EFiX Allows Mac OS X to Boot on a PC

[richard.mac]

Hey newbie, what normal user needs a $1500 SERVER processor???? Nice try though.

err thats the processors that come with the stock Mac Pro. show me where i said "normal user". for a professional video editor, musician, graphics renderer 2 Xeon CPUs is crucial as time is money.

And the standard Mac Pro does not have dual-quad core.

err yes it does! im talking about the stock Mac Pro. go here and click "Configure Now". what is selected under "Processor"? and then have a closer look at the Newegg build.

only purchasing a single CPU Mac Pro doesnt make a difference. choosing the dual CPU option is actually cheaper from buying the same CPU and heatsink elsewhere.

argument over!

 

[matticus008]

Doesn't anyone here actually know what "illegal" means? For the love of christ, that's violating a EULA. Punishable only by being forced to pay damages in a civil court, you cannot go to jail.

I don't know where this idea got started, but 'illegal' does not mean 'tried in criminal court'. It does not mean that you face jail time. It never has. It is defined as "Forbidden by law; unlawful." Black's, 8th.

A court is not permitted to impose punishment for anything not constituting a violation of law. Even in matters of equity, there must be some wrong committed that is recognized in the corpus of law that demands relief. Consider something like divorce: a court may only authorize a divorce based on the idea that failure to do so would violate a legally recognized right or entitlement.

Other things that are illegal but do not necessarily involve jail time: speeding, discrimination in the workplace, failure of a landlord to make timely repairs, sexual harassment, smoking within 25 feet of entrances, keeping certain animals as pets, parking contrary to posted limits.

There is no law saying, "thou shalt not use this software on unlicensed hardware."

Sure there is, premised both on copyright law and on contract law. A contract establishes a legally binding obligation. Breach of contract is against the law. It is illegal. Infringement of copyright is against the law. It is illegal.

Furthermore, copyright infringement is a criminal offense and is punishable by jail time under certain circumstances.

Stop throwing around words you obviously don't understand.

Please do.

 

[deggs37]

err thats the processors that come with the stock Mac Pro. show me where i said "normal user". for a professional video editor, musician, graphics renderer 2 Xeon CPUs is crucial as time is money.



err yes it does! im talking about the stock Mac Pro. go here and click "Configure Now". what is selected under "Processor"? and then have a closer look at the Newegg build.

only purchasing a single CPU Mac Pro doesnt make a difference. choosing the dual CPU option is actually cheaper from buying the same CPU and heatsink elsewhere.

We are arguing for different sakes then, I am talking about the normal user and not professionals. I know it is called Mac Pro, but the iMac just isn't good enough for more than basic needs. If only Apple would release a sub $2000 desktop without laptop parts.

 

[fuziwuzi]

Am I correct in assuming that any user using this device would be violating Apple's EULA?

yeah there is an off quote i can't remember. something like u can install on only apple logo'ed hardware. it's kinda iffy.

 

[richard.mac]

We are arguing for different sakes then, I am talking about the normal user and not professionals. I know it is called Mac Pro, but the iMac just isn't good enough for more than basic needs. If only Apple would release a sub $2000 desktop without laptop parts.

i was simply stating that the Mac Pro is of impeccable value. i agree that theres too big of a gap between the iMac and Mac Pro. where art thou mid-ranged Mac? condolences.

 

[Peace]

We are arguing for different sakes then, I am talking about the normal user and not professionals. I know it is called Mac Pro, but the iMac just isn't good enough for more than basic needs. If only Apple would release a sub $2000 desktop without laptop parts.

That is the crux of the PC/Mac argument. If Apple did make a "mini-tower" for a cheaper price these companies wouldn't even exist.

 

[gifford]

That is the crux of the PC/Mac argument. If Apple did make a "mini-tower" for a cheaper price these companies wouldn't even exist.

And if Apple made every device everyone wanted, Apple also would not exist.

 

[richard.mac]

And if Apple made every device everyone wanted, Apple also would not exist.

GREAT SCOTT!

 

[OriginalMacRat]

So do Apple sue?
Or do we get the expandable desktop computer we have been begging for?

Go buy Windows already.

 

[nick9191]

How could it not save money? You have no idea do you?

I could build a $3000 mac pro for $1200 tops.

You cannot build a Mac Pro cheaper than they sell it.

You fail.

 

[kis]

Links to prices for barebone components that are the same as the Mac Pro but half as expensive.

Mainboard 565.05.-

http://www.techmania.ch/empty/empty/499311/empty/empty/details.htm?sessionID=1408

Proz: 2x 1095.50

http://www.internet.ch/product_info.php?products_id=770146&ad=Toppreise&language=en

RAM: 109.-

http://www.tradeplus.ch/index.php?artikel=84995&refer=toppreise

Case + Power Supply: 149.90.-

http://www.stegcomputer.ch/details.asp?prodid=arc-eco-t4

Graphics:

149.90.-
nVidia Geforce 8800

Harddisk 320gb:

69.90.-

http://www.stegcomputer.ch/details.asp?prodid=sam-hd322hj

DVD Burner:

44.90.-
http://www.stegcomputer.ch/details.asp?prodid=lit-20a4h

Expansion to dual gigabit Ethernet (1x onboard)

1x 39.90
http://www.stegcomputer.ch/details.asp?prodid=int-8391gt


3319.55.- Vs. Mac Pro 4928.99 - difference: 1600 CHF

You're right, it's not half as much (although I have to say that I'd probably find most components cheaper if I looked more carefully) - but the price difference is 1600 CHF - which buys me an additional Macbook.

Also, if you start adding additional components like more RAM, bigger harddrives etc., the differences become even bigger as Apple charges way too much for their stuff. They're also selling models with obsolete hardware (like the ATI Radeon HD 2600 XT 256MB they put in the standard config and the 2.8ghz Xeon Processor which doesn't seem to be available anymore).

Would I still prefer a Mac Pro to this? Heck yeah. But as I said, I can't afford one.

peter

 

[kis]

You cannot build a Mac Pro cheaper than they sell it.

You fail.

look at my post above.

 

[Ironduke]

I hope this helps change apples strategy.

We all want the latest and greatest, and that is why apple should always have its latest OSX only on the mac's but I cant see why apple dont allow Tiger to be licensed by the likes of Sony for the PS3, all apple has to do is make them pay through the r sole and its all good.

I would pay double to have a clean working version of Tiger on my PS3, if it had certain optimisations for the ps3 gfx

 

[gifford]

Look at the craftsmanship ...

pure elegance.

 

[gnasher729]

Heck Psystar can just start installing these little gizmos into their Open Computer and their in business.

Apple has written a complaint of about 30 pages against Psystar. From a legal point of view, I think we can ignore Psystar's counterclaims, which were written either for purposes of entertaining the public, as a practical joke, or for purposes of harassment. Most of Apple's complaint are about copyright infringement, which have already happened, and stopping to commit copyright infringement will not help them. So Psystar is toast.

 

[kis]

Look at the craftsmanship ...

pure elegance.

Well, sure enough now the "better looks are worth 1400$ to me" people are bound to show up.

 

[kis]

Apple has written a complaint of about 30 pages against Psystar. From a legal point of view, I think we can ignore Psystar's counterclaims, which were written either for purposes of entertaining the public, as a practical joke, or for purposes of harassment. Most of Apple's complaint are about copyright infringement, which have already happened, and stopping to commit copyright infringement will not help them. So Psystar is toast.

yes, they're toast because they sold computers with modified versions of mac OS installed - and that's illegal. efix don't sell any kind of modified software

 

[Peace]

Mainboard 565.05.-

http://www.techmania.ch/empty/empty/499311/empty/empty/details.htm?sessionID=1408

That motherboard isn't even on the list of compatible boards and it doesn't have a 1600Mhz FSB like the Mac Pro. And you forgot the price of $650

Proz: 2x 1095.50

You didn't read my post. These processors only support a 1333Mhz FSB unlike the 1600 Mhz in the Mac Pro.

My link had a better price too.

http://www.internet.ch/product_info.php?products_id=770146&ad=Toppreise&language=en

RAM: 109.-

http://www.tradeplus.ch/index.php?a...stegcomputer.ch/details.asp?prodid=arc-eco-t4

Graphics:

149.90.-
nVidia Geforce 8800

You won't find one that has a BIOS for OSX at that price. Maybe $225

Harddisk 320gb:

69.90.-

http://www.stegcomputer.ch/details.asp?prodid=sam-hd322hj

DVD Burner:

44.90.-
http://www.stegcomputer.ch/details.asp?prodid=lit-20a4h

Expansion to dual gigabit Ethernet (1x onboard)

1x 39.90
http://www.stegcomputer.ch/details.asp?prodid=int-8391gt


3319.55.- Vs. Mac Pro 4928.99 - difference: 1600 CHF

You're right, it's not half as much (although I have to say that I'd probably find most components cheaper if I looked more carefully) - but the price difference is 1600 CHF - which buys me an additional Macbook.

Would prefer a Mac Pro to this? Heck yeah. But as I said, I can't afford one.

peter

Your motherboard---$650.00 + S+H and slower FSB
Your CPU's ( not as good as the Mac Pro CPU's. Slower FSB---$1950
The correct memory--$165 +S+H

Just those parts add up to the base price of a Mac Pro.


You really should study more.

 

[macidiot]

That line of argument did not work for Napster.

If Apple releases a $1000 headless desktop, the need for all this struggle would fade away, but Apple seems to believe that the potential market is too small to make a new product line worthwhile.

Yes, but the circumstances are completely different. Apple is not the RIAA. While Apple is quick to protect its IP, I haven't heard of them resorting to draconian and/or illegal practices to falsely prosecute people. Or suing dead people for infringement. And even so, I believe there were issues with Napster directly facilitating illegal filesharing, leaving them liable. A better example would be bittorrent software. While some of the torrent aggregators have been found liable, the software developers have not.

And again, suing for osx license violations, while possibly valid, seems a waste of time if Apple can sue for efi code theft. The osx violation argument is a red herring.

Additionally, as someone else pointed out, this is hardly a dire threat to Apple. The vast majority of customers have little or no interest in this. For example, how many people actually take the trouble to setup or use bootcamp or virtualization solutions on the Mac? Apple tends to generally put up token resistance or ignore such hacking attempts. Examples would be hackintosh efforts or jailbreaking iPhones.

If Apple cared so much about osx installations, they'd have started using registration codes long ago.

 

[Tensakun]

Just one thing - I'm really excited about this. Looks great. I'll see how it goes, but if everything goes well, I might sell my Macbook, buy a powerful 17" laptop PC for $1500, and install OS X through this.

Right on. But note on their site that now they just have units for desktops, with notebook units to come sometime in the future.

I sometimes give seminars at the main Panasonic training center outside Osaka. Would love to walk in with a Let's Note (US: Toughbook), watch their smirks as they mutter "that nut finally gave up Mac!", hook up to the projector, and watch their eyes pop out as OS X fills the screen.

 

[gifford]

Well, sure now the "better looks are worth 1400$ to me" people are bound to show up.

haha. Well, the point is, if we all started buying cheapo boxes, there would be no iPhones, no elegant designs, no further development of osx, no Apple.

Apples business model allows me to use cutting edge integrated hardware and software that I find a pleasure to use. Take the current model away, the innovation will die, and Apple will be forced to shift tactics, adopting a model similar to MSFT, which we all know works so well...

 

[kis]

Your motherboard---$650.00 + S+H and slower FSB
Your CPU's ( not as good as the Mac Pro CPU's. Slower FSB---$1950
The correct memory--$165 +S+H

Just those parts add up to the base price of a Mac Pro.

Hard to tell - the X5472 isn't available in retail in Switzerland. And I maintain that building it yourself is still a lot cheaper.

 

[kis]

haha. Well, the point is, if we all started buying cheapo boxes, there would be no iPhones, no elegant designs, no further development of osx, no Apple.

Read my post. I'm not in favor of buying cheapo boxes if I can afford the one Apple makes.

Apart from that - the iPhone 3G is definitely cheapo compared to the 1st version.


Anyway, the fanboys here have their opinion, I have my own.

 

[Peace]

Read my post. I'm not in favor of buying cheapo boxes if I can afford the one Apple makes.

Apart from that - the iPhone 3G is definitely cheapo compared to the 1st version.


Anyway, the fanboys here have their opinion, I have my own.

My post wasn't an opinion. It was a fact. If you can't see that you are in for trouble when you build your own "Mac Pro".

 

[kis]

Just those parts add up to the base price of a Mac Pro.


You really should study more.

I didn't use the base model in my comparison - I changed the graphics card to something useful and used the 3ghz processor instead of the base model's 2.8ghz.

Anyway, I don't see a point in discussing this any further - I believe I've made my point. I'm glad that there seem to be plenty of people who are able to afford Mac Pros, so I guess Apple is right in ignoring the mid-range market.

peter