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Elon Musk Completes $44 Billion Twitter Takeover, Fires Top Executives, and Makes Himself CEO

Skyscraperfan said:
No, those kinds of rights are a very American idea. In the German constitution we have a clause "With ownership come duties". That very much restricts what you can do with things you own. That might sound like socialism for an American, but it avoids many problems that America has. For example it gives the government a tool against excessive drug prices. You also can't do anything that is a threat to democracy. We even have laws that force owners of television channels to give some hours of screen time per week to third party media like big newspapers. In the weeks before TV channels and radio stations also have to air a certain amount of political ads for every party for free. While in the US you need a lot of money to show your ads on TV, in Germany even the smallest political party gets free air time. That is a duty for democracy that comes with owning a TV channel.
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I know, and that's why the American right would absolute deplore German culture and would consider it woke.

The restrictions on free speech such as the illegality of denying the Holocaust, showing nazi symbols, the illegality of der deutscher Gruß, etc.

And they would not look kindly at the recent crackdown from German authorities on online harassment and insults.
 
Apple fan from Korea said:
A lot of users there are a bit braindead and think emotionally only. There were many arguments in Twitter regarding BTS serving military time in Korea, and I was attacked many times for simply saying that they didn’t meet any laws for military exemption. In other words logic doesn’t really work with them
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It has nothing to do with twitter. All you need to prove that is to read through any of these posts to see that education in the US at least, has failed a vast majority of its population. That is not twitters fault.
 
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WRXHokie said:
You can fix twitter with one change.... remove anonymity to accounts. Require verification that its a real person and make their real name visible.

People will still be clowns and hate mongers, but at least everyone will know who they really are so they'll have to finally deal with the consequences of saying hateful things.
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You mean like Facebook does? It will not stop the stupid, as they are too stupid to know that they are stupid and think they are are on the right side.
 
BrownyQ said:
None of my previous posts were in any way tied to the financial viability of Twitter. I care not for the financial viability of Twitter, as I have no stake in the company or how the site is monetized.

But sure, you're more than welcome to engage only in spaces that heavily moderate what can and cannot be said. Some people cannot handle dissenting opinions of any kind, and that's fine. There will always be such spaces, both online and offline.

But the possibility that Twitter becomes less moderated has so many terrified because they treat it as their safe-space hugbox, and I just find it rather funny that so many treat a website in this manner.
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Hate speech isn’t “dissenting opinions”.
Also I’m not sure about who do you mean by ”terrified”, I’m actually excited to see Twitter crash and cost Elon Musk billions. Becasue I know regardless of how much money they have, losing money always hurts for billionaires, every single one of which is evil.
 
SnappleRumors said:
Which has nothing to do with it.
Btw, Occam’s razor is a banal cliche.

So again, back to your little statistic - you rule out sabotage playing a role. Is that right?
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Yes, I believe most of that is emboldened chuds, if sabotage plays a role, it’s less than 10%.
 
Skyscraperfan said:
In the weeks before TV channels and radio stations also have to air a certain amount of political ads for every party for free. While in the US you need a lot of money to show your ads on TV, in Germany even the smallest political party gets free air time. That is a duty for democracy that comes with owning a TV channel.
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Unless you are a Nationalsozialist then it would be a constitutional crime.

I'm pretty sure Elon Musk disagrees with German laws in this area and would welcome nazi political parties to Twitter, at least in principle.
 
NY Guitarist said:
Is screaming FIRE!! FIRE!! FIRE!! in a crowded movie theater, when there is in fact no fire, now considered acceptable 'free speech' or it is still 'woke'?

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Oliver Wendell Holmes Jr even disagreed with himself on that logic.

“…the best test of truth is the power of the thought to get itself accepted in the competition of the market…”
 
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0092762 said:
Hate speech isn’t “dissenting opinions”.
Also I’m not sure about who do you mean by ”terrified”, I’m actually excited to see Twitter crash and cost Elon Musk billions. Becasue I know regardless of how much money they have, losing money always hurts for billionaires, every single one of which is evil.
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You keep falling back on hate speech, but not only is this not illegal in the USA, you want to use it as a crux or shield for the rest of your discussion. It may be an affront to "polite" society, but is not illegal, and quite common out in the real world, depending on where you live.

And again, if you so wish to exist in spaces where you aren't subjected to such things, that's entirely on you, no matter where that may be. Personally, I don't mind being in such places, as words from faceless strangers are just that: words.

Lastly, I never said you yourself were terrified; just a wide swath of of the userbase from Twitter itself.
 
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Skyscraperfan said:
If a private platform is a place were hundreds of millions communicate, it should not have the power to censor anything based on strange "community guidelines". Otherwise these problem pose a great thread to democracy. The funny thing is that people from the left see it as a threat if those platform do NOT censor content. Since when was having NO censorship a threat to democracy?
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Would you argue that the government should make laws that I can come into your house and act however I want and you don't have any say in the matter? That's basically what you're arguing in favor of - that the owner of a private space cannot have any say over what goes on in that space.

If you're strongly in favor of NO censorship, then it follows that you'd be perfectly okay with tens of thousands of people on such a platform making graphic death threats against Skyscraperfan, yes? Remember, NO censorship, anything else poses a great thread threat to democracy.

But if you're strongly in favor of government taking over control of components of our modern civilization that have become too big and important to be left in the hands of the individuals and corporations that built them, then have I got a great idea for you, that would help the country even more: nationalized healthcare. Companies are siphoning off billions in profit on healthcare in this country, and people are literally dying because of it. So let's have the government step in and take over healthcare. What do you say?
 
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NY Guitarist said:
As evidenced by many comments, hate is brewing right here on MR.

Twitter will amplify the victimhood mentality used to attract the weak minded suffering with persecution complexes.
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teh_hunterer said:
Is the n-word illegal? What's it like to watch your control over what people can think and say evaporate?
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Can you try saying that on Macrumors? I double dog dare you 😂
 
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CarlJ said:
So let's have the government step in and take over healthcare. What do you say?
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Conceptually I like the thought but it hasn't worked out so well for our Veterans has it? VA wait times are disgusting and the standard of care seems to be called into question quite often. I have several Canadian friends who say to any American listening to be careful what you ask for, not paying for healthcare is great only if you can get it in a timely fashion and we (Canadians) cannot. I hear the same from Brits, long wait times.

Unfortunately I have required access to both an Orthopedic specialist (actually a few) and a Cardiologist, when I needed them I waited no more than a couple of days to see them. My Canadian friends say they can wait for months with torn cartilage just to see and Orthopedic and then months again for a surgery date.

I'm not saying that US healthcare is perfect, it isn't, but I haven't seen a well operated, efficient government system yet.
 
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Born Again said:
Can you try saying that on Macrumors? I double dog dare you 😂
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Another one that doesn't understand that you have to abide by the terms you agreed to when you signed up for twitter.
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I'm not concerned with whether you should or shouldn't say it. I'm concerned about handing over the reins of power to people who want to control what others think and say.
 
profets said:
Hard to disagree with the statements he tweeted yesterday.
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Hard to disagree with it, sure if you take his words at face value. But on of the "digital town hall" he's proposing is bringing back Donald Trump so his town hall doesn't mind lies and misinformations which surely DT will bring along with him. I don't see how that will prevent far right wing echo chamber?

"Digital Town Hall" would work if we have a tool to counter lies and misinformations, not spreading it which DT will surely does.
 
matrix07 said:
Hard to disagree with it, sure if you take his words at face value. But on of the "digital town hall" he's proposing is bringing back Donald Trump so his town hall doesn't mind lies and misinformations which surely DT will bring along with him. I don't see how that will prevent far right wing echo chamber?

"Digital Town Hall" would work if we have a tool to counter lies and misinformations, not spreading it which DT will surely does.
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People are always going to say things that are bad. There is no trustworthy, higher authority you can appeal to that will go in and cleanse all of human discourse for you. The good of free speech comes with the bad of free speech. You'll see things you don't like, you'll see things that are lies and misinformation. But you can say your piece too.

You need to face that there doesn't exist an enlightened higher being that will make people say only good things. There are only people who masquerade as that in order to entice you to hand power over to them. And doing that is the biggest mistake a society can make.
 
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Skyscraperfan said:
This is so great. Twitter was a tool to spread woke ideology and censored any opposing opinions. I got banned from Twitter for 30 days for writing that each time I see Greta Thunberg trending, I hope that she got eaten by sharks.

If a private platform is a place were hundreds of millions communicate, it should not have the power to censor anything based on strange "community guidelines". Otherwise these problem pose a great thread to democracy. The funny thing is that people from the left see it as a threat if those platform do NOT censor content. Since when was having NO censorship a threat to democracy?
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Wishing harm to another person is not free speech and you're rightly banned because of it.
 
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teh_hunterer said:
People are always going to say things that are bad. There is no trustworthy, higher authority you can appeal to that will go in and cleanse all of human discourse for you. The good of free speech comes with the bad of free speech. You'll see things you don't like, you'll see things that are lies and misinformation. But you can say your piece too.

You need to face that there doesn't exist an enlightened higher being that will make people say only good things. There are only people who masquerade as that in order to entice you to hand power over to them. And doing that is the biggest mistake a society can make.
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This is too ideological and reality-free wishing. We're in this mess because of it. Too much ideological and not enough practical.

Human are flawed and will be flawed. I don't mind lies and misinformations in top university forums. They can counter it. But in digital public place? That will be chaos.
 
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So who decides what counts as a "digital public space"? Should MR be one? Should the government step in and un-suspend the users in this thread who've been suspended? Or is it just because Twitter is "big" so it has to be a "public space"? When does a website cross the line into being a public space that should be unmoderated apart from illegal content?
 
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