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EFiX Allows Mac OS X to Boot on a PC
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Oh, I disagree.
Disagreement is what keeps these forums interesting, eh?
Apple states OS X is meant to be installed and run on Apple hardware. Third party hardware with a dongle doesn't qualify. If you're the company making that dongle, you're going to be in Apple legal's crosshairs.
In legal terms they're culpable. Their product enables users to break both the EULA and the copyright agreement for OS X. It's analogous to someone providing the blueprints to build a suitcase nuke along with the detonator and then saying they're not responsible for what happens when someone builds one.
That's a pretty leaky boat you're rowing there. The fact is that many of operators of these torrent sites are being or have been sued by both the MPAA and the RIAA.
They could use the same Mac Pro case, its about the same size as the xps 630. Just substitute the 1000w PS to a 750w, and replace the xeon 5400 combo with a core 2 quad/x48 one.
Then OSX will run into the same compatibility problems that Windows run into & Apple will just turn like Microsoft. Not a lot of people would want that. I hope. !!!!
Apple proved that its primarily a hardware company by giving users the ability to also run windows via boot camp. I certainly hope they dont just sell OSX to run on any PC.
WHy would anyone compare the iMac specs to laptop specs? iMac specs are certainly comparable to any desktop specs...granted they dont have a quad core version yet...just wait cant u people. If u want to run ur computer on a different monitor or HDTV of ur preference...u can still do that with the iMacs.
A picture is worth thousand words.
Not quite the same, really ....
Apple may not be "selling what people want" because they don't feel like the benefits outweigh the negatives for them at this point in time.
Apple's core focus (currently) is on "media professionals" (by that, I mean anyone from video editors and producers to pro musicians and recording studio engineers, to pro photographers) at the high-end, and the "casual computer user" at the mid to low end.
They feel like they're pretty well equipped to cater to these audiences. (They can help a beginner or casual user, say, migrate all their data from a Windows PC to a new Mac, or provide them with a machine that basically "just works" in more scenarios than a Windows counterpart. EG. Much less virus/spyware concern, the iLife suite making it easy to download from a digital camera or camcorder and work with the results, publish to the web, etc.)
They've been long-established in the media market, at the high end, so they know what to expect from those customers too. Systems like the Mac Pro are largely designed around their needs and past requests.
The "power user" consumer, however, is another story. These people are concerned with getting the highest possible frame-rates in 3D games, or having the best possible benchmark scores on everything from hard disk access to video, while still paying less than "the other guy" for it all. They tend to be "know it alls" who shun ideas like the "Apple geniuses" (because they don't have the depth of knowledge they demand for free, when they come in to ask questions). They demand as many *options* as possible be able to plug into their machine and work properly, rather than accepting the notion that "perhaps, less is more?".
I'm not sure Apple isn't *purposely* avoiding selling the mid-range desktop computers, specifically so they can skip over these people?! They may well figure, "Hey, if you *really* want what we happen to think is a superior operating system and computer experience, you can pony up the money for a Mac Pro and have everything you need ... or just buy an iMac like the rest of our customers do. It's good enough for educational institutions and every casual user and "newbie" we've seen. It's *likely* good enough for you too, if you'd get over your obsession with benchmarks and having to play every single new game that comes out, no matter how insanely high its system requirements are."
Apple may not be "selling what people want" because they don't feel like the benefits outweigh the negatives for them at this point in time.
Apple's core focus (currently) is on "media professionals" (by that, I mean anyone from video editors and producers to pro musicians and recording studio engineers, to pro photographers) at the high-end, and the "casual computer user" at the mid to low end.
They feel like they're pretty well equipped to cater to these audiences. (They can help a beginner or casual user, say, migrate all their data from a Windows PC to a new Mac, or provide them with a machine that basically "just works" in more scenarios than a Windows counterpart. EG. Much less virus/spyware concern, the iLife suite making it easy to download from a digital camera or camcorder and work with the results, publish to the web, etc.)
They've been long-established in the media market, at the high end, so they know what to expect from those customers too. Systems like the Mac Pro are largely designed around their needs and past requests.
The "power user" consumer, however, is another story. These people are concerned with getting the highest possible frame-rates in 3D games, or having the best possible benchmark scores on everything from hard disk access to video, while still paying less than "the other guy" for it all. They tend to be "know it alls" who shun ideas like the "Apple geniuses" (because they don't have the depth of knowledge they demand for free, when they come in to ask questions). They demand as many *options* as possible be able to plug into their machine and work properly, rather than accepting the notion that "perhaps, less is more?".
I'm not sure Apple isn't *purposely* avoiding selling the mid-range desktop computers, specifically so they can skip over these people?! They may well figure, "Hey, if you *really* want what we happen to think is a superior operating system and computer experience, you can pony up the money for a Mac Pro and have everything you need ... or just buy an iMac like the rest of our customers do. It's good enough for educational institutions and every casual user and "newbie" we've seen. It's *likely* good enough for you too, if you'd get over your obsession with benchmarks and having to play every single new game that comes out, no matter how insanely high its system requirements are."
Why anyone that loves Apple products (especially OSX) would support this type of thing is beyond me.
Just stop and think for a moment and ask your self this question: If Apple were to only make $129 per copy of OS X and did not also obtain profit from the sale of hardware, do you think that Apple would be able to do the R&D that resulted in all the great Apple products you love? The answer is no. In fact, I doubt that Apple even comes close to recovering its costs for R&D of OS X development from the $129/copy that it charges (much less the $199/5 copy family pack). Apple derives its income from multiple sources, including hardware. Every time someone puts together a Hacintosh Apple is only being paid a small portion of the cost of developing OS X (assuming the Hacintosh builder actually paid for his copy of OS X). If this were to go on to any great extent, it would prevent Apple from developing the great products you all love. Apple would have to operate like M$ and no one would like that.
So before you talk about how wonderful this is, think about the effect this type of device could have on future Apple product development.
Dave
Just stop and think for a moment and ask your self this question: If Apple were to only make $129 per copy of OS X and did not also obtain profit from the sale of hardware, do you think that Apple would be able to do the R&D that resulted in all the great Apple products you love? The answer is no. In fact, I doubt that Apple even comes close to recovering its costs for R&D of OS X development from the $129/copy that it charges (much less the $199/5 copy family pack). Apple derives its income from multiple sources, including hardware. Every time someone puts together a Hacintosh Apple is only being paid a small portion of the cost of developing OS X (assuming the Hacintosh builder actually paid for his copy of OS X). If this were to go on to any great extent, it would prevent Apple from developing the great products you all love. Apple would have to operate like M$ and no one would like that.
So before you talk about how wonderful this is, think about the effect this type of device could have on future Apple product development.
Dave
Has anyone else noticed that all links on the EFI-X website beyond the Home Page are dead with an SQL database error...?
Sun is not just like Apple. One of the problems with Sun is that they couldn't compete with PC processors. They had good technology but the PC industry swallowed the workstation and small sever industry. Apple doesn't have to worry about that because they're in bed with the devil already... so to speak.
I'm game to try it out. If I thought the next 20" iMac would have a quad-core option, I probably wouldn't, but knowing Apple they're going to make you buy the 24" to get the Quad-core bto (assuming they offer it at all). And the single CPU Mac Pro doesn't seem like a very good buy to me. I have most of this hardware already and even a 3870 that is woefully underused being in my XP machine and not my iMac. I'm sure Apple will be ok - they just got my $400 for a G2 Ipod Touch.
Selfishness at it's best!
Wow, that 14 pages was a long read. A lot of people have made good points, but my overwhelming thought is GROW UP FOLKS! I'm so tired of the self centered argument. "Apple doesn't make what I want, blah blah blah." Get over it. Ferrari doesn't make a pick up truck and my PDA doesn't scramble eggs either. Just because you want something doesn't mean any specific company,
in this case, should make it. For those of you that want a mid range tower and have the ability to build it, good for you and bless you, build away. For those of you who can't build a computer then do what everyone else does, look at your options and make the best choice you can. For some that means making some sacrifices and for others it means saving your money and buying a little more than you need. No doubt about it, pays big bucks to analyze the market and determine what product lines are best at any given time. No company is in the business of making every product that every consumer wants. As for the EFI dongle, we'll see in the future if it goes the same way as Psystar or if it takes hold in the hackintosh world. Either way, if you want one buy it, but please stop whining about how should make the specific product you want.
Rant over. Sorry, I just needed to get that out.
Wow, that 14 pages was a long read. A lot of people have made good points, but my overwhelming thought is GROW UP FOLKS! I'm so tired of the self centered argument. "Apple doesn't make what I want, blah blah blah." Get over it. Ferrari doesn't make a pick up truck and my PDA doesn't scramble eggs either. Just because you want something doesn't mean any specific company,
in this case, should make it. For those of you that want a mid range tower and have the ability to build it, good for you and bless you, build away. For those of you who can't build a computer then do what everyone else does, look at your options and make the best choice you can. For some that means making some sacrifices and for others it means saving your money and buying a little more than you need. No doubt about it, pays big bucks to analyze the market and determine what product lines are best at any given time. No company is in the business of making every product that every consumer wants. As for the EFI dongle, we'll see in the future if it goes the same way as Psystar or if it takes hold in the hackintosh world. Either way, if you want one buy it, but please stop whining about how should make the specific product you want.Rant over. Sorry, I just needed to get that out.
WHy would anyone compare the iMac specs to laptop specs? iMac specs are certainly comparable to any desktop specs...granted they dont have a quad core version yet...just wait cant u people. If u want to run ur computer on a different monitor or HDTV of ur preference...u can still do that with the iMacs.
A picture is worth thousand words.
****! The webcam broke. I'll just send it in to get fixed
HAHA! So funny! And so true. Yes, we need hardware options and Apple refuses to give us that. Long live EFiX and may Apple one day repent from their customer-extortion!
There's no way for you to verify this and I disagree completely.
I'm under the impression that people who buy EFiX are PC customers who want to run OS X. I'm also under the impression that people who buy Macs are Mac customers that want to own a Mac. If anything this will result in PC customers who end up buying Macs, or at the very least more copies of OS X because they realize how much better it is. I doubt Mac people are going to suddenly realize they can get a cheaper, unsupported option and jump ship from a company they're loyal to.
Sure, you could buy a cheap PC and buy EFiX (or any clones that are sure to follow). But will it work? Maybe. Is there support? No. Do you have any guarantee that you're protected against any future upgrades or software changes? No. Is the machine itself as good as what Apple sells you? Probably not.
The threat to Apple is from Microsoft. I hope people don't forget this.
And Apple will never be like Microsoft because Apple actually delivers quality software.
You want to run OSX on a machine in a niche Apple doesn't compete in.
E.G. a desktop smaller than a Mac Pro but bigger than a Mini with a real graphics card, etc. Or a true ultraportable smaller than the Macbook Air.
You can also put together a top of the line PC much cheaper than the Mac Pro.
On Apple hardware you don't get much flexibility in video cards, etc.
Mostly it's to triple boot Windows/Linux/OSX.
I didn't see any clause in Apple's EULA that says you are putting yourself into slavery. Maybe you can help us find it? If not, exactly which clause in the Apple EULA do you think is illegal, and why?
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Well put.
Whenever I decide to upgrade my PC I might try this, but $155 seems a little pricey. Maybe it's just me though.
Again, I am not assuming that Apple's EULA is legal. A court will assume that it is until proven otherwise. At least, that is how it works in the US.
What I said was that "violating a legal contract (not just Apple's EULA) is illegal."
I own a car myself, and I use it for many purposes. Running over pedestrians is not something I use it for; it was never suggested to me to use it for that purpose, and I have no intention to do it, it didn't even occur to me that people might want to do this. With Psystar, the situation is different: They sell a computer whose only point of existence is breach of Apple's EULA. And I think if you go to a car dealer and tell him "I need a car to run over my neighbour, which one is most likely to kill him?", then the car dealer _will_ be in severe trouble if he sells me a car and I use it to kill my neighbour.
Actually, it's more like:
"Damn, the webcam isn't working. I'll make an appointment at the Apple Store and come home with a replacement."
Stuff like that never happens anyway. I've never had an iMac fail on me in any way. The hardware configuration doesn't change at all (all in the unit), and it's not exposed for any wear or tear (again, one unit).
Please! If your PC webcam broke you'd buying a new one. Same thing with all the other parts. There isn't a PC on the market that has good service and support unless you pay for the high end workstations that cost a few hundred more than the Mac Pro.
Get f**king real!
And stop comparing the Mac Pro to regular NON XEON quad and octo core systems. The machine is priced high, but mainly because Apple had to use those expensive Xeon chips.