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Elon Musk Claims He Once Reached Out to Tim Cook About Tesla Purchase But Was Refused Meeting
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Sorry - as you are talking about "super inefficient" - nope. I agree 20 kW/100 km in winter is not a record setting value but I doubt Tesla being way better (this is the realm of Kia, Hyundai or Renault).
Slower? Yeah - so what. And that is coming from someone living in the only country having no speed limit roads. Ever driven an electric car above 130 km/h? Want to really know the range of Teslas going fast? Sorry - the argument of speed is really nothing in the EV world as speed really eats range. Fun fact: Actually it's pretty funny to see these Model X and Model S crawling behind trucks to perform more efficient.
Smaller in size - well that's the thing. It really is 40cm short in regard to Model 3. Yet it still offers far better headroom for grown-ups in the back. Sitting in a Model 3 as an adult in the back is discomforting in contrast to the ID.3. And there we have the next problem. The outer silhouette of Model 3 had to be sporty leading to some disadvantages regarding comfort (sat in both, so real life experience and no magazine stuff). And actually smaller in size comes in quite handy in some parking lots.
Worse charging infrastructure? What is your argument with that? How many interstate road-trips do you perform per week. I mean I commute every day with my car and yet I have to find the predominant use case where I would need to recharge on the go. And then - and that is a big and only then for most car holders - charging really becomes an issue. Even with the miserable range (like you claim) I regularly charge up once per week.
Slower speed? Who gives? The 100kW loading speed is sufficient to bring the battery back to 80% within 30 minutes. Above that charging speed is reduced - for the sake of battery endurance over time. Tesla also does that so care to explain that perceived advantage, please.
And the so called autonomous driving - well I could now say that is also personal choice. If I want to be driven I go Uber, Taxi, Bus or Tram. If I'm going to sit in my car I simply put want to drive. YMMV.
I hate the cash burn argument...Tesla SHOULD be burning cash...They're growing at an insane rate. Their CapEx is enormous - building factories on three continents and breaking into the utility, energy trading and solar business is not cheap. What matters is Tesla revenues are growing YOY and their margins on cars. IF renewable energy credits expire (which will likely be extended under Biden) Tesla will have a global supply chain and demand on every continent.
Apple actually has one of the largest M&A departments of any fortune 500 companies.
List of mergers and acquisitions by Apple - Wikipedia
Large companies grow through acquisition.
they don’t have to talk specifics in the first meeting. an acquisition would require hundreds of discussion. first discussion would probably be a feeler meeting to see if they’re interested
So what? They’re still not going to buy and sell at a higher price. They’re going to buy and integrate, and only if they can see how it fits in a bigger picture.
Most of Apple’s growth hasn’t been through acquisition.
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Tesla ranks #1 in customer sat on consumer reports. Where is this "consistently last" you speak of?
Yeah, big blunder for sure.
My Model 3 2018 has free LTE for the life of the car. And I can watch unlimited Netflix over LTE (not sure if you can do that in IS). I'm not sure where you're getting at in bringing up the IS.
And it should be expected. In car Youtube/Netflix uses hundreds of gigabytes of data per month. It's not sustainable to have millions of cars in the future being able to stream unlimited video.
Tesla is offering the option. You have the option to buy FSD outright too. Those who can't afford can pay for subscription. I don't know what the complaint is here.
Then don't pay for it...? You still have navigation for free if you don't pay for it. And you can always tether data from your phone. Not sure what the complaint is here...
I'm getting quite a chuckle out of the Musk haters...
If I could be Musk (founder/inventor SpaceX, Boring Company, Tesla, Neural-Link) or be Cook (filling landfills w/unrepairable junk)...hmmm....how would I decide?
One is just possibly saving the world and humanity...one is a toad.
If I could be Musk (founder/inventor SpaceX, Boring Company, Tesla, Neural-Link) or be Cook (filling landfills w/unrepairable junk)...hmmm....how would I decide?
One is just possibly saving the world and humanity...one is a toad.
Oh and we could totally fit your complete non-sensical post that you just wrote on yours? That's hilarious.
I'm not going to argue with you. Cheers.
At that point it probably was a good decision. Assuming that Musk isn’t just making up stuff.
Tesla CEO Elon Musk today said on Twitter that he once reached out to Apple CEO Tim Cook about the possibility of Apple acquiring Tesla, but Cook "refused to take the meeting." Musk says that he attempted to contact Apple during the "darkest days of the Model 3 program," offering Tesla for 1/10 of its value.
Musk's tweet came in response to Reuters' recent report about Apple's work on an upcoming Apple Car.
According to Reuters, Apple is aiming to begin production on an Apple Car by 2024, using "next-level" battery technology that involves a "monocell" design that bulks up individual battery cells and frees up space inside the battery pack by removing pouches and modules that hold battery materials. Apple is also planning to use lithium iron phosphate battery technology.
Musk in a separate tweet said that the Apple Car rumors are "strange if true" and that a monocell design is "electrochemically impossible."
There have been rumors that Apple once considered a purchase of Tesla and made a "serious bid" of $240 per share back in 2013, but given Musk's comments, that may not be accurate.
Apple and Tesla have been at odds since Apple started working on the Apple Car project and have notoriously poached employees from one another. In 2015, in fact, Musk said that he calls Apple the "Tesla Graveyard." "If you don't make it at Tesla, you go work at Apple," he said.
If and when Apple does start manufacturing a car aimed at consumers, Tesla and Apple will be direct competitors. That could happen as early as 2024 or 2025 if Apple's work on an Apple Car stays on track.
Article Link: Elon Musk Claims He Once Reached Out to Tim Cook About Tesla Purchase But Was Refused Meeting
Ludicrous speed delivers as advertised. Zero correlation to sustained power. It's like saying "You want to overclock your GPU just to see what 8k/120hz gaming looks like? Here you go". No one expects a GPU to deliver 8k/120hz consistently today.
It's just a small demo and it's not meant to be used on a daily drive.
I don't think I'm disputing that, unless you're talking about the prototype Plaid, then we have something to talk about.
For daily commutes, Supercharging isn't used at all for most people. But the amount of locations allow for *ANY* drive to be possible with Supercharger network in USA/CA/most of EU. Ionity currently doesn't allow *any* drive to happen in France for example because there are too few of them.
Not sure what you mean by gimmick. If you bought your Tesla with free lifetime Supercharging, so far it has been free for the life of the car. It has never been "turned off" for a purchased car. Tesla has only removed the promo from new purchases from time to time.
And Supercharging stations has been doubling year after year. So any sort of line or queues will eventually be alleviated. Tesla places large stations along popular paths. 40-station Kettlemen Supercharger for example rarely gets any lines and if it does (during holidays for example), the turn over is quite fast.
Then why is Porsche demoing it? https://newsroom.porsche.com/en_US/...-workshop-kopernikus-automotive-ai-20145.html
Completely disagree with your statement. To be able to drive to the airport and tell your car "go home" and not worry about overnight parking is great. And to be able to summon your car from your house to pick you up from the airport so that you can drive home is definitely a luxury experience. To be able to tell your car "I dont want to drive in bumper to bumper traffic" is amazing too. I use it in my Tesla everyday.
Car2x is a communication standard. You're transmitting data from one thing to another. In order for Car2x to work well, the car needs to understand the surrounding. If the car is using vision to understand, the manufacturer needs petabytes of data to train the neural network to understand the surrounding better. Car2x can only be as good as the car's understanding of the surroundings. What's the point of Car2x if a car misses a bicyclist that's going through traffic too fast?
Also, Tesla can easily deploy a software update to mesh up all of their cars via bluetooth/wifi. They're infact going to do this for cars that are underground since there's no LTE reception to summon the car.
We're bringing up new cars now. I don't want this conversation to be Tesla vs XYZ as that could end up being a week-long conversation. I've had many iPhone vs Android conversations and people constantly bring up "oh well Pixel beats iPhone at camera, and S20 has a better screen". Yeah, of course features from two different products are going to beat one product.
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How about backup your statements with some data? Before COVID, Supercharger use around the world was hitting above 80%.
Maybe you need to re-evaluate that "sense" you have.
I see all your points and don‘t plan into indulging in this sort of discussion either.
All I wanted to point out is that Tesla can no longer rest on its laurels. There are several things better and several things worse in comparison. My main point is that Tesla no longer is the “inventor”...
...I pointed out that the real competition just started. And again...it’s a shame VW decided to let ID.3 be Europe only.
Nevertheless Model Y and ID.4 will be the exact same category. That will be the first real comparison.
And I know what ID.4 will offer as it will be the exact same car as my ID.3 under the hood.
I don’t want Tesla to lose nor am I married to VW as a brand. But if Tesla doesn’t ramp up their Quality Control issues all the competitors will heavily take away customers. And all those cars go into market now - so the real competition just started.
And your use case for autonomous driving - well, sounds as uninteresting to my car use as one could imagine. YMMV.
Tesla's Battery Day announcements are definitely not signs of them resting on their laurels. This unlocks:
We're getting 600mile range EVs next year with stronger and lighter bodies.
We're going to see Tesla unveiling their new $25k car in a few years.
We're getting Roadster where Tesla said they're reworking the entire car since the reveal a few years ago where the designer said "It will be even better than what we’ve unveiled. In every way”. So if Plaid S was topping records, imagine what a Roadster can do.
There's Cybertruck, which I'm personally uninterested for now, but the preorder numbers are huge.
There's Tesla's Semi which big corporations like Walmart have placed large orders for. Tesla is building out their megachargers too.
I don't know where you got the sense that Tesla is being complacent.
I don’t know about your local market but...
Battery Day announcements are just that - announcements. Just check out the claims Daimler is doing for EQS.
Sub 25k Tesla - well, nothing to win in that department as sub 25k is currently easily catered by Vw, Skoda, Seat with low range and with pretty decent range with Renault Zoe. Nothing to win here.
Roadster lost me when they built a marketing campaign about 400 km/h. It is just a bragging car. And the final version has yet to be seen.
Cybertruck is a decent car for a decent target group. Though I’m personally not interested I believe it can be tremendously successful and only real competition would be an all-electric Ford F-150.
Semi seems to be not so great as it was announced for 2019 and has yet to be seen in the wild - while Fuso Canter delivers (no pun intended).
OTOH I eagerly follow the competition with interesting cars being released right now/within the next 12 months (e.g. Daimler EQV, EQA and EQB, VW ID.3/4, Polestar 2, BMW iX3, i4, 2021 Porsche Taycan based SUV, Dacia low budget SUV, Volvo XC60, Mazda MX30).
Full electric cars all over the place and many of them pretty appealing. All in different price categories fulfilling lots of different demand expectations. And all with one major advantage:
a stationary dealer network you can rely on.
One thing for sure. Once Apple start building its own cars, it will have much better built quality than Tesla. This is coming from current Tesla owner with X and 3 (and previous S owner). As much as I love Tesla cars, its built quality is less than expected.
All in all, more choices are better for consumers.
All in all, more choices are better for consumers.
You're dismissing $25k Tesla with 0 details on what that car is...
How does Roadster losing your interest mean Tesla is being complacent? Just because you're not interested doesn't mean they're "resting on their laurels". There's an incredible amount of engineering to make a car perform at that spec.
Semi has been, in fact, seen in the wild, high volume production will happen once they ramp up their battery day announcements (which their pilot plant has already been producing these newly announced cells for several months now). Limited production has been made specifically to give a sample of truck drivers to voice their feedback on how to make the truck better.
And I'm not sure if you mean the traditional "dealer network", but I'm glad I don't have to deal with the dealership model when I got my car. No negotiation needed. No need to find out which dealer has the color I want. No regrets in feeling that I overpaid for my car compared to someone else who decided to wait until the end of quarter pushes to get the best deals. I prefer to just order the car from my phone and pick it up. Hardly see that as a "major advantage" but rather it's a major disadvantage. Car manufacturers have to set aside 2-3% of the sticker price to pay the dealerships too which buyers end up paying for.
None of these reasons scream Tesla is standing still.
Holy cow are you defensive about this. 🤣
I said "I get the sense". I didn't make a "statement"; I specifically made a guess.
I'm glad you found an interesting chart, though. Of course, it would be far more useful if it compared the data against competitors, or had absolute numbers, but before you look up another chart: I kind of don't give a ****. This isn't a Tesla fan forum, and I don't even have a car.
Boss, I didn't have complaints. You took my fairly short little sentences about my experience, with my car and burned me on a stake. They weren't questions or complaints. They were statements.
So I am going back to my original post that twisted your nips for some reason.
Teslas are expensive.
Meaning my Tesla was over $130,000, so to me that would fall in to the category of expensive, not unattainable or I can't afford food and my family is starving. It falls in to the category of expensive. Various people have more money than I do so this car would not be expensive. Various people have less money than I do so this car would be very expensive. I fall in to the, it is expensive category at this point in my life.
Tesla has moved it's internet connectivity to a subscription and moving FSD to subscriptions.
Meaning, Tesla have moved it's internet connectivity service to a subscription. Meaning it used to cost nothing and now it costs something each month.
And moving FSD or the thing where it will drive with less steering wheel touches from a one time cost to a cost each month.
Depending on how your right foot is, the range is so-so.
Meaning, my car typically shows 270 miles at 90%.
They way I drive it daily... it gets nowhere near 270 miles.
If you drive in chill mode in the spring time or autumn in Texas on a flat road with a tail-wind. You might get 270 miles from 90%.