Elon Musk Claims Apple Has 'Mostly Stopped' Offering Ads on Twitter and Is Making Moderation Demands

[Sedulous]

Murdoch isn't left though. And it's not about left v right (now that you brought it up), it's about political agenda.


Who are you saying is vilifying Elon Musk? Because Apple has been silent about this, we ONLY have Elon saying that Apple has reduced ads and they are considering pulling the app. I'm not sure that they are actually doing it.

Elon could very well be trying to bluff Apple into supporting Twitter and he needs their public support. #muskisdesparate.


Twitter?

It does not matter that Fox News exists. All levels of education, culture (art, music, movies), Big Tech, and so on lean strongly left. This is well established in both words and deeds. Twitter is the choice platform where these structures intersect.

I made no statement about Apple. As you have rightly indicated, they have made no move here. Possibly mixed up with another post?

Maybe EM can add a fart sound panel to Twitter. I dunno.

 

[Sedulous]

I don't think anyone is actually trying to stop different political views. Trump was banned because he was tweeting actual proven lies. He was trying to manipulate it. Those who provide opinions and thoughts remain on twitter (if they haven't abandoned it).

It's private companies such as Fox, Sky News etc who doing this, not Twitter, Facebook etc.

Hunter Biden’s MacBook.

 

[dukebound85]

Let’s be real. The left doesn’t like any speech that disagrees with their viewpoint and they want to shut it down.

lol rich

 

[Krispykrme]

Where did they do that? I'm pretty sure you made this up #fictiontime, but happy to acknowledge you are right if you can prove it.

You do know, right, that Apple has just "alledgedly" reduced it's advertising on that toxic social media don't you?

Actually it turns out to be a parody account responding to Elon musk.

At least it appears to be

 

[WinterWolf90]

Let’s be real. The left doesn’t like any speech that disagrees with their viewpoint and they want to shut it down.yes because calling people the n word is so important for Twitter, or letting people overthrow the capital

 

[AlexJaye]

I started disliking Tesla and especially Musk ever since the Cybertruck announcement before the pandemic, but now, it’s just insane how unlikable this guy has become.

He's pathetic. I've owned a Tesla for several years now, but he has single-handedly convinced me to leave the company altogether for my next vehicle purchase. It's sad, because Tesla had a lot of potential. But now it also has competition.

 

[teh_hunterer]

That was about a company such as Apple deciding what it allows on its operating system, not about controlling the narrative. My point was if Murdoch can do what he wants with his own narrative, then why can't Apple?

In the same way, Musk can have Twitter and do whatever he wants. But it doesn't mean Apple have to allow his software if it doesn't fit their own standards.

But Apple haven't stopped and as far as we know, have no intention of stopping it.

They both can, but we're free to point out that neither should. I'm not even sure it balances out, because I don't like Murdoch's right wing press, and the damage it does to politics in my country, and I also don't like the idea of Twitter censoring the right before Elon bought it, or Apple pulling Twitter itself because it no longer furthers only a left wing narrative.

Hopefully nothing comes of any of this.

 

[teh_hunterer]

Is it morally right to commandeer the things someone else owns for your benefit? If no, then good I guess we agree. If yes, then cool time to start redistributing the wealth of billionaires and millionaires to the lower and middle class. Guess you’ll be voting for Bernie Sanders and the like from now on.

Let’s go even further. Is it morally right to commandeer things in order to make speech that’s antithetical to the owner’s own values? If so, how do I get in touch with Fox News to demand that I be given a one hour nightly show during primetime? I have speech that I have a moral right to make.

I really don't understand your argument. Regarding Bernie Sanders, were I American (I am not), in 2016 I would have joined the Democratic party and voted for him in the primary, and then voted for him in the general were he on the ticket. I would have then left the Democratic party for what they did to him in 2016.

But I still don't get what you're talking about. I'm saying a couple of things:

a) Twitter, which has become a de facto public square, shouldn't be a vehicle for elites on one side of politics to censor the other side. I never said Twitter couldn't do that, I said they morally shouldn't.

b) Apple shouldn't pull Twitter just because it no longer furthers a left wing narrative by censoring the right. Again, I'm just saying what I think is morally right and wrong, not that a company must act the way I want them to.

 

[BaldiMac]

That survey specifically asked if the value of people speaking freely is important. One group answered low, and trended lower.

No, it didn't. It asked which of two things is more important to the individual. Saying something is more important doesn't mean that the other thing is not important.

Someone wanting something censored/banned, you would agree, implies they dont want people to express it, and/or people to consume it.

Neither of the questions said anything about censoring or banning content. It was about their personal preference, not something they wanted to force on other people.

How is that notionally different from saying you dont value the importance of speaking freely?

If you can't tell the difference between saying that respectful speech is more important to you than unlimited speech and government censorship then I don't know how to continue this conversation.

Personally, I value rational discussion over misinformation and propanganda. I also value free speech. Those aren't contradictory statements.

 

[Geekbabe]

Apparently Elon doesn’t grasp the concept of freedom of association.He also seems to think that publicly calling out advertisers for deciding to. reduce or stop their Twitter spend is a winning business move.

The platform is rapidly becoming a cesspool…I don’t blame companies from backing away. What’s really ironic is Elon tweeting this stuff from his iPhone 😂 What’s even richer is people threatening to throw away their Apple products & challenging other to do so 😂

 

[Krispykrme]

He's pathetic. I've owned a Tesla for several years now, but he has single-handedly convinced me to leave the company altogether for my next vehicle purchase. It's sad, because Tesla had a lot of potential. But now it also has competition.

What did the car do to you?

How did Elon political view killed someone?

We know Tim action did more physical harm to workers in China. Such as child labor, protests.

Should you apply same standard and not use any of apple product?

Stop being bias.

If you leave Tesla because of Elon blind push on FSF (I totally understand). But to shot down a brand or a product for because CEO political views. Perhaps you should look at yourself as the one that is biased.

 

[BaldiMac]

I really don't understand your argument. Regarding Bernie Sanders, were I American (I am not), in 2016 I would have joined the Democratic party and voted for him in the primary, and then voted for him in the general were he on the ticket. I would have then left the Democratic party for what they did to him in 2016.

But I still don't get what you're talking about. I'm saying a couple of things:

a) Twitter, which has become a de facto public square, shouldn't be a vehicle for elites on one side of politics to censor the other side. I never said Twitter couldn't do that, I said they morally shouldn't.

Calling Twitter "a de facto public square" is just an excuse to regulate it. It's ******** meant to wave away the inconvenient fact that it is private.

The internet itself is the public square. Twitter is a private platform.

b) Apple shouldn't pull Twitter just because it no longer furthers a left wing narrative by censoring the right. Again, I'm just saying what I think is morally right and wrong, not that a company must act the way I want them to.

Sometimes the reality is different than your perception.

Twitter’s research shows that its algorithm favors conservative views

Twitter doesn’t know what causes this issue

www.theverge.com

 

[Krispykrme]

I really don't understand your argument. Regarding Bernie Sanders, were I American (I am not), in 2016 I would have joined the Democratic party and voted for him in the primary, and then voted for him in the general were he on the ticket. I would have then left the Democratic party for what they did to him in 2016.

But I still don't get what you're talking about. I'm saying a couple of things:

a) Twitter, which has become a de facto public square, shouldn't be a vehicle for elites on one side of politics to censor the other side. I never said Twitter couldn't do that, I said they morally shouldn't.

b) Apple shouldn't pull Twitter just because it no longer furthers a left wing narrative by censoring the right. Again, I'm just saying what I think is morally right and wrong, not that a company must act the way I want them to.

I would have voted for Bernie in 2016. But Hilary kind of killed democrats for me. It’s far worse than what Trump did.

I hate trump antic. But his policy was one of the very best in recent years.

1. Tough on China- it was his policy that started this stand up to China. Biden simply followed because it’s popular
2. He brought jobs back to US- whether anyone like it or not- he started the ball rolling.
3. He closed loopholes- which allowed apple to bring back cash reserves to US.
4. He actually tried to make peace with North Korea.
5. Ask allies to pay fair share of defense.


Give credit where it’s due. But hunter biden story was buried by media.

I still don’t understand why mail in vote should be allowed. If you think voting is important- then show up physically to vote.

 

[vipergts2207]

No, the media I consume is rife with bias, distortion, and lie. As is yours, and hers, and theirs. That is the point. And that is very much why the mainstream media is working so very hard to scuttle free speech.

Why would you willingly consume media you yourself believe is bias distortion, and lies? 🤦‍♂️

 

[UrbanJoe1]

Here’s to the Crazy Ones

 

[paul4339]

This has literally nothing to do with free speech. Free speech is the ability to say anything without the government arresting you.

No company is required to advertise on a platform. Period. You don't have to advertise on Twitter just because it exists.

Musk attacking advertisers on his platform isn't free speech either. It's just an example of why Apple doesn't want to advertise there.

And it's not particularly smart. If you want to give a company a reason to not spend ad money on your product, publically shaming them is a good way to do that.

Speech isn't consequence-free even if the speech is free.

And as a reminder, conservatives fought hard to keep businesses from having to patronize people they disagree with. Don't want to bake a cake for a gay couple, you don't have to.

An openly gay CEO doesn't want to advertise on a platform that's aggressive and threatening to LGBT people, they don't have to. We have established case law in the US about this.

I was thinking the same… why would you attack the advertisers that’s giving you more business?
Wouldn’t that just get scare more customers (advertisers) away?

Companies aren’t obligated to advertise on Twitter…Wouldn’t other CEOs just shy away after a stunt like that? If you have want more business from someone, treat them better, don’t berate them.

 

[teh_hunterer]

Calling Twitter "a de facto public square" is just an excuse to regulate it. It's ******** meant to wave away the inconvenient fact that it is private.

The internet itself is the public square. Twitter is a private platform.

But it's what it is. I'm not making US-based legal claims, just saying what it is for a vast majority of the users.

Sometimes the reality is different than your perception.

Twitter’s research shows that its algorithm favors conservative views

Twitter doesn’t know what causes this issue

www.theverge.com

Maybe the algorithm favours right wing amplification because the right wing is funnier and more viral at the moment. That comes in cycles. Algorithms happening to amplify one kind of content is different to a shadowy cabal of elites coopting a platform in order to covertly censor one side of politics.

Edit: also, The Verge. lel

 

[God of Biscuits]

Elon lies. It’s a private company. No one is requiring him to tell the truth. There’s no penalty fo misinformation.

 

[iPhoneFan5349]

We are witnessing the real-time mental breakdown of a billionaire. If Apple and Google pull Twitter from their app stores, Twitter is done. Musk knows he's ****ed.

Apple would be done too regarding their walled garden. They did it with Parler once, they certainly won’t be able to do it with Twitter

 

[steve09090]

I really don't understand your argument. Regarding Bernie Sanders, were I American (I am not), in 2016 I would have joined the Democratic party and voted for him in the primary, and then voted for him in the general were he on the ticket. I would have then left the Democratic party for what they did to him in 2016.

But I still don't get what you're talking about. I'm saying a couple of things:

a) Twitter, which has become a de facto public square, shouldn't be a vehicle for elites on one side of politics to censor the other side. I never said Twitter couldn't do that, I said they morally shouldn't.

b) Apple shouldn't pull Twitter just because it no longer furthers a left wing narrative by censoring the right. Again, I'm just saying what I think is morally right and wrong, not that a company must act the way I want them to.

100% agree with all your points.

The only thing I would add is that no one except for the self-titled Chief Twit has even indicated that Apple would pull twitter.

 

[Zest28]

Guess people don't like free speech and love that right wing political opponents are being censored by the left like what happened in Germany.

 

[teh_hunterer]

I would have voted for Bernie in 2016. But Hilary kind of killed democrats for me. It’s far worse than what Trump did.

This is part of the political divide I'm talking about. There were a lot of people who were left leaning who became disillusioned with the democratic party after what it did to Bernie Sanders and the ideas he represented. The whole party, and the whole political left seemed to split in two after this.

After the Democrats forced Hilary into the nomination, it did enough damage that Trump got in,
but instead of owning up to it, they doubled down endlessly. ie, we are perfect and did nothing wrong, and the whole country are just far right racists and that's why we lost.

Many of those Bernie supporters had nowhere to go after the Democratic party decided it stood for the moneyed interests rather than the people, and a chunk of them still have nowhere to go. And those people, the ones who can't stomach the democratic party, but aren't actually right wing, get lumped in with the actual right, and then called far right.

A fair few became democratic zealots over time because of how much they hate Trump, but a lot still have nobody that really represents them. To bring it back to the topic at hand, it's actually quite a small group of people on the far left who want Twitter to censor everyone to the right of them.

 

[notabadname]

I really can’t wait for his Myspace/Facebook/FTX/Dodgecoin ”moment”. Maybe his new phone will beat the Cybertruck to market, or the LA to SanFran tunnel.

 

[dampfnudel]

Maybe it would be best if Apple dropped all social media apps and create their own. Facebook has a toxic history and Instagram has been responsible for teenage girls and young women having a poor body image leading to depression. TikTok has the shadow of the Chinese government over it. Twitter of course has been a cesspool for far too long.

 

[teh_hunterer]

100% agree with all your points.

The only thing I would add is that no one except for the self-titled Chief Twit has even indicated that Apple would pull twitter.

I hope nothing comes of it. I think there is probably some fire where that smoke is, but I wouldn't (and didn't) criticise Apple until something actually happens.