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Elon Musk Claims Apple Has 'Mostly Stopped' Offering Ads on Twitter and Is Making Moderation Demands

Krispykrme said:
That is utter BS

Banning is not freedom of association
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It certainly is in the US.

Boy Scouts of America et al. v. Dale, 530 U.S. 640 (2000), was a landmark decision of the US Supreme Court, decided on June 28, 2000, that held that the constitutional right to freedom of association allowed the Boy Scouts of America (BSA) to exclude a homosexual person from membership in spite of a state law requiring equal treatment of homosexuals in public accommodations.
-Wikipedia
 
BaldiMac said:
And what does calling it that get you? Cookies? What's wrong with calling it what is really is? [a private platform]
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teh_hunterer said:
You have a problem with me calling Twitter a de facto public square (which it is).
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teh_hunterer's label of what Twitter is is a far more accurate representation than your technicality.

I could call it a "SF-based web business" and be semantically correct, but it would not be a better or useful description. forums.macrumors.com is where people come to discuss things apple and apple-adjacent. Twitter is where people go to discuss every single topic, unbounded by sub-forums, populated by people from all prominence and intersections of life, where messages are structured to thread radially instead of linearly, where any conversation can take any shape.

Functionally and effectively, it is a "public town square".

Even the people who don't like Elon Musk will describe it as such....on Twitter itself.

Don't snub commonly accepted beliefs just to make a personal point.
 
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teh_hunterer said:
Free speech shouldn't be a left vs right thing. The left used to be the ones who defended free speech, back in the day.

But just because someone can do something, doesn't mean they should. Maybe Apple can remove Twitter and legally defend it, but they can't morally defend it. And you've made no attempt to morally defend it.

I'm not some American right wing ultra capitalist - I've voted left all my life, but free speech is paramount to a society that isn't hell to live in, and Apple would be on the wrong side of history for doing this. If they were actually doing it - there is no evidence so far really.
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If it breaks their TOS they can defend it in every way, if Elon's platform is going to allow for vile hate speech, then I would argue removing them is actually the most moral decision they can make.
 
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thettareddast said:
teh_hunterer's label of what Twitter is is a far more accurate representation than your technicality.

I could call it a "SF-based web business" and be semantically correct, but it would not be a better or useful description. forums.macrumors.com is where people come to discuss things apple and apple-adjacent. Twitter is where people go to discuss every single topic, unbounded by sub-forums, populated by people from all prominence and intersections of life, where messages are structured to thread radially instead of linearly, where any conversation can take any shape.

Functionally and effectively, it is a "public town square".

Even the people who don't like Elon Musk will describe it as such....on Twitter itself.

Don't snub commonly accepted beliefs just to make a personal point.
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Nothing personal about. It's not less accurate or a technicality to call Twitter a private platform. It is a fact.

Calling it public to make a political point is inaccurate no matter how many people repeat it.
 
Krispykrme said:
That is your choice.

But Apple doesn't have that right to ban. Like you don't have right to ban what I have to say.
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Of course Apple has that right in their own store. It has to do to with property rights and freedom of association (a part of freedom of speech).

When the Boys Scout of America can ban a homosexual member, Apple can certainly ban an app from their store.
 
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BaldiMac said:
Nothing personal about. It's not less accurate or a technicality to call Twitter a private platform. It is a fact.

Calling it public to make a political point is inaccurate no matter how many people repeat it.
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the fact is it's a communication service open to the public. there's no special exclusivity or invitation requirement to participate in the service. all anyone from andorra to zimbabwe needs to participate is a phone number and email address to participate in the global chat.

whether's it's owned by a single private citizen, or a group of general partners, or a state pension fund, or floated on a stock exchange, does not change the fact: a chat service used widely by the public. in other words, a public town square.
 
Plain explanation as can be (not my beliefs or opinions—just an illustration):

Option 1): Persons with one x and one Y chromosome should not be able to compete in women’s athletic competitions.
Option 2): It doesn’t matter what anyone says, a man is a man and a woman is a woman.

Option 1 is an opinion about policy that one should be allowed to have, express, and defend (and, likewise, others should be allowed to disagree and debate).

Option 2 is an opinion/value judgment about how someone else chooses to live life and serves no purpose other than to devalue that group of people and those choices for no apparent reason. It is abusive (serves no apparent purpose) and expresses prejudice against a certain group of people (suggesting there exists no legitimate reason for living in such a way).

Option 1): protected speech
Option 2): hate speech
 
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DMG35 said:
But if I had my choice then yes, white supremacists should not be allowed on Twitter. But your comment makes little sense unless in their bio it says "white supremacist." They would have to out themselves by a tweet making it known what they are. The Taliban doesn't have to tweet anything negative for people to know they are some of the worst people in society.
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That's only because you lack knowledge about white supremacist.

So now it is reduced to well known "bad people/bad organisations" should be bad but unknown to you "bad people/bad organisations" should be allowed until they generate questionable content.
 
yaxomoxay said:
Doesn’t matter. I still prefer for the internet to be a place in which people can express their love or pure hatred for whatever they want.
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Yes, but that doesn't have to be Twitter it. It could be text files transmitted by UUCP.
 
teh_hunterer said:
Free speech shouldn't be a left vs right thing. The left used to be the ones who defended free speech, back in the day.

But just because someone can do something, doesn't mean they should. Maybe Apple can remove Twitter and legally defend it, but they can't morally defend it. And you've made no attempt to morally defend it.

I'm not some American right wing ultra capitalist - I've voted left all my life, but free speech is paramount to a society that isn't hell to live in, and Apple would be on the wrong side of history for doing this. If they were actually doing it - there is no evidence so far really.
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So if a bakery refuses to do business with a gay couple, that’s free speech, but if a large consumer brand refuses to do business with a social media platform, that’s censorship? Got it.
 
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steve09090 said:
So if a bakery refuses to do business with a gay couple, that’s free speech, but if a large consumer brand refuses to do business with a social media platform, that’s censorship? Got it.
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I have no opinion on the bakery thing. I'm not American, nor am I conservative. But it would be wrong for Apple to censor millions of people by removing Twitter.
 
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