Which is why Elon has far more fans than Cook does or ever will do, because Cook is such an ignorant ****!
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Elon Musk Claims He Once Reached Out to Tim Cook About Tesla Purchase But Was Refused Meeting
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Nope! Have you seen the many issues that Apple products have right now, quality is not a word I use to describe them.
The company offered for sale at the time isn't that same company that Tesla is today, there is no way of telling what direction Tesla would have taken under Apple.
What the stocks are worth today says noting about what Apple might or might not have gained if the had taken the deal.
What the stocks are worth today says noting about what Apple might or might not have gained if the had taken the deal.
Apple can't pay its component suppliers or its employees with fans.
If keeping Musk was part of the deal, I don't blame Apple from blowing it off. They have had enough 'strong personalities' in their history...
The advantage of that Tesla has is large scale battery technology. The rest is off the shelf technology. Their autonomous sytem (san Lidar) is hardly state of the art, as we see monthly Tesla accident reports. The suspension, coach work, ergonomics can be duplicated by any car company, and in many cases done better. With reports of poor body panel fittings and loose seats, their QA has been notably middling at best. It's the battery stupid.
But battery technology is rapidly changing. When better batteries come out like solid state lithium with 2.5x energy density, then we will see rapid adoption of electric cars that will have longer range and lower weight. It will be much easier for the public to buy into a car that can travel 500 miles on a single charge and can accelerate as fasts as any racecar. Once the battery becomes commoditized, then competition becomes stiff. As countries begin to limit ICE car, competition becomes stiffer still and stubborn traditional car makers will have make to the conversion. At that point, Tesla will be nothing more special than any other car manufacturer.
But battery technology is rapidly changing. When better batteries come out like solid state lithium with 2.5x energy density, then we will see rapid adoption of electric cars that will have longer range and lower weight. It will be much easier for the public to buy into a car that can travel 500 miles on a single charge and can accelerate as fasts as any racecar. Once the battery becomes commoditized, then competition becomes stiff. As countries begin to limit ICE car, competition becomes stiffer still and stubborn traditional car makers will have make to the conversion. At that point, Tesla will be nothing more special than any other car manufacturer.
IMO Tim Cook is not the worst, but very far from being the best CEO.
BUT what technology could Tesla offer to Apple? Panasonic batteries or Brembo squeaking brakes? ...
..... wait, May be public bus seats in a car?
Time shows, but I expect that in a year or two we have more and more less expensive electric cars on the market. I want to see Tesla stocks then.
BUT what technology could Tesla offer to Apple? Panasonic batteries or Brembo squeaking brakes? ...
..... wait, May be public bus seats in a car?
Time shows, but I expect that in a year or two we have more and more less expensive electric cars on the market. I want to see Tesla stocks then.
Supercharger network, 3 factories, (as much as folks here hate it) Autopilot.IMO Tim Cook is not the worst, but very far from being the best CEO.
BUT what technology could Tesla offer to Apple? Panasonic batteries or Brembo squeaking brakes? ...
..... wait, May be public bus seats in a car?
Time shows, but I expect that in a year or two we have more and more less expensive electric cars on the market. I want to see Tesla stocks then.
Telsa fanboys are a plenty in here it seems.
All due to one tweet containing at best a swipe at Apple that's not substantiated anywhere else - while there are far better documented approaches between Apple and Tesla that didn't end up in a buyout.
To those Tesla fanboys: it did not happen. Be happy and move on as otherwise you'd be driving (or wanting to drive - whatever) an Apple car, not a Tesla.
All due to one tweet containing at best a swipe at Apple that's not substantiated anywhere else - while there are far better documented approaches between Apple and Tesla that didn't end up in a buyout.
To those Tesla fanboys: it did not happen. Be happy and move on as otherwise you'd be driving (or wanting to drive - whatever) an Apple car, not a Tesla.
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Matsushita Kotobuki Electronics (people know the company as Panasonic) makes and researches batteries. May be they have iPhone-At&t type of contract, but the fact is that Tesla has nothing to do with batteries.
In a year, max two we see dozens of electric cars on the market.
Who is going to be the winner? As usual the one who sells the stocks on top
I honestly love the experience anytime a Lyft driver picks me up in one and I’d love to see apples take on Tesla.
Pretty high, but how soon will depend on where you live like you mentioned. Here in the US I could get one for $37,990. I'd be surprised if the apple car is available for less than a six digit number.
- 3 factories that are closed for 18 days due to the lack of demand. BTW Apple factories are opened and overloaded
- even Russian “Yahoo” Yandex (work for Hyundai) autopilot is better and level 4 compare to level 2+ Tesla has
- Supercharge network, may be. Not all of them are as convenient as gas stations. IMO there is not much technology behind the electric plug and real estate
I do not argue with you, I try to be realistic.
Tesla is overpriced in both terms: product and stocks.
Peace
Exactly what I was thinking...buying Tesla without Musk...maybe. If he's part of the deal...no thanks!
Elon Musk doesn’t build anything. He is the money man.
The supercharger network was a very good start, but I get the sense that its importance has diminished over time, in favor of networks available to other vendors.
The S and X lines are closed for what ever reason (rumors say upgrades). They are still making the 3 and Y.
Not sure if you drive electric, but the travel experience in a Tesla is closer to Apple ethos than the travel experience in a Bolt. That counts for something when trying to get folks to drive electric, until 1000 mile EVs are a thing.
I didn’t think we were arguing. Folks feel Tesla is overpriced and that is fine we can wait until others make comparable electric vehicles and go from there. I’ve pointed people to Taycan’s and Polestars for alternatives. The Mach E will be a nice alternative to the Y. If you want cheap there is the Bolt and Leaf.
Maybe If Apple had bought Tesla, the panels would fit together better, bumpers wouldn’t fall off in the rain, and they’d have CarPlay.
Why make that R&D investment (including licensing the necessary IP) to develop entirely new hardware and services when they could just buy a company that has exactly what they need? They pretty clearly bought Beats for the acoustics folks and Beats Music. Those have allowed them to recoup their investment massively through wearable audio products and Apple Music subscriptions.
They probably were already working on their own car. Really not an expert in this, but first thing that came to mind is that I can imagine there would be some legal considerations to taking the meeting. Would Cook have to sign an NDA? What if the technology Apple was already developing is similar? If the purchase doesn’t go through, would Tesla accuse Apple of stealing their technology based on this meeting and sue them?
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Was that the time when Elon Musk was calling random people nasty names and accusing anyone of anything?
Acquiring them would have put the whole Apple at risk with Musk's unstable behavior.
Anyone of us could have bought shares at a much lower price. (I did.) Great technology and lots of promise. Sad that sometimes brilliance comes with such baggage. (Talked to anyone who was part of their top mgmt team? You don't want to be there.)
Acquiring them would have put the whole Apple at risk with Musk's unstable behavior.
Anyone of us could have bought shares at a much lower price. (I did.) Great technology and lots of promise. Sad that sometimes brilliance comes with such baggage. (Talked to anyone who was part of their top mgmt team? You don't want to be there.)
Tesla uses thousands of small cells (made by Panasonic) incorporating them into the car body, but they have in-house battery research and development, especially having acquired several battery tech companies.Matsushita Kotobuki Electronics (people know the company as Panasonic) makes and researches batteries. May be they have iPhone-At&t type of contract, but the fact is that Tesla has nothing to do with batteries.
In a year, max two we see dozens of electric cars on the market.
Who is going to be the winner? As usual the one who sells the stocks on top
In what way did they overtake Tesla? Feel free to share specifics as I’ve given you some.
Take the ID.4, it’s estimated to be around 45k for the AWD version in the us with 250miles of range. It’s max charge rate is 125kw on electrify America which as I mentioned earlier, here in the US is not great. That 250 mile range is on a battery the same size as the model Y which gets 326 miles. Tesla hopes to sell 500,000 vehicles this year, Volkswagen hopes to sell 500k in 2025.
Even if you want to focus in just Europe, from Jan to October, the model 3 was the 2nd best selling EV next to Renault. Keep in mind, until they get their Berlin factory up, Europe is being restricted by production.
Spec wise, the only thing these other manufactures are doing is trying to make a lower cost car. With that comes the drawback of slower, less range, less charging capacity. In Europe, that might be fine and will work out okay.
Overall sales, Tesla is in a league of their own. While there is more competition coming out, until any of them prove themselves, Tesla is still king.
