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While I do love the Tesla cars, he's talking ****. They are worried and rightly so. Apple has a huge following and many have money, if Apple starts selling crack they will buy it.

Umm... if anyone starts selling crack they will buy it
 
Back to the profit thing, this has been discussed and agreed to death, you only mention profit when real world things like products are not up to scratch with the competitions offerings... End of...
I don't understand what the problem is with me mentioning profit. Maybe you thought I was trying to make a point that I was not trying to make.
 
We live in a global economy. I couldn't care less where something is made. If it's more economically viable to make products in China or Mecico or wherever so be it. Let's see Tesla make a profitable care here in the USA.
It's better for the U.S. for companies to make things in the U.S. Not going to happen, but it would be nice. I don't see why you would not care about that.
 
We live in a global economy. I couldn't care less where something is made. If it's more economically viable to make products in China or Mecico or wherever so be it. Let's see Tesla make a profitable care here in the USA.
Say that to the people who have lost jobs because of outsourcing. I am not wishing this, but god forbid if that happened to you, I want to see what would be your opinion about global economy.
 
Tim's not worried. Tesla may have Elon Musk, but Apple has Dr Dre.
 
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Say that to the people who have lost jobs because of outsourcing. I am not wishing this, but god forbid if that happened to you, I want to see what would be your opinion about global economy.

Are you saying a job and a livelihood in the US is worth more than a job and a livelihood in China or Mexico?
 
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Regarding the watch, Jony & his team created a beautiful design, but the functionality isn't compelling yet. By version 3, it will be.

Yo, I don't hate Apple. It's a great company with a lot of talented people. I love their products and I'm glad they're doing an EV.

The price of his cars haven't been compelling yet. By version 10, maybe one will be.
 
Wouldn't it be considered slander if he suggests all the people that left Tesla to work at Apple were fired by Tesla? That could potentially hurt your reputation.
 
Are you saying a job and a livelihood in the US is worth more than a job and a livelihood in China or Mexico?

You'd have to be either trolling or bordering on illiterate to think that's what's being said. US based companies taking US dollars by selling to US customers then turning around and investing those US dollars into foreign labor is the point.
 
Say that to the people who have lost jobs because of outsourcing. I am not wishing this, but god forbid if that happened to you, I want to see what would be your opinion about global economy.
Say that to the people who have gained jobs because of outsourcing ;)
The only reason I don't like it is because it goes from the U.S. to China, not the other way.
 
Hmmfp...he was being kind there. That car was ****.
Indeed it was! But that's not the point. Musk has a track record of being tactless. Fits in beautifully with today's culture of "keeping it real" instead of keeping it civil. There are lots of ways to say something.
 
No, I am really not underestimating his efforts in the technology, not at all. All I am saying is that it's still very early to spit out a purely electric vehicle with existing technology. The real automobile giants are not naive. And they will certainly not waiting until some messiah like Elon shows up and tell them what to do. That being said, Elon may make some progress with his company and make money and make him and his shareholders rich, but he will not make a revolutionary product like this ever. Simply said, battery technology is not there yet. And his other project the home battery thing is even worse: his dream is to cover the world in lithium batteries... that will charge using the most inefficient tech that exists, PV cells efficient at a max 15% of solar radiation.... Jeez the man is a hill billy

Well, too early or not, they seem to have a hit, albeit an expensive one. If I had the cash, I'd buy one.

But, I agree they are early on the scene. I'm sure others will join them eventually, but by doing what they've done, they will likely be the leader in name recognition in it. As to the automotive giants being naive.... yea, naive or stupid... take your pick. (cf. VW for a current example) Not necessarily for not having electric cars... but in general. It's not like Tesla entered a competitive rapidly advancing market or anything.

re: solar panels - Well, he seems all in on everything from Global Warming to A.I. to populating distant planets. Desperate times, desperate measures I guess. That doesn't mean he actually understands those things.
 
Elon Musk ‏@elonmusk
Regarding the watch, Jony & his team created a beautiful design, but the functionality isn't compelling yet. By version 3, it will be.

Yo, I don't hate Apple. It's a great company with a lot of talented people. I love their products and I'm glad they're doing an EV.

OK, I guess I have to agree with him there. But, I thought the context of his statements about the Watch were about design and manufacturing capabilities. The Watch is a brilliant piece of engineering... it just isn't all that useful or compelling.
 
Now, let's talk about Tesla's computer systems, i.e. the goofy 17" touch screen they put in there. Actually, any car's computer systems. They all suck. Can't wait for Apple or Google to do something about it.
 
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Mmm...
Battery tech is maybe the hottest field of research right now and there's already ample breakthroughs in R&D that will ensure very, very competitive electric vehicles (in terms of range) in just a few years

I actually have 3 PhD students working in next generation batteries. And I work in one of the top 5 research organisations in the world. I don't see anything in the research pipeline that could suddenly change anything in this field unfortunately.
 
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Mmm...


I actually have 3 PhD students working in next generation batteries. And I work in one of the top 5 research organisations in the world. I don't see anything in the research pipeline that could suddenly change anything in this field unfortunately.

Aluminum-ion tech, like at Stanford? (Unless that's a long way off, what I've read about it would pretty much revolutionize the industry.)
 
Mmm...


I actually have 3 PhD students working in next generation batteries. And I work in one of the top 5 research organisations in the world. I don't see anything in the research pipeline that could suddenly change anything in this field unfortunately.

The funny thing is that there are dozens of candidates techs (we hear about them a few times a year), but none can come out of the labs and be manufactured in volume for a good price.

So, basically better theoretical specs, but from a real world point of view, still non starters.

If your doing something for the defense department though, where money is no object, there could be things that eventually make it there. Where niche applications, where money is no object, could drive some development. That's how many things got into our lives, through military use first.
 
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How was my post pro-Apple? I'm extremely bearish on the whole Apple Car project. I feel like it's a departure from Apple's core products and is something most users will not be able to refresh regularly.
 
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I was only half joking! Apple has so much money it's not at all out of their reach to build a decent car and given their clout, given how many people with money would want Apple to build their phone, computer, watch, car and maybe house - it's not far fetched to imagine they will have a good start. Beyond that it's just a matter of them remaining invested in it. It will take a lot of undoing to come to a point where they don't dominate in one way or the other.

oh apple will build car no problem, yet they needed extra 6 months to finish watch that does nothing really. Musk was right, you can't just call foxconn and have them build you a car. They cant even fix wifi on some mac....and they will build cars?
And btw, what does apple really do? They dont manifacture or develop lcd screen, then for sure dont develop any part for Mac (cpu, gpu, ram, ssd) other than couple of controllers. Maybe they do something with mobile chips and gpu, but not really sure if they actually invent them.
 
oh apple will build car no problem, yet they needed extra 6 months to finish watch that does nothing really. Musk was right, you can't just call foxconn and have them build you a car. They cant even fix wifi on some mac....and they will build cars?
And btw, what does apple really do? They dont manifacture or develop lcd screen, then for sure dont develop any part for Mac (cpu, gpu, ram, ssd) other than couple of controllers. Maybe they do something with mobile chips and gpu, but not really sure if they actually invent them.

Umm, you don't just call Foxconn and have them build you a phone either. And, you might want to Google a bit and read up on how Eberhard started Tesla... and what was so key to him realizing it was a doable project.

And, while I just don't know enough about the details behind the manufacturing processes, engineering, and off-the-shelf aspects of either company... if I had to make a bet, I'd put my money on Apple doing more custom engineering work than Tesla.
 
I don't understand what the problem is with me mentioning profit. Maybe you thought I was trying to make a point that I was not trying to make.
As company is not valued by its bank balance, but by the products, services and innovations it offers the world.. Whenever an ifan feels Apple's offerings are sub par, they instantly resort to quoting balance sheets which is redic as that has no bearing to the man in the street..
 
I don't think the majority of commenters here understand Elon Musk. He isn't your typical CEO. He has given interview after interview basically stating he wants to save the world. His goal is worldwide change on transport, not selling cars. This is why he's at least happy Apple is trying to make an EV. The more the better.
You know what, making another race car doesn't change the world of transportation.

Young people in Germany buying fewer cars
Young Americans are abandoning car ownership and driving
Japan's young won't rally round the car

See? The world has changed already without this self-important prick.
 
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