Correct. Apple really needs to take a note from Telegram here, which has the best edit and delete features and has the added benefit of being OS-agnostic.
I see nothing here that will draw users away from Telegram.
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Edited iMessages in iOS 16 Now Display Original Text, Undo Send Limited to Two Minutes
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I see nothing here that will draw users away from Telegram.
Very dumb change, but not as dumb as nerfing already purchased AirTags and giving thieves the tools to locate high-value bags with AirTags (for example, in the luggage compartment of a train carriage).
Some of their decisions lately are just idiotic and go to show that some of these teams are either completely divorced from reality or not eating their own dog food.
With the fourth betas of iOS 16 and iPadOS 16 that were released today, Apple tweaked the edit and unsend features that are available for iMessages. When you edit a message, the edit history is now sent to the recipient along with the edit, so the original content is visible.
On an edited iMessage, you can tap on the small blue "Edited" label to see the edit history, and it can be hidden again by tapping on "Hide Edits." Prior to this beta, an edited message noted that it was edited, but there was no option to tap and see the previous messages that were sent.
In addition to adding an edit history, iMessages can now only be edited a total of five times before the "Edit" option disappears, but there's still a 15 minute window for making an edit.
As noted by Bloomberg's Mark Gurman, the Edit history can be avoided by unsending an iMessage and resending it, but Apple has also implemented an Undo Send limitation. You're now only able to unsend an iMessage for up to two minutes after it's delivered, down from the original 15 minute timing.
It is worth noting that Undo Send and Edit are limited to iOS 16 devices, and the original messages are displayed on devices running iOS 15 or earlier.
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What is Apple thinking?? This defeats the purpose of editing. The reason a person edits something is because they want to correct what they originally sent, whether it’s a typo or grammar or maybe they misremembered something or maybe they got something totally wrong. The person editing wants the other person to see the final edit and final edit only.
Further confusing matters, Apple is allowing unsend, which un-defeats the purpose of editing, but only for two minutes.
I can see this blowing up on Apple where a person makes a mistake sending an important text, and for whatever reason (it doesn’t matter) they’re sued for that text, and that person is going to turn around and sue Apple.
I think the Edit feature is useless. If I were Apple, I would just allow Unsend, and I would allow it for 5 minutes, which is more reasonable than both 2 minutes and 15 minutes.
It seems to me this edit feature was a last minute feature idea, and Apple has no idea what they’re doing with it. This is very unlike Apple. This is something Microsoft would screw up, not Apple.
Other than Telegram has been hacked twice now. Lol. I don’t use Telegram for that very reason.
??? The better solution is to not allow edits after the message has been replied to! lol
Maybe so you don't send perverted stuff and pretend you didn't? Or so you don't harass someone and try and take it back? The whole thing is stupid though. If a text arrives on my phone, it is data on my phone. Other people shouldn't* be able to access data on my phone without my permission. *(Except when I need to edit the should to shouldn't, no edits for you)
That’s a really, really dumb example. If anyone sees that type of text come across they can just take a screenshot. And IF it was edited before they read it, then we get into a situation where people are being arrested for thought crimes. And third, if a person can Unsend a text, then the evidence completely disappears anyways.
Apple should just get rid of the whole edit thing, and leave unsend functional with a timeout of 5 minutes.
That’s what Unsend does! You can harass someone and then Unsend it. Duh??
Because some people can say things because they were in the moment and the feeling about what they said Could change.
yes you can with iOS 16 to iOS 16…can unsend a message for up to 2 minutes after sending it.
This is almost certainly to keep Apple from getting a subpoena for someone’s message history every single time someone wants to use a message history with edit annotations as evidence in a legal proceeding or court. Abusive lover sending threatening texts and then editing them afterward. No way for the recipient to display the edits would turn into hundreds to thousands of legal requests to Apple a week.
And let’s be real here for a minute… There are an awful lot of people butthurt over the fact that there is a non zero chance someone might hit a button and reveal their embarrassing typo. Somehow that is more concerning to them than the almost certain possibility for this feature to be abused in order to hurt others. Only being able to edit unread messages doesn’t work either as someone could easily see the message in a notification before taking an action that would mark it read.
If that ruins it for you, don’t use it. Simple. It’s still a useful tool for making a conversation clearer/easier to follow.
And let’s be real here for a minute… There are an awful lot of people butthurt over the fact that there is a non zero chance someone might hit a button and reveal their embarrassing typo. Somehow that is more concerning to them than the almost certain possibility for this feature to be abused in order to hurt others. Only being able to edit unread messages doesn’t work either as someone could easily see the message in a notification before taking an action that would mark it read.
If that ruins it for you, don’t use it. Simple. It’s still a useful tool for making a conversation clearer/easier to follow.
How do you know it’s truly unread? You can read new messages from the Lock Screen or Notification Center, but it won’t get marked as unread until it’s opened in the Messages app.
I was nervous for a moment. I thought you were going to examine the AirTag analogy.
We all make mistakes at one point or another. The ability to slander people because of a text or email comment is a joke. I think every platform needs an undo feature. If the receiver doesn’t read it, where is the harm?
Editing should be about typos, not ideas. When you change your view about the content of your earlier message, you should tell about it.
Otherwise it’s hard to follow.
“editted, 5 words changed”, something like that would work…
Edit history isn't stopping you. If you aren't okay with them possibly reading it you have to think about that beforehand. Once it's sent it could already have been seen.
In life there is no editing or undoing things you've said. Now if we're specifically talking about unread messages I could get on board with that, but there's no reliable way to know if a message was seen.
They can read it as a notification workout actually clicking into it and marking it Read.
So, if this feature has so many consequences and huge potential to abuse, why waste time and money to develop it? Just like CSAM? Or some other stuff? Yes, abusers would take advantage of edit feature, but so does people with legit purposes.
This whole change almost feel like Apple unable to find a balance between abuse and legit use after implementing it. Id say pull it in the next beta and issue a statement saying this feature opens for abuse and call it a day.
This whole change almost feel like Apple unable to find a balance between abuse and legit use after implementing it. Id say pull it in the next beta and issue a statement saying this feature opens for abuse and call it a day.
It doesn’t make sense to have to 15 minute window AND an edit history.
If you are going to have a history, take away the 15 minute window and let people edit whenever they want up to 5 times since people can always access the original.
Or if you are going to have a short window of time like 15 minutes to be able to edit a mistake, take away the history. Make the window even shorter if you need to, like 5 minutes.
You gotta pick your poison, unfortunately.
- iMessage is 5-10 years outdated and doesn't work if a single person in a group is using Android
- Telegram has had 1,000+ accounts hacked
- Signal is clumsy, lacks features, and has the smallest userbase
- WhatsApp is owned by satan incarnate