Elon Musk Claims Apple Has 'Mostly Stopped' Offering Ads on Twitter and Is Making Moderation Demands

[steve09090]

We know Tim action did more physical harm to workers in China. Such as child labor, protests.

Should you apply same standard and not use any of apple product?

Stop being bias.

If you leave Tesla because of Elon blind push on FSF (I totally understand). But to shot down a brand or a product for because CEO political views. Perhaps you should look at yourself as the one that is biased.

No, he didn't. We've already established that Apple (I have no idea why you hate Tim Cook so much, but he is just the CEO) did an internal audit on companies and has acted positively and continues to do so. I thought we'd cleared that up, but you are just going on and on about it.

Stop being bias.

Do you read these posts before you hit "Post reply"

If you leave Tesla because of Elon blind push on FSF (I totally understand). But to shot down a brand or a product for because CEO political views. Perhaps you should look at yourself as the one that is biased.

Are you saying you are not biased? Have you not done the same to Apple (or as you contend, Tim Cook). Almost all of your comments are about Tim Cook. Clearly, you have an agenda here.

Maybe the algorithm favours right wing amplification because the right wing is funnier and more viral at the moment.

Do you mean funnier, or more divisive? Because being divisive is what gets the clicks.

 

[steve09090]

I hope nothing comes of it. I think there is probably some fire where that smoke is, but I wouldn't (and didn't) criticise Apple until something actually happens.

Possibly is. But it would be very Musk-like if he actually provided proof of something. At this stage, it is all just wah wah from Mr Musk. I don't trust a single thing he says. Although I can't help but admire some of the things he has done. Equally he has done a lot of harm.

 

[steve09090]

Guess people don't like free speech and love that right wing political opponents are being censored by the left like what happened in Germany.

What do you base that on? Who has banned free speech?
Which right-wing political opponents were censored?

 

[nikhsub1]

Prove it please.

Here is someone he recently let back on twitter. Seems like a cool dude, you know, all that free speech.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1597430993161719809

 

[jinnj]

Let’s be real. The left doesn’t like any speech that disagrees with their viewpoint and they want to shut it down.

They learned it from the Right. "Letter right campaigns", sit ins, etc.

 

[KPOM]

Based on what? Who decides whether it's right or not?

What has this even got to do with Tim Cook? Apple has simply reduced its advertising. It hasn't banned Twitter, it hasn't censured anything that Twitter has done.

Why are you even saying this is about Twitter versus Apple or Musk versus Cook? Musk is the one saying that Apple is trying to remove Twitter from the App Store. Apple has said and done nothing. Your comments are talking like its fact, and like much of what has been said, its absolute garbage.

Apple is beholden to China. Eddy Cue has publicly stated that Apple will never criticize the Chinese government. If you can’t see the hypocrisy in that then you are too far gone.

Musk is accusing Apple of threatening to pull Twitter from the App Store. Mind you, Truth Social is on the App Store. So this seems more like a power struggle between Musk and Cook than an actual dispute over moderation.

 

[KPOM]

Here is someone he recently let back on twitter. Seems like a cool dude, you know, all that free speech.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1597430993161719809

So what? If you oppose it, then denounce it. That’s how free speech works.

 

[KPOM]

They learned it from the Right. "Letter right campaigns", sit ins, etc.

Are you kidding me? The Left has been engaged in hate speech since the beginning of time.

 

[Krispykrme]

This is part of the political divide I'm talking about. There were a lot of people who were left leaning who became disillusioned with the democratic party after what it did to Bernie Sanders and the ideas he represented. The whole party, and the whole political left seemed to split in two after this.

After the Democrats forced Hilary into the nomination, it did enough damage that Trump got in,
but instead of owning up to it, they doubled down endlessly. ie, we are perfect and did nothing wrong, and the whole country are just far right racists and that's why we lost.

Many of those Bernie supporters had nowhere to go after the Democratic party decided it stood for the moneyed interests rather than the people, and a chunk of them still have nowhere to go. And those people, the ones who can't stomach the democratic party, but aren't actually right wing, get lumped in with the actual right, and then called far right.

A fair few became democratic zealots over time because of how much they hate Trump, but a lot still have nobody that really represents them. To bring it back to the topic at hand, it's actually quite a small group of people on the far left who want Twitter to censor everyone to the right of them.

What has been happening since 2016 has basically killed left leaning idea from my body.

Turn me into De Santis supporter for next election.

 

[KPOM]

Asking Apple to support free speech is also asking them to support hate, racism, homophobia, etc. Where’s the social or economic value on supporting those specific views? There never has been free speech and there never will be so let’s stop pretending that the US has something special worth protecting.

If you really believe that then move to China were the enlightened leaders police speech for the benefit of society.

 

[jinnj]

Go on then, Microsoft and Amazon failed, and Facebook never even tried to bring one to market, despite it being the obvious move.

You’ve clearly got the business acumen* so let’s see how much of your dad’s emerald mine money you can evaporate on a phone.

Oh and, in case anyone is daft enough to think it wasn’t, not spending on advertising with a platform is absolutely a choice a company is free to make.

*of a bowl of clam chowder.

Correction: Facebook did release a phone and it sucked so bad that it makes the Metaverse look successful! HTC made it for them and they were sour because it was draining the battery in just a couple of hours. It was constantly sending back your location to their servers. Zuck's response to the phone owners? Carry an extra battery.

 

[KPOM]

How is it not alienating?? He told people to vote against another group’s political and moral values. That would also be alienating in the other direction as well, no argument there. And speaking of which, have you not seen the **** slung at Hollywood liberals by those on the right? Frankly, if anyone enters the ring, right or left, they should be prepared to get hit. Here’s a tweet from someone boycotting Robert De Niro’s movies. Hang on, give me a minute to get all worked up about it…

https://twitter.com/x/status/787383780176723973

Grrrr, so angry!!! 😡😡😠😡😠

There we go, am I doing it right?

So every newspaper who ever endorsed a candidate was alienating people?

 

[Jim Lahey]

It’s amusing to me how much attention the Elon Musk Show is garnering. The more cynically minded among us might ponder if it’s all a giant bread & circuses distraction to foster the mindset that a crappy chat website is the nexus of everything. Certainly now it appears quite a few observers feel it’s normal that their freedom to speak is something that is conditionally granted to them by Big Brother. Meanwhile, all-cause mortality is soaring and the roof is about to be put on the digital prison. But don’t look over there, look over here…

 

[steve09090]

Apple is beholden to China. Eddy Cue has publicly stated that Apple will never criticize the Chinese government. If you can’t see the hypocrisy in that then you are too far gone.

Now I don't know where, when, or if Eddy Cue said that (because you provide no proof), but Apple works with China to manufacture and sell phones. What is the actual hypocrisy here? What you've said makes no sense.

Musk is accusing Apple of threatening to pull Twitter from the App Store. Mind you, Truth Social is on the App Store. So this seems more like a power struggle between Musk and Cook than an actual dispute over moderation.

How is there a power struggle? Musk said Apple have reduced Ad spending and they are threatening to pull the app. There has been no evidence to support this at all. Or do you just believe what he has said?

I guess we are all entitled to an opinion but when baseless accusations, like what you've written with no explanation, it's just a waste of time to even say it.

 

[jinnj]

Like Omnicom stated, it's about Brand Safety and all that went out the door with the firings and it's "free speech" movement. They advised all of their clients to pause their "Ad Buys" on Twitter. Omnicom is the world's largest Ad corporation and Apple is one of it's biggest clients.

 

[marinersaptcomplex]

If Truth Social is on the App Store, this immediately kills any “free-speech” argument. There is something else that is causing apple to threaten the removal.

So anyways we basically wasted 30+ pages talking bout a moot point.

 

[KPOM]

Now I don't know where, when, or if Eddy Cue said that (because you provide no proof), but Apple works with China to manufacture and sell phones. What is the actual hypocrisy here? What you've said makes no sense.


How is there a power struggle? Musk said Apple have reduced Ad spending and they are threatening to pull the app. There has been no evidence to support this at all. Or do you just believe what he has said?

I guess we are all entitled to an opinion but when baseless accusations, like what you've written with no explanation, it's just a waste of time to even say it.

Apple Told Some Apple TV+ Show Developers Not To Anger China

We thought trade would bring Western values to China. Instead, it brought Chinese values to Apple.

www.buzzfeednews.com

 

[teh_hunterer]

What has been happening since 2016 has basically killed left leaning idea from my body.

Turn me into De Santis supporter for next election.

And nobody is interested in figuring out why. The democrats aren't capable of self reflection, so they'll never admit what happened, and they're too busy fighting the Trump side of politics now. And the right, most didn't really have much at stake in that 2016 primary anyway, so they don't really know the extent of what happened either.

You have this giant chunk of the left (Bernie nearly won that primary and polling data indicated he would have actually beat Trump in 2016) that is completely unaccounted for. The mainstream left won't acknowledge it, and the right aren't that aware of it. But it does explain some of what's happening.

I don't think there would have been a need for things to get so politically divided if the elites in the democratic party had lost control of it to Bernie Sanders, and Trump had lost the resulting general election. I don't think things would have gotten so extreme that people are clamouring to censor each other on social media, and companies like Apple are allegedly considering removing Twitter.

But no, let's just fight about left vs right as if everyone neatly falls into 2 categories. Everyone on the left is a socialist who wants to turn the world into Nineteen Eighty-Four, and everyone on the right is racist, homophobic and transphobic and wants to turn the world into a theocracy.

 

[macachia]

says the person who won't have apple CarPlay in this Tesla cars

 

[KPOM]

And nobody is interested in figuring out why. The democrats aren't capable of self reflection, so they'll never admit what happened, and they're too busy fighting the Trump side of politics now. And the right, most didn't really have much at stake in that 2016 primary anyway, so they don't really know the extent of what happened either.

You have this giant chunk of the left (Bernie nearly won that primary and polling data indicated he would have actually beat Trump in 2016) that is completely unaccounted for. The mainstream left won't acknowledge it, and the right aren't that aware of it. But it does explain some of what's happening.

I don't think there would have been a need for things to get so politically divided if the elites in the democratic party had lost control of it to Bernie Sanders, and Trump had lost the resulting general election. I don't think things would have gotten so extreme that people are clamouring to censor each other on social media, and companies like Apple are allegedly considering removing Twitter.

But no, let's just fight about left vs right as if everyone neatly falls into 2 categories.

The Right put up with Trump in 2016 because the Supreme Court was at stake. Plus Trump made inroads into the white working class which had traditionally voted Democrat. It was almost enough to win re-election but COVID interfered, putting Trump’s competence into question.

You are correct that the Democrat Establishment didn’t want Bernie in 2016. They also quickly cleared the field in 2020 when it appeared Bernie might win again. The Dem establishment has far more control over their party than the GOP establishment has over its party. It backfired in 2016 but worked for them in 2020. But Dobbs, and a likely conservative majority for another 10-30 years (depending on who wins in 2024) was likely the cost for the Dems and the prize for the GOP in 2016.

 

[steve09090]

Apple Told Some Apple TV+ Show Developers Not To Anger China

We thought trade would bring Western values to China. Instead, it brought Chinese values to Apple.

www.buzzfeednews.com

How is that "Eddy Cue publicly stated"?

Sources in position to know said the instruction was communicated by Eddy Cue. Apple refused to comment…. ​

And you haven't said how Apple have been hypocritical. Ah well. That was rhetorical… I guess.

 

[Krispykrme]

No, he didn't. We've already established that Apple (I have no idea why you hate Tim Cook so much, but he is just the CEO) did an internal audit on companies and has acted positively and continues to do so. I thought we'd cleared that up, but you are just going on and on about it.


Do you read these posts before you hit "Post reply"

Are you saying you are not biased? Have you not done the same to Apple (or as you contend, Tim Cook). Almost all of your comments are about Tim Cook. Clearly, you have an agenda here.


Do you mean funnier, or more divisive? Because being divisive is what gets the clicks.

I used to work for Apple at its super growth days.

I see and know a lot of things. I don’t hate Tim Cook. With out him, Apple wouldn’t provide me with financial freedom that I enjoy today. I can basically choose what I want to do.

I just don’t like all of his virtue signaling. Any old Apple people from 2006-2012 can tell you what really happened and still happening today.

What he did to Tony Blevins is wrong. Because all of us in one way or another have so many dead skeletons in the closet.

I just don’t buy his coolaid. But doesn’t mean didn’t do a good job.

I grew a heart after leaving apple in 2012. I got sick and tired of going to Sendai right after airport open so Apple can get supplier factory started while people still looking for their missing relatives.

I got sick a tired of seeing 100k village uprooted so IPad 2 can rush tostart production in Chengdu which resulted 3 workers being killed on production line.

Don’t pretend to have a heart, when in reality the cut throat practice harm workers even to this date.

 

[KPOM]

says the person who won't have apple CarPlay in this Tesla cars

Tesla is a private company and can do whatever it wants.

 

[KPOM]

HAHAHAHAHA!

How is that publicly stated?

Sources in position to know said the instruction was communicated by Eddy Cue. Apple refused to comment…. ​

HAHAHAHAHA!

Really? 🙄

 

[QCassidy352]

Na. He’s just fed up with the woke and extreme left. He’s moderate.

Moderate? He spends a significant amount of time flirting with alt right accounts and posting memes with some SERIOUS dog whistles. I follow him on Twitter, and I cannot remember a single time he has taken an even slightly left-of-center position on any issue at all other than electric vehicles and climate change (for obvious reasons). His positions range from right-of-center to alt right.

His behavior has more than a touch of the narcissism that we see from a certain former president: Musk basically likes anyone who praises him and lashes out at anyone who criticizes him. Remember the cave diver when the Thai soccer team was trapped in that cave? A lot of this started (or at least got a lot worse) when prominent Dems started calling him out by name (Warren, AOC, Bernie, Robert Reich).

To be fair, a lot of those attacks were unprompted and basically just used Musk as a punching bag to score political points. For example, Warren relentlessly used him as an example of someone who "didn't pay his fair share" despite Musk paying the largest tax bill for any individual in the history of the world last year. It was a specious attack designed to endear Warren to her own base, facts be damned, and most people would have ignored her because - at the end of the day - he's got $200b, and she'll never get the wealth tax she so desperately wants.

But Musk, who is tremendously thin skinned and narcissistic, didn't recognize those attacks as the bland political claptrap that they were and instead took them deeply personally. And, his response was to seek affirmation from the people who agreed with him that those far-left dems were very very mean: the far right.

His public online behavior is now so overtly right wing (tilting towards alt right) that it's hard to see this cycle ever being broken. The further he goes, the more the left scorns him and the right exalts him. Which, in turn, causes him to go even further right.

As I said before, it's sad to see.