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I think he was trying to convey his disappointment at Apple for lack of innovation after Steve Jobs. And we all very well know that. To be honest, Apple Watch has not been that appreciated beyond the apple fan base and the apple paid analysts.
Honestly does anyone think Elon Musk really cares about what products Apple is releasing? I use an Watch every day. I honestly couldn't care less what Elon Musk or tech journalists or the Silicon Valley bubble thinks of it.

On The Mac Observer daily podcast Bryan Chaffin said its a lie that Apple's only hiring people Tesla fired. He's got sources in the Bay Area and he says people are coming and going to/from Tesla to/from Apple and plenty of other companies. I have no doubt Musk knows what he said wasn't accurate. He's just being braggadocios.
 
Oh I don't think he's not welcoming Apple, I have no doubt Apple is happily using all the technology Musk made open source. I don't see Apple making stuff open source and giving it to Microsoft, no instead I see them making inflammatory remarks about refrigerators and toasters. At this point I'd say Musk is helping Apple out much more than Apple is helping Musk.
I agree. How many times we have seen Apple open sourcing their innovation and asking for the companies to build better phones? Nope.. instead Apple wants to go thermo-nuclear on any company that wants to build a similar product or drag them to court for silly things.
 
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"Very few have left for Apple, but we've hired 150 or so of theirs."

Elon, you have a great company making a great product. But if we're honest here, who values whose employees more, based on the actual data?
 
I really hope that Musk underestimates Apple because Musk feels that Tesla is invincible (in its respective auto industry) and has zero competition in their league. ......

This is where you got Musk wrong. If Musk thought Tesla was invincible or he was afraid of competition, he would not have open sourced all patents! Don't look at Musk from the microscope of Apple. You will be very disappointed! Musk is a scientist first, business man later. Apple is profit first, innovation later.
 
I think he was trying to convey his disappointment at Apple for lack of innovation after Steve Jobs. And we all very well know that. To be honest, Apple Watch has not been that appreciated beyond the apple fan base and the apple paid analysts.


No. Only the paid anti-AAPL analysts push that.
 
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Honestly does anyone think Elon Musk really cares about what products Apple is releasing? I use an Watch every day. I honestly couldn't care less what Elon Musk or tech journalists or the Silicon Valley bubble thinks of it.

On The Mac Observer daily podcast Bryan Chaffin said its a lie that Apple's only hiring people Tesla fired. He's got sources in the Bay Area and he says people are coming and going to/from Tesla to/from Apple and plenty of other companies. I have no doubt Musk knows what he said wasn't accurate. He's just being braggadocios.


It's more than that. Tesla is losing valuable people and Musk is trying to create the fiction that only fired people and losers leave and go to Apple. It's not just self-serving for what has happened. It's trying to keep more of it from happening. Musk is very bright but his best talent is promoting Musk and everything Musk.
 
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I own most Apple products and a Tesla Model S, I can assure you that Tesla is where the innovation lies.

Is Tesla perfect? Absolutely not, but they're way ahead of Apple in ambition and vision.
Tesla Innovation: Insane mode (0-60 in 3.2 seconds) -> Ludicrous mode(0-60 in 2.8 seconds)
Apple Innovation: 3D Touch (press a little more to see the preview of your email or press a little more than before to see the full email)

We know where the innovations are happening ok? Tesla should shut up because their innovation is nothing in front of 3D Touch! I mean NOTHING!!
 
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It's more than that. Tesla is losing valuable people and Musk is trying to create the fiction that only fired people and losers leave and go to Apple. It's not just self-serving for what has happened. It's trying to keep more of it from happening. Musk is very bright but his best talent is promoting Musk and everything Musk.

Yep. And honestly what a crappy thing to say. And imagine if you're one of these former Tesla employees hearing that your former boss basically called you crap. But maybe it will motivate these people to want to kick his you know what. And maybe he made these comments to scare other employees off from leaving.

Ha, Musk is backtracking already tweeting that he loves Apple, Apple products, they have very talented people working there and he's glad they're doing an EV. As for the Watch musk says:

"Regarding the watch, Jony & his team created a beautiful design, but the functionality isn't compelling yet. By version 3, it will be."

I don't think Steve Jobs would ever walk back his trash talk. :D
 
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Wow, what a great way to insult a huge part of your customer base.

He insulted Apple, a corporation, not customers. If you think that somehow him insulting Apple, a corporation somehow reflects on you, then you need counseling. I think the Apple watch is ****, does that make you feel like I just disrespected your mother?
 
Right because everyone needs an electric vehicle that goes 0 to 60 in three seconds. That's what everyone is clamoring for. Mind me again how many vehicles Tesla sells in a quarter?
Yup! The same way everybody needs the amazing Live Photo.
 
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Right because everyone needs an electric vehicle that goes 0 to 60 in three seconds. That's what everyone is clamoring for. Mind me again how many vehicles Tesla sells in a quarter?

If you think 0-60 is the only thing that sets Tesla apart from other manufacturers, you're too ignorant to even have a discussion with on this topic. Do some research, you aren't ready.
 
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Regarding the watch, Jony & his team created a beautiful design, but the functionality isn't compelling yet. By version 3, it will be.

Yo, I don't hate Apple. It's a great company with a lot of talented people. I love their products and I'm glad they're doing an EV.
 
Wow didn't take long to back peddle. I guess the Apple mafia got to him? :D
 
He didn't.. he said version 3.. not even 2.. that means Apple watch is usable after 2 years or so :)
Tony Fadell basically said the same thing, comparing it to the iPhone. One could argue that the 3GS was the first really good iPhone.
 
Apple doesn't enter a crowded market unless they bring a compelling competitive advantage with them. If Apple ships a car, I will short Tesla. I'm still kicking myself for not shorting the hell out of RIM when the iPhone was announced.

-jcr
 
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Not sure everyone would agree that Tesla is the most innovative company of the second century. Maybe that's what it will become but right now it's just selling expensive EVs to wealthy hipsters. I'd love to see Musk's reaction if Apple decided to partner with BMW.

What an arrogant, elitist thing to say. Who's the snob here now?
 
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I think he was trying to convey his disappointment at Apple for lack of innovation after Steve Jobs. And we all very well know that. To be honest, Apple Watch has not been that appreciated beyond the apple fan base and the apple paid analysts.
I admit to being part of the Apple fan base, and I do love my Apple watch. I don't quite understand, however, why being an Apple fan undermines my opinion of the watch, or makes it less valid than if I had never owned an Apple product. But if I were to find a person who had never owned an Apple product until the watch and loved it...would that alter your opinion? I doubt it.

This is the issue I have with those who always take Apple to task for a lack of "innovation"--which critics of Apple have bene doing from the start. Apple, it can rightly be said, didn't invent anything utterly new. The computer mouse and the touch screen phone, for example, were around before Apple introduced them. But then, the engineering view of Apple has always missed the point in its accusations that products like the Mac and iPhone were lacking in innovation.

It's not about producing something that's utterly new and never been done before. Apple's innovation has always been in seeing what could be done with the existing innovation that no one else has done with it. And in that, I'd argue, they're still in the lead. If they're failing, however, to come out with products that explode on the scene and change the world...well, Jobs, himself, pointed out that one is "lucky to have worked on even one such product in a lifetime..." '

Anyone who expects Apple to produce such products yearly is going to be perpetually disappointed. And that isn't Apple's fault or lack of innovation. It is the fault of the one holding them to such impossible standards.
 
I don't think the majority of commenters here understand Elon Musk. He isn't your typical CEO. He has given interview after interview basically stating he wants to save the world. His goal is worldwide change on transport, not selling cars. This is why he's at least happy Apple is trying to make an EV. The more the better.
 
I'll add that I think this Elon's zinger here will come back to bite him. And I don't mean that Apple will do it. Apple, under Cook, tends to take the high road. But unless Elon is being scrupulously honest, and all ex-Tesla engineers working for Apple were fired....

Imagine you're an ex-Tesla worker who left Tesla for whatever reason and now work for Apple. You weren't fired, and maybe you liked working for Tesla and it was just time to leave or you needed to move or whatever. But now everyone who knows you're ex-Tesla working for Apple thinks you were fired.

Now, you have a reason to get on the internet and say not-nice-things about Tesla. Because your reputation is at stake. You weren't fired and you're not only going to want to say so, but you're going to want to get back at Elon for that lie.

Of course, maybe he is telling the truth. Maybe every ex-Tesla engineer working at Apple *was* fired. If not...well, like I said. This could come back to bite him.
 
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While I do love the Tesla cars, he's talking ****. They are worried and rightly so. Apple has a huge following and many have money, if Apple starts selling crack they will buy it.
 
I don't think the majority of commenters here understand Elon Musk. He isn't your typical CEO. He has given interview after interview basically stating he wants to save the world. His goal is worldwide change on transport, not selling cars. This is why he's at least happy Apple is trying to make an EV. The more the better.
I thank you for explaining him, and I have always held him in high regard; Tesla is a great company and we owe a lot to him for it. I'm sure he does want to save the world, and I'm sure he's plenty happy with companies that are also doing their best towards that, Apple included. But CEO's who get to do such interviews, who get such publicity, do have to watch themselves. Jobs forgot this too, now and then. and both he and Apple suffered for it.

Which is to say, what he said should *not* have to be explained to us to show that he didn't mean it that way. Or that he was joking, or it was a back-handed compliment, or whatever it was. If we've taken it wrong, then how he said it, or how it was reported, has come across in a way that isn't making Elon look the way he wants to look.

But I'll certainly give him a pass as I did Steve Jobs. As he got older, Steve learned how to be far more savvy when giving interviews, and Elon probably needs to learn that, too. I'm not saying it's fair or right that anyone has to learn such, or that anyone has to be held accountable for making jokes that no one would have mistaken back when they were just the creator of some innovative start-up company...but that's the way it is. That much power and attention is what you want to change the world, but it comes at a price...you also have to watch how you present yourself and how you come across. You have to watch what you say and how you say it.

That's just the reality of being in that sort of position.
 
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