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What a load of crap coming from a guy whose company won’t let consumers fix their own Tesla’s, and will in fact turn off access to the Supercharger network, or they brick the car, when someone repairs a Tesla outside of their own authorized facilities. Hmm, doesn’t sound like an open system to me.

Tesla allows more than Apple. If Apple made cars their DIY list would be blank in comparison, repair cost would be almost as much as the price of a new car, requires proprietary tires through Apple stealership, etc.

https://www.tesla.com/support/do-it-yourself-model-3
 
I like Elon, but he does run his mouth off a lot. As a consumer, I vastly prefer Apple’s way of doing things. I have other options if I want to use them.

Comparing using Tesla chargers for other brands (a good thing) is backwards: ask Musk if he’s okay with Tesla owners charging their cars on anyone’s chargers, rather than the other way around.
well said
 
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It's interesting to me that others feel they have a handle on how much it costs to run an App Store. Consider the backend: data center, computers, power, cooling, maintenance, code reviews, etc.

There's a cost associated with the App Store and then of course there's some revenue that should be associated with it too. Is Apple just supposed to eat the cost? Give me a fricking break.

What I hear is "Man, Apple makes a ton of money... I wish I had some of that... and since I don't, I'm going to bitch about it in the press and litigate it in the courts..."
Don't forget the operating system itself. Making APIs, sensors, SDKs, etc. available to the devs is a significant effort.
 
Coming from the guy that makes paid software upgrades for you to get the most out of the car and then wipes them once a new owner takes possession of the car and makes them pay again if they want it.

Wow I never knew they did that! That’s incredibly underhanded. You lose value on the car you’ve paid for, I’d question the legality of that in certain markets even?
 
It's much more intertwined and complicated than that.

Apple uses the control to drive hardware sales (with huge margins, even more control, large upgrade markups -- and the cycle feeds itself).
If a company creates a business from nothing, then there should be some financial benefit from it. No one had a problem with the App Store prior to it being so darned successful...
 
I don't understand why all the Apple fanboys defend Apple so vigorously in this app store fee debate. Do they not realize that Apple's behavior is not at all in their interest?
Neither is Epic's behaviour in end users interest. They just want to save money. It's ok to take sides in a debate. You don't need to label people as fanboys. There are plenty of other things to use the fanboy label for.
 
Comparing using Tesla chargers for other brands (a good thing) is backwards: ask Musk if he’s okay with Tesla owners charging their cars on anyone’s chargers, rather than the other way around.
He is absolutely okay with that. The original Roadster had a CHAdeMO port for charging at non-Tesla controlled chargers. Tesla sells dozens of adapters to use non-Tesla controlled chargers.

The one type of charger that Tesla owners cannot use is CCS within North America - I think that largely just comes down to the fact that the low number of stations makes it a low priority issue.
 
Tesla cars are the most "walled-garden" EVs. I deeply admire Elon as an engineer, but this guy should stop acting like a celebrity and should really ****.
He’s not an engineer. He’s never been educated as an engineer. He has an Economics degree from the University of Pennsylvania. How a rumor of dropping out of graduate school @ Stanford studying engineering to pursue his fortunes started says everything about how lazy people are to research others.

It reminds me of the rumor that my old boss Steven P. Jobs was studying Physics @ Reid University. He never did. Or the claim that Tim Cook is just another MBA when he graduated in Industrial Engineering from Auburn University.

My fellow Mechanical Engineering grads and I get real tired of the illustrious claims about Elon Musk just because he hired a bunch of fellow Mechanical Engineers ex-NASA who make him an icon for today with SpaceX. He’s basically a very successful venture capitalist like Mark Cuban.
 
I like Elon, but he does run his mouth off a lot. As a consumer, I vastly prefer Apple’s way of doing things. I have other options if I want to use them.

Comparing using Tesla chargers for other brands (a good thing) is backwards: ask Musk if he’s okay with Tesla owners charging their cars on anyone’s chargers, rather than the other way around.
All Tesla's come with an adapter to use 3rd party chargers. Not sure what you are talking about there. They even sell an adapter to use 3rd party DC fast chargers too. It's on their website.
 
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The much BIGGER issue is that Apple has a Complete & Total Stranglehold on "App Discovery".

If Apple had competition WRT "App Discovery", UN-Discovered Gem Apps would (finally) have a chance to flourish !

Otherwise, such apps need an Investment (for marketing purposes) AND/OR a Grass Roots Campaign to gain traction.

Musk looks @ the world through Horse Blinders !

Just look @ the Today tab of Apple's App Store App today !

What kind of apps do you see ?

NOT Rocket Science, Apple knows what some App Devs know, that Apple has driven away most Adults from the App Store !

Third-Party "App Discovery" App Stores, which get a 1/3 cut of Apple's cut, is the solution !

"App Discovery" probably affects 1,000x more apps than Pricing !
 
Completely agree.
I think in Apple land it just confuses people.

The inside of the walled garden can be very comfortable (until it is not - and by then it's too late)

It also requires thought to recognize how much we don't get - what never gets thought of or made - due to monopolization, control, concentration of all talent, etc.
It's perfectly fine to enjoy a walled garden as a consumer. It's also a good idea to make sure you bring a ladder in with you so you can leave whenever you want, and you need to use that ladder to encourage competition from time to time.
 
Yet you still can't get CarPlay on a Tesla or have anyone EXCEPT a Tesla Service Center work on your Tesla vehicle. One man in a walled garden throwing trash into another man's walled garden. 🤣
You can have other people work on your Tesla, just don't expect it to be covered by warranty if it fails.

Tesla doesn't even do everything at their service center. They outsource it to body shops or tire shops. Nobody is forcing you to only go to Tesla.
 
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Completely agree.
I think in Apple land it just confuses people.

The inside of the walled garden can be very comfortable (until it is not - and by then it's too late)

It also requires thought to recognize how much we don't get - what never gets thought of or made - due to monopolization, control, concentration of all talent, etc.

Yes and No, try to repair a tesla yourself and they will likely cut you off from supercharging and charing on any other networks.
 
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