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It's about moderation (in the moderate meaning, not to moderate). We have Fox and Murdoch continually and unabatedly having a political agenda. Murdoch Press continue to refuse a moderate debate and censure anything that goes against their political ideas.

If you have a Pro Liberal vs Pro Conservative debate, the conservative debate will ONLY be the one that is survived in that particular media. No one ever questions or is outraged by that.

So why can't that be countered with a view from another political standpoint? Why should Apple be restricted when Murdoch isn't?

I've got no love for Murdoch, as he almost controls politics in my country, but there's a difference between being a media organisation that publishes your own opinion, and being Twitter which lets people publish their own opinions.

Two wrongs don't make a right.
 
That's what Apple require of social media apps: An effective moderation team and functionality.

If there were a lot of child pornography on Twitter and Twitter failed to remove it, they would receive warnings from Apple before the app being removed.
What are you saying Elon is gonna allow CP on Twitter? C'mon when he says free speech he means one political side is not going to dominate the platform. It doesn't mean he is going to allow violence or anything unlawful. People are taking him too literally when he refers to free speech.
 
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You're not making any coherent argument about whether it's morally right. You're just outlining why they can.
Is it morally right to commandeer the things someone else owns for your benefit? If no, then good I guess we agree. If yes, then cool time to start redistributing the wealth of billionaires and millionaires to the lower and middle class. Guess you’ll be voting for Bernie Sanders and the like from now on.

Let’s go even further. Is it morally right to commandeer things in order to make speech that’s antithetical to the owner’s own values? If so, how do I get in touch with Fox News to demand that I be given a one hour nightly show during primetime? I have speech that I have a moral right to make.
 
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Noncontroversial speech doesn’t need protection.

Apple was also in its rights to disable Airdrop in China to appease the CCP. It doesn’t mean they should have done it.
Based on what? Who decides whether it's right or not?
1. I don’t think it’s off topic- given both seems to have split personality. And also this post was also Twitter vs Apple not just only musk vs cook

If musk gets held under microscope, same needs to be applied to Tim cook. Hence I don’t agree with off topic.

Tim wants to take a stand against musk. Then same level of judgement needs to be applied on him and apple.

2. I didn’t ignore it. Perhaps you should understand number 1. It’s about being equal and unbiased comparison and hold both to same standard.
What has this even got to do with Tim Cook? Apple has simply reduced its advertising. It hasn't banned Twitter, it hasn't censured anything that Twitter has done.

Why are you even saying this is about Twitter versus Apple or Musk versus Cook? Musk is the one saying that Apple is trying to remove Twitter from the App Store. Apple has said and done nothing. Your comments are talking like its fact, and like much of what has been said, its absolute garbage.
 
Is it ok that Elon Musk "bent the knee" to the CCP to build a gigafactory in Shanghai? Tesla gigafactory #3 is the largest factory in the world by production volume.
Bad choices are bad regardless of who makes them.
 
This is a game at this point. I’m not sure what the end goal is for Musk and his acquisition of Twitter, but seeing as I have no skin in the game, it’s interesting to watch. He seems more interested in headlines than managing a massive corporation like Twitter, but I suppose that will either be his downfall or is part of his “strategy”. Time will tell, I guess.
 
Based on what? Who decides whether it's right or not?

What has this even got to do with Tim Cook? Apple has simply reduced its advertising. It hasn't banned Twitter, it hasn't censured anything that Twitter has done.

Why are you even saying this is about Twitter versus Apple or Musk versus Cook? Musk is the one saying that Apple is trying to remove Twitter from the App Store. Apple has said and done nothing. Your comments are talking like its fact, and like much of what has been said, its absolute garbage.

Again the point is that same standard applies to both.
 
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I've got no love for Murdoch, as he almost controls politics in my country, but there's a difference between being a media organisation that publishes your own opinion, and being Twitter which lets people publish their own opinions.

Two wrongs don't make a right.
That was about a company such as Apple deciding what it allows on its operating system, not about controlling the narrative. My point was if Murdoch can do what he wants with his own narrative, then why can't Apple?

In the same way, Musk can have Twitter and do whatever he wants. But it doesn't mean Apple have to allow his software if it doesn't fit their own standards.

But Apple haven't stopped and as far as we know, have no intention of stopping it.
 
Wow- apple media advertising tweeted they don't have trust in Twitter leadership

So that must be garbage
Where did they do that? I'm pretty sure you made this up #fictiontime, but happy to acknowledge you are right if you can prove it.

You do know, right, that Apple has just "alledgedly" reduced it's advertising on that toxic social media don't you?
 
I wish Apple supported free speech. It's sad that Apple limits content in the App Store and has weird demands on 3rd party platforms.
Asking Apple to support free speech is also asking them to support hate, racism, homophobia, etc. Where’s the social or economic value on supporting those specific views? There never has been free speech and there never will be so let’s stop pretending that the US has something special worth protecting.
 
Apple can ban or refuse to publish an app to their App Store for any reason they wish. As long as they don’t violate any federal anti-discrimination laws. And a personal dislike for someone’s personality is not considered discrimination as only they can represent themselves. Only if Apple were to say that they refuse to allow anyone who votes republican or has a disability or the like could you bring a meaningful claim to them for discrimination.

Frankly in the same respect if Elon wishes to flush more money down the toilet by bringing Apple and/or Google to court he’s more than welcome. I expect a run for political office to be in his future once the coffers start to dry up. LOL

Yes we all know they can ban any app they want. No one said they couldn’t. I said in my opinion it would be a mistake and set a dangerous precedent.
 
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Apple has cut back on its Twitter advertising, according to Twitter CEO Elon Musk. In a tweet, Musk said that Apple has "mostly stopped" its Twitter ads, asking if Apple hates "free speech."

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Musk went on to publish a poll asking if Apple should "publish all censorship actions" taken that impact customers and he began retweeting content from companies that Apple has had moderation discussions with. He also retweeted the 1984 parody video from Epic Games that suggested Apple has an App Store monopoly.


Since Musk took over Twitter, advertisers have been pulling back on Twitter-based ad campaigns because of Musk's approach to moderation and the re-enabling of previously suspended and banned accounts, such as that of former U.S. President Donald Trump.

Musk eliminated more than half of Twitter employees over the course of the last few weeks, including many who handled policy creation and content moderation. This has caused issues with advertisers, especially after the bungled launch of the $8 Twitter Blue subscription that included account verification. Twitter users quickly learned they could pay $8 to impersonate high-profile accounts and companies, leading to chaos on the platform.

Last week, nonprofit organization Media Matters released a report suggesting Twitter has lost half of its top 100 advertisers. These advertisers spent $2 billion in 2020 and more than $750 million in 2022, so Twitter is facing notable losses in ad revenue. Companies like AT&T, CNN, Dell, Allstate, DirecTV, HP, Nestle, Coca-Cola, Verizon, General Mills, Volkswagen, Wells Fargo, and others are no longer running Twitter ads.

Musk has attempted to persuade advertisers to remain on the platform, going as far as personally calling the CEOs of some brands, according to Financial Times. Musk has been "berating" companies that have pulled out of Twitter ads, leading some to reduce spending to a bare minimum to "avoid further confrontation" with Musk, who has been championing "free speech" and "civil debate" on the platform.

Apple App Store chief Phil Schiller deactivated his Twitter account following Musk's takeover, a signal that Apple executives are not pleased with the direction that Twitter is heading, which could lead to additional clashes over moderation in the future. Last Friday, Musk commented on Apple's App Store policies, giving some insight into what might happen if content on Twitter grows problematic. Musk has confirmed that Apple is "making moderation demands" and has threatened to "withhold Twitter from its App Store."


Should Twitter get to the point where its lack of moderation causes Apple and Google to remove it from their stores, Musk said that he will "make an alternative phone." He said that it hopes "it does not come to that," but will do so if there is "no other choice."

Article Link: Elon Musk Claims Apple Has 'Mostly Stopped' Offering Ads on Twitter and Is Making Moderation Demands
I….need…attention……..
 
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It's about moderation (in the moderate meaning, not to moderate). We have Fox and Murdoch continually and unabatedly having a political agenda. Murdoch Press continue to refuse a moderate debate and censure anything that goes against their political ideas.

If you have a Pro Liberal vs Pro Conservative debate, the conservative debate will ONLY be the one that is survived in that particular media. No one ever questions or is outraged by that.

So why can't that be countered with a view from another political standpoint? Why should Apple be restricted when Murdoch isn't?
Sorry to poke my nose here. I think the issue is that most mainstream media is biased and untruthful. It does seem like the left controls the levers of culture (media, music, news, style, social media, film), finance (WEF, black rock, vanguard), and education at all levels. I’m making no judgement here but this would be the root of the argument. Twitter cuts through much of this monopoly and the entrenched interests operating within. Changes to this structure upset those interests and the obviously concerted effort to vilify EM is clearly working.
 
Yes we all know they can ban any app they want. No one said they couldn’t. I said in my opinion it would be a mistake and set a dangerous precedent.
Apple also banned an App called "Sexy Bikini Fart". I think there are some strong similarities. The precedent is set.
 
Sorry to poke my nose here. I think the issue is that most mainstream media is biased and untruthful. It does seem like the left controls the levers of culture (media, music, news, style, social media, film), finance (WEF, black rock, vanguard), and education at all levels. I’m making no judgement here but this would be the root of the argument. Twitter cuts through much of this monopoly and the entrenched interests operating within. Changes to this structure upset those interests and the obviously concerted effort to vilify EM is clearly working.
But of course the media you consume is made up of only cold hard truths. 🙄🙄🙄
 
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It does seem like the left controls the levers of culture (media, music, news, style, social media, film), finance (WEF, black rock, vanguard), and education at all levels. I’m making no judgement here but this would be the root of the argument.
Murdoch isn't left though. And it's not about left v right (now that you brought it up), it's about political agenda.

Twitter cuts through much of this monopoly and the entrenched interests operating within. Changes to this structure upset those interests and the obviously concerted effort to vilify EM is clearly working.
Who are you saying is vilifying Elon Musk? Because Apple has been silent about this, we ONLY have Elon saying that Apple has reduced ads and they are considering pulling the app. I'm not sure that they are actually doing it.

Elon could very well be trying to bluff Apple into supporting Twitter and he needs their public support. #muskisdesparate.

Probably because it was a duplicate of another sexy bikini fart app.
Twitter?
 
But of course the media you consume is made up of only cold hard truths. 🙄🙄🙄
No, the media I consume is rife with bias, distortion, and lie. As is yours, and hers, and theirs. That is the point. And that is very much why the mainstream media is working so very hard to scuttle free speech.
 
Apple does a lot of business with China. It’s no surprise they don’t like free speech.

Musk is showing us just how much corporations control our thoughts. He’s risking his wealth and status to do so. I didnt have strong opinions about him before he bought Twitter. But he is really impressing me with his dedication to free speech.
Lol, do you think Tesla has stopped doing business in china?
 
This is a game at this point. I’m not sure what the end goal is for Musk and his acquisition of Twitter, but seeing as I have no skin in the game, it’s interesting to watch. He seems more interested in headlines than managing a massive corporation like Twitter, but I suppose that will either be his downfall or is part of his “strategy”. Time will tell, I guess.
My guess is that he’s saddled Twitter with a bunch of bad debt and is steering Twitter toward bankruptcy to rid himself of said bad debt. No deep plan—just money. Poking Apple is just a way to accelerate the process (by causing more advertisers to flee, and if removed from the app store, by tanking Twitter’s user base).
 
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No, the media I consume is rife with bias, distortion, and lie. As is yours, and hers, and theirs. That is the point. And that is very much why the mainstream media is working so very hard to scuttle free speech.
I don't think anyone is actually trying to stop different political views. Trump was banned because he was tweeting actual proven lies. He was trying to manipulate it. Those who provide opinions and thoughts remain on twitter (if they haven't abandoned it).

It's private companies such as Fox, Sky News etc who doing this, not Twitter, Facebook etc.
 
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