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This is too ideological and reality-free wishing. We're in this mess because of it. Too much ideological and not enough practical.

Human are flawed and will be flawed. I don't mind lies and misinformations in top university forums. They can counter it. But in digital public place? That will be chaos.

If you want reality, compare societies that outlaw free speech, to those that enshrine it.
 
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When this makes people feel liberated to post racist stuff, it’s not a great start. Hard to feel positive about the future of the platform either.

So its ok in gaming lobbies but not on twitter? Trolls exist on every corner of the internet. A word only has meaning if you give power to it, like trying to cancel it.


I say good for Elon. The way he revolutionizes industries will very likely take Twitter to new heights in success.

There is no asterisk by the word freedom.
 
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I am rooting for the guy, at least he is honest about democracy and free speech. He will make Twitter neautral.

He is allowing any one to express his opinion without imposing threats on people who disagree with his political/social ideology. Many other tech. corporates take sides and ban any one who disagrees with their social/political views.
 
When this makes people feel liberated to post racist stuff, it’s not a great start. Hard to feel positive about the future of the platform either.


Isn't "racist stuff" protected by the law of "FREE speech" ?

Free means no restriction, otherwise... its restricted, then we get into the debate of..."What is restricted, why, who makes these decisions, and what is the punishment for speaking?"

Will criticising the US president be restricted? Will exposing cults like scientology be restricted? Can you criticise corporates who deal in unethical business behaviours like child labour?
 
When this makes people feel liberated to post racist stuff, it’s not a great start. Hard to feel positive about the future of the platform either.

Um where have you been for years?

This isn’t a change at all it may be a trend but racism has ALWAYS been there and also always and growing on FB as well.

I don’t see any change yet just more that’s highlighted by those hoping for change to be immediate. It won’t happen though, not so quickly. Unfortunately.
 
I ask again, what is it like to watch your control over what people think and say evaporate?
Twitter isn’t the defacto public forum for speech. There are plenty of other outlets like
Um where have you been for years?

This isn’t a change at all it may be a trend but racism has ALWAYS been there and also always and growing on FB as well.

I don’t see any change yet just more that’s highlighted by those hoping for change to be immediate. It won’t happen though, not so quickly. Unfortunately.
Twitter isn’t a forum for these racist idiots. They’ll be banned.
 
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Would you argue that the government should make laws that I can come into your house and act however I want and you don't have any say in the matter? That's basically what you're arguing in favor of - that the owner of a private space cannot have any say over what goes on in that space.

If you're strongly in favor of NO censorship, then it follows that you'd be perfectly okay with tens of thousands of people on such a platform making graphic death threats against Skyscraperfan, yes? Remember, NO censorship, anything else poses a great thread threat to democracy.

But if you're strongly in favor of government taking over control of components of our modern civilization that have become too big and important to be left in the hands of the individuals and corporations that built them, then have I got a great idea for you, that would help the country even more: nationalized healthcare. Companies are siphoning off billions in profit on healthcare in this country, and people are literally dying because of it. So let's have the government step in and take over healthcare. What do you say?
Health care is a good example where the free market does not really work. The United States have the most overpriced health care system. A woman posted he chemo therapy bill. A single dose was $46,000. Her health insurance paid for that, but of cause costs like that make premiums very expensive. In Germany a dose of chemo therapy costs less than $3,000 because their are price limits imposed by the government.

It seems there is a different definition of private in the US. Of course your home also is private in Germany and you do not have to let strangers in. There is one exception though. If the stranger needs a toilet and there is no other option for him in the next few minutes, he has the right to use your toilet. I would not let a stranger in anyway - especially during a pandemic - but at least the law says I have to. A platform that is used my thousands of millions of people however is not seen as "private" in Germany. A concert for example is not a private event. Hate speech of an artist during a concert would be considered "public hate speech". Public transport for example also is a public space and there are rules for public spaces, even if the public transport is run by a private company.

What is very disturbing is that in the United Stated there are even private cities owned by Disney. That is the end of democracy. You can't elect a mayor there, because Disney owns everything and makes all the rules. In the case of cities of course you still have enough options to live in a government owned city, but with social networks that is not the case. There is no alternative to social networks owned by private companies. That's why it is dangerous to allow them to make their own rules. In India there already is a plan for a privately owned city for more than a million people. How many rules should be private company be allowed to make there?
 
No, those kinds of rights are a very American idea. In the German constitution we have a clause "With ownership come duties". That very much restricts what you can do with things you own. That might sound like socialism for an American, but it avoids many problems that America has. For example it gives the government a tool against excessive drug prices. You also can't do anything that is a threat to democracy. We even have laws that force owners of television channels to give some hours of screen time per week to third party media like big newspapers. In the weeks before TV channels and radio stations also have to air a certain amount of political ads for every party for free. While in the US you need a lot of money to show your ads on TV, in Germany even the smallest political party gets free air time. That is a duty for democracy that comes with owning a TV channel.
US is a sovereign country while Germany is not. Period. The Chancellors Act that has to be signed by every Chancellor is making sure that Germany "coordinates" its actions with the Washington DC. Nice and fairly intelligent story about the "duty, ownership, democracy and responsibilities" though.

Ironically Hitler who was a puppet himself made sure that the Germany will remain a puppet indefinitely into the future. There should be a sticker with Hitler in Germany saying: "I did that!"

The average person assumes that the nationalists(aka nazis) are working for the interests of their country when in reality they are doing the exact opposite in favor of the outside interests. There is a reason why flying a US flag is not necessary a welcomed portrayal of the patriotism as US have statesmanship competencies to understand the implications very well.
 
Germany is way better than USA in general and since they have extensive experience in how allowing hate speech accelerates the process of becoming a fascist country, they ban it.
So this is where it gets really complicated. There is a reason why Germany is "better" than USA and there is also a reason why Germany's manufacturing and capital might be relocating to the USA.
 
That all y'all going on about twitter and freedom of speech is hilarious. Twitter has **** all to do do with free speech as it is not a part of any us government, which is the only place that freedom of speech counts. For twitter and places ike MacRumors it is only about the terms of service you agreed to when you signed up. They are not preventing your freedom of speech, as they can't. They are holding you to the terms that you agreed to when you signed up.

Maybe once you all figure out the difference people might take you more seriously.
Simply put you’re a corporate vanguard. Just because they can does not mean they should. Any company that originated from the United States may honor the spirit of freedom of speech. Censorship is the antithesis. Your values as an American citizen should mirror your life endeavors. Of course nothing is unfettered. Such as the example of yelling fire in a crowded theater when there is no fire. Threats or intent to cause harm can be regulated. Other than that, no. We aren’t going to agree so this is going to go nowhere. Bye.
 
So this is where it gets really complicated. There is a reason why Germany is "better" than USA and there is also a reason why Germany's manufacturing and capital might be relocating to the USA.
Two completely unrelated subjects. Germany not having natural resources like the USA and the War in Ukraine is the reason for the latter. Not allowing hate speech is just one of the reasons for the former, along with not having metal detectors in schools or six figure hospital bills.
 
Two completely unrelated subjects. Germany not having natural resources like the USA and the War in Ukraine is the reason for the latter. Not allowing hate speech is just one of the reasons for the former, along with not having metal detectors in schools or six figure hospital bills.
The encouragement of the nationalists in Ukraine as well as Prescott Bush being involved in bringing Hitler into power all happened by itself, right? Apparently "good things" take work whether we like it or not.
 
It also isn't a place for leftist activists to take over long after it's established and pretend it's a defacto public forum for speech. At least not anymore.
Sounds like a case for the “forum”

It is amazing though that people think that twitter will be this no holds bar forum.

It can’t and won’t.
 
But on of the "digital town hall" he's proposing is bringing back Donald Trump so his town hall doesn't mind lies and misinformation

The wonderful thing about Twitter is that you aren’t forced to see anyone’s “lies and misinformation”. Don’t look. Don’t follow. Swipe. That way, you can simply follow and view the “lies and misinformation” you agree with.
 
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