pushed through your devices with the same Apple ID.

Not quite good enough though. iCould can't handle large amounts of music and video very well and I don't want yet another monthly fee for something to get more storage in iCoud. I'd rather pay once for a computer with enough storage to sync to.

iCould also take forever if we talking about more than just contacts and light stuff.

 

[canesalato]

Just turn on iCloud Drive on your home screen in settings. Voila. File-system.

In your dreams...

 

[erasr]

Eddie doesn't seem that bright...

 

[macfoxpro]

So many naysayers

 

[WestonHarvey1]

The usual clap trap marketing BS from them then. And Eddy Cue needs to get out more if all he can come up with is what a revelation 'stereo sound' is! I mean seriously? The guy behind Apple music 'changed the way he thought about the iPad Pro' because it has stereo speakers!

Note how they are going to some length to 'distance' themselves from this by claiming they made a 'pencil' or 'sketching tool'

And yes Apple zealots, Jobs IS talking about tablet stylus.

It's all just marketing folks.

This is a dumb argument. Steve Jobs was against using a stylus as the primary *input device*. Do you really think Jobs would have been against drawing things on an iPad? Oh, no, nobody should ever be able to draw. Let's just dispense with that entire use case, because styluses are bad for some reason.

These "gotchas" on the stylus issue are so obtuse.

 

[appledefenceforce]

Macrumors is turning into an Apple-hating forum. But since Apple can never do any right these days good for them to not listen to what people say on these forums.

 

[s1m]

Seems like a lot of people are missing some of the pros that might use this device. My job is to write, review and present reports on organisational performance to the exec and board. I spend all day revewing word documents and reading pdf reports. A report gets emailed to me and I open the PDF in Adobe PDF. At the moment if I want to mark up changes to the report it is a little clumsy and hard to make hand written notes. This is what I will use the Pencil for - not sketching/drawing. I am only a fairly junior person in the organisation but upwards from me everyone will benefit from an increased screen size and better input option.

Then at home I now have a bigger portable screen to view movies and games.

I am not sure about the keyboard. I have a new mini keyboard coming soon and I would like a small smart cover like I have on my Air.

What is exceptionally frustrating is a lack of price in Australia.

I am also not sure if I might go Wifi only and pair with my phone rather than the premium for cellular.

 

[appledefenceforce]

- 16GB base storage since the iPhone 3GS.
- 'New' iMacs which have considerably worse specs than their predecessors, especially when it comes to graphics.
- Spinning, non-upgradeable 2.5" drives on a £1500+ machine in 2015.
- A ludicrously expensive purchase of Beats for little/no visible benefit.

It's Cook's Apple all right. Immeasurable profits, with even more cost cutting. Shame he doesn't have the vision or foresight to throw a bit of that cash back into the products. It really won't take much to make a lot of people here happy.

Things that were unveiled under Cook:

- First 128GB phone on the market. Now everyone followed.
- First mainstream phone with easy to set up and easy to use finger scanner. Now everyone followed.
- First OEM that has a solid music streaming service and upcoming TV streaming service.
- First OEM that combined hardware security with a payment system (albeit too slow rollout)
- Metal and Swift.
- Rapid shift to corporate social responsibility (albeit Tax) and environmental friendliness.
- And since people keep brining up the HDD thing let's not forget Apple actually did some work on the SSD in the iPhone to increase the performance.
- The beats purchase encompasses: The hardware, software, AND talent. I don't understand how people still cannot understand this very simple thing that has been reiterated so many times. If anything Beats purchase is not that expensive considering how blown up values of tech companies have become in recent years.

Everyone likes to bash Cook because he's a different kind of leader to Tim. But people are so quick to forget that the team that helped Tim is the team that helps Cook (except for Scott). So many arm chair execs on this forum. If you are not happy about the these things then don't buy. The one thing that the world does not need is people who complain about products that they're not happy with, and yet still buy.

 

[Glideslope]

Eddie doesn't seem that bright...

Steve kept Eddy in check. He knew the potential for quagmires. It was not until Tim took over that Eddy was unleashed. Only "Tim" knows why. We now have the Beats Aquisition, and Apple Music.

I rest my case.

 

[pika2000]

Note how they are going to some length to 'distance' themselves from this by claiming they made a 'pencil' or 'sketching tool'

And yes Apple zealots, Jobs IS talking about tablet stylus.

It's all just marketing folks.

Did you watch the video? The issue that Jobs stated was that with Tablet PCs, the stylus is a requirement for UI interaction. Not the case with iOS where the pencil is just an optional accessory. You can still use the iPad Pro just like regular iPads without the pencil. On Windows tablets, you must have a stylus due to the classic Windows desktop paradigm that Microsoft sticks with. (to Microsoft's credit, they did made an effort with WinRT and metro, but the consumers and geeks didn't want to change their behavior).

 

[Glideslope]

Macrumors is turning into an Apple-hating forum. But since Apple can never do any right these days good for them to not listen to what people say on these forums.

I disagree. MR is not that different from when I first joined. Apple however, is. There have been many outstanding efforts since the end of 2011. There have also been many decisions and products worthy of criticism.

 

[Sodner]

I can't believe how much negativity there is about this product. Eddy Cue is using it as many people will, as a great big portable screen to consume content on. I am very excited to hear the sound watching movies, and was happy to hear he was enthusiastic about that. I am also looking forward to holding super-large 264ppi fast-loading webpages in my hand or seeing my photos on that amazing screen. The pencil, productivity and multi-tasking options are all very nice, but for myself and many others I am sure, they are secondary.

Exact same here. Have an 27" iMac , iPhone 6s+ and a iPad Air 2 but I'm still excited about the iPad Pro. I'm not and artist and will probably never buy the Pencil. But I am looking forward to consume content on that big beautiful piece of hardware.

I'll be in line the day it's available in store. Grey 128GB with just a Smart Cover.

 

[fanta88]

Well then, Eddy Cue uses his iPad Pro for essentially the same thing everyone else currently uses an iPad Air or iPad Mini for. Oh, and he really likes the stereo sound, apparently. And this thing is hundreds more than an iPad Air. That's tough to justify based on this lousy interview unless you've got the money to burn. Someone needs to revoke Eddy's authorization to speak to the press.

I'm torn. I'm not sure if Eddy is just bad at the sales pitch or whether he's just being honest. I mean, I think the iPP will be more "productive" than an Air and Mini, but I wonder to what extent.

 

[itbeme]

If you don't like what you see, don't buy it. Go buy a Windows device and be done with it. Just because Apple doesn't make what you want, you go on a tear on an Internet forum like this ? Save your cycles for something more productive, or just buy the Surface (and then whine about how it's not a Mac).

For some folks this will be just the ticket and they'l be happy with it. It won't replace a PC because it's not a PC and was never meant to be. See it for what it is and take it or leave it.

 

[JimmyHook]

I have discovered a direct correlation between the number of people who hate a product on this forum to sales. The more the hate, the higher the sales. This thing is gonna be phenomenal and sell way more than microsoft's toy (which has a number of serious hardware problems). One other thing, iCloud Drive has become my default file system. I have the 1 TB plan and it is great. I turn it on, and I can save any file type to it. Create folders etc. I even use workflow to save videos to it from the web on any iOS device. Workflow also lets me convert any web article to PDF for storage on iCloud Drive. Pretty sweet. It's way more natural than OneDrive (that lied to customers) or Google Drive (that doesn't integrate well with iOS).

 

[The Cappy]

The number of people not resting their palm on the screen concerns me. I know there is palm rejection that has been confirmed multiple times but it would suck if some developers implement it "better" than others

Remember that there is a photographer on the other side of that lens telling them not to obscure the product.

 

[JimmyHook]

Two other things:

If you start a sentence with "I'm a long time Apple fan but..." you failed.

If you mention "Steve said..." you failed.

Yes, what a total revolution, a file system for the device that replaces your computer, that solely exists on the internet and you have to have a constant internet connection to use it! Amazing...

If every device followed that ridiculous model, global warming would increase because of all the extra power and machines needed to run it. Just to replace something your own device is much more then capable of doing itself.

You can buy flash drives for iPads too... just saying.

 

[jm001]

The number of people not resting their palm on the screen concerns me. I know there is palm rejection that has been confirmed multiple times but it would suck if some developers implement it "better" than others

I think it could just be a matter of people getting used to laying their palm on the screen. We've been so accustomed to keeping our palms off the screen while drawing with a stylus that it sometimes just becomes habit. I know from the Pixar and Disney videos that artists were doing just fine drawing normally with the edge of their palm on the screen.

 

[smoking monkey]

I think there is a market for the iPad Pro, but let's chop the iPad line. All we need is one iPad mini, one iPad Air and one iPad Pro. Anything more is unfocused fluff.

Isn't that what there is now? mini, air2, Pro.

Yep, console-class quality graphics. Candy Crush and the other billion freemium shovelware iAd-plagued pay-to-play games on the App Store will never look better!

Ain't that the truth! I've just about given up. Gaming on an iPad had so much potential about 4 years ago and look where it's taken us.

 

[thewap]

And Tim Cook has predicted the death of OS X...

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technolo...-the-PC-and-hints-at-new-medical-product.html

Goodbye Intel?

Tim Cook declares the end of the PC ?, and hints at the monopoly of subscription only Icloud storage and applications devices.... long live ipad pro!

Thought i'd fix that for him..

 

[TMRJIJ]

I disagree. MR is not that different from when I first joined. Apple however, is. There have been many outstanding efforts since the end of 2011. There have also been many decisions and products worthy of criticism.

Comparing today's MR forums to years ago even back in 2007, yes it has changed a lot. The most vocal people here are Apple Haters.

This guy said best on the situation:

So many arm chair execs on this forum. If you are not happy about the these things then don't buy. The one thing that the world does not need is people who complain about products that they're not happy with, and yet still buy.

 

[JimmyHook]

This forum has totally changed. No longer a real home for Apple fans. Just desperate haters trying to influence people.

 

[Codeseven]

I don't see the point in spending that much money on a "throw away" device. iOS devices are great for 2 years at least, but more than 3 or 4, and it's going to be bad. Look at how terrible the iPad 2, iPad mini, iPhone 4S, iPhone 5 run on the latest iOS. Actually see how any iOS device runs on their last supported version. Chances are it sucks. I bought a $1199 MacBook Pro in 2010. Still as fast as it was when I bought it. An iPad from 2010 or iPhone from 2010 or even 2011 is next to useless.

?

My, still going strong after 7yrs, ol' 2008 MBP is running Apples newest OS X, El Capitan, without a single problem. Come to think of it, my iPad Air1 and iPhone 5 are going strong and both are running the newest iOS 9.1, without a problem. I'd like to put the old MBP out to pasture but there's certainly no need to throw any of them away.

 

[cheesyappleuser]

Technically iCloud Drive can be seen as a file system, but it can also been seen as not. For me since it has all of my documents & files from iWorks and pixalmator.

Actually, with the integration that came with iOS 8 I've been using Dropbox as a filesystem, actually. Way more space and way better to share (which I happen to do all the time).

I don't see the point in spending that much money on a "throw away" device. iOS devices are great for 2 years at least, but more than 3 or 4, and it's going to be bad. Look at how terrible the iPad 2, iPad mini, iPhone 4S, iPhone 5 run on the latest iOS. Actually see how any iOS device runs on their last supported version. Chances are it sucks. I bought a $1199 MacBook Pro in 2010. Still as fast as it was when I bought it. An iPad from 2010 or iPhone from 2010 or even 2011 is next to useless.

I guess you're not even factoring how much each of those technologies have evolved over the years. That and the fact that the iPhone 6s is as close from an Intel processor as it gets (and it is already being said, just check out AnandTech) and I don't think that will be a problem from now on.