A company is literally valued by its share price times its number of shares. I'm not trying to make a statement about doing good. Yeah, I think Tesla helps the world more than Apple does. I wasn't saying anything about that.
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Elon Musk: If You Don't Make It at Tesla, You Go Work at Apple
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Nah, you don't think. You just make things up. At least try to make an argument why the world is better off with Tesla in it?
I am a fanboy, I just happen to really hate Tim Cook and think he is doing a terrible job, Even Jony said Jobs left a road map of where Apple is going for years to come I would imagine that the Apple Watch was his idea and all, Tim is doing nothing at Apple but still following the road map of jobs he is nothing more than an errand boy trying to maximise money. While incredibly talented people around Tim make products - you think Tim Cook could have come up with an iPhone or Mac? Hell no, he is a business man and look where that got Apple before. And yes I agree with you, Apple Watch is v.1 AS I SAID, it has potential, that's what I meant the watch now, IS terrible is doesn't do much that say a 100£ Fitbit and iPhone in your pocket would t get you. But in the future - man is it going to be a game changer!! And I'm so excited about that!
As far as how would it measure your blood pressure that's a silly question really, I read in the rumours that it could have that by the strap measuring the blood flow through your wrist (I'm sure there are lots of ways this could be done, just because you can't think of a way it couldn't be done doesn't mean it couldn't have it?? What an ignorant point to make!
Exactly. The level of 'education' and 'common sense' in this forum is mind boggling
Dais group you mean?
It's different. Pretty low 'capacity', so it's not for mobile electronics technology. The main point in that is that you can charge fast. It also uses carbon/graphite. Cool paper and decent technology, but atleast 10 years away of it becomes commercial for grid storage. Nothing revolutionary in my humble opinion.
It's fascinating that not much has changed in battery technology over the years. It's like the combustion engine
We need something different to make tesla or similar cars a big success.
Whenever somebody is braging about Apples profit, he kinda forgets that he is the sheep thah beaner counter Tim and co. are shaving. While I understand that every company is here for profit, I belive that there is no other company that is so shameless than apple. They sell Macs that are 3x the price, yet offer way lower performance (integrated graphics card, measly 128 SSD, 4g of ram) than modern base win computer. Lets not forget ****** screens on macbook air(bleedthrough from the start, cheap panel in 1.5k euro machine), keyboard scratching screens. And with all the trouble that OS X is having for last 4 years, Win is just as good if not better (it is faster, than is not even debatable).
Further more they are keeping features for the sake of next year cycle (ram in iphone is the best example).
This is regional problem:
apple stuff is having insane price increces over last year. It just doesn't make much sense to buy some of their products (case in point: iMac 27 base model in usa is 1700 dollars, in EU its 2300 euro.... that is 2600 dollars!!!. Even with american tax added the price difference is just to much for normal person to not feel offended and like money sheep).
True about iPhone and foxconn, I agree with you on that one.
Who is doing more engineering stuff its hard to say. I belive only insiders know what anybody actually do in-house.
I love both companies dearly. But I honestly side with Tesla on this one. Apple is kind of a douche for poaching high talent at another wonderful company. They've been known for doing this to Google employees, too, before they made an agreement to stop that.
We need brilliant minds at both of these companies. But if someone specializes in automobile design, I think I'd prefer them to be at Tesla! I guess that all depends, though.
Is Apple planning on making a car? Are they using car designers for inspiration towards future computer products? Will these products turn out so unimaginably beautiful that I'd make the iPhone 4 and iPhone 5 look like antiquated toys?
That all remains to be seen. But for the time being, I understand where Elon Musk is coming from. He has every right to be upset. And Apple should have more respect for themselves than poaching at Elon's company...
Also, I really doubt Apple is jumping into the car market. I highly doubt it. The amount of capital required to do that is immense. It would almost completely erode Apple's huge stock pile of money they're sitting on. Which would cut in to their ability to focus on and innovate their core products - computers, phones, mp3 players, etc.
Apple has, in the past, had car designers and engineers on their design team to help innovate industrial design for their computer products. I really just don't see them side jumping into the car-making industry. It would be too random and not very business smart.
We need brilliant minds at both of these companies. But if someone specializes in automobile design, I think I'd prefer them to be at Tesla! I guess that all depends, though.
Is Apple planning on making a car? Are they using car designers for inspiration towards future computer products? Will these products turn out so unimaginably beautiful that I'd make the iPhone 4 and iPhone 5 look like antiquated toys?
That all remains to be seen. But for the time being, I understand where Elon Musk is coming from. He has every right to be upset. And Apple should have more respect for themselves than poaching at Elon's company...
Also, I really doubt Apple is jumping into the car market. I highly doubt it. The amount of capital required to do that is immense. It would almost completely erode Apple's huge stock pile of money they're sitting on. Which would cut in to their ability to focus on and innovate their core products - computers, phones, mp3 players, etc.
Apple has, in the past, had car designers and engineers on their design team to help innovate industrial design for their computer products. I really just don't see them side jumping into the car-making industry. It would be too random and not very business smart.
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Tesla will be flat until they can produce a car that can compete with the 100 mile choices consumers have to endure the pitiful 100 mile range!
I know Tesla fanboys will say the Model X will be that car but I don't see it being sold just yet!
I know Tesla fanboys will say the Model X will be that car but I don't see it being sold just yet!
Yeah, right. Elon Musk has a company that literally builds ****ing rocket ships. And he heads that company, AND an eco-friendly electric car company at the same time. So you're right. Building cars isn't rocket science. But building cars AND rockets? Not to mention other "small projects" like PayPay, solar city, etc.
He studied applied physics.. at Standford. He's literally a rocket scientist.
What say you to that?
Except, nobody said anything like that. Elon Musk suggested Apple hires people who have been fired at Tesla in advance, hence Apple is referred to as an Tesla graveyard.
Yeah, you should learn how to read between the lines. That's not how "poaching" works. Elon, like any business savvy person, was obviously trying to save face by phrasing it that way. Poaching is seeking active employees at a company - not fired ones.
Tesla was a startup with way less capital than Apple. I'd say Apple has a very good chance at being just as successful as Tesla and may even eclipse them. Elon Musk talking smack seems foolish at this point.
Apple is quite good at manufacturing metals. http://www.aluminum.org/thank-you-steve-jobs
The Mac Pro and Apple Watch are both good examples of Apple's manufacturing prowess.
This guy must think a lot of himself. I know he's CEO of Tesla which is a great company but really?
I love how people who don't work at Apple and most likely don't know anybody that does work at Apple seem to think they know so much about the company. If Tim Cook is so awful, why did Steve Jobs recommend him for CEO. And how come none of his direct reports have left (besides the ones he fired)? I can't imagine they'd want to work for someone who is just a "errand boy trying to maximize money".
Yeah, right. Elon Musk has a company that literally builds ****ing rocket ships. And he heads that company, AND an eco-friendly electric car company at the same time. So you're right. Building cars isn't rocket science. But building cars AND rockets? Not to mention other "small projects" like PayPay, solar city, etc.
He studied applied physics.. at Standford. He's literally a rocket scientist.
What say you to that?
Meanwhile Steve Jobs was a poser that couldn't even write code.
Steve, just like Thasan already explained you: we are simply NOT there yet. Technology is not there. Some folks believe they can use Solar energy on their homes and charge those cars: it's foolish, expensive and time consuming. People talk about things they know nothing about. At best a solar panel will only produce like 250Wh. These cars have batteries rated at 90kWh+! (do the math: you will need 4 panels per kW or 180panels to charge the behemoth in one hour, or 360 panels to charge it in 30mins. you will also need a roof with an area of more than 600 sq. meters!!!)The sun shines according to where you are for like I don't know, 5hrs. How do you expect to charge your car at night???? Steve, the car giants are not naïve. I believe the answer will come in some sort of hydrogen fuel cell technology that is clean and will replace oil. On the other hand one can make a small and light (very light) electric car that will move in the cities and charge in your garage. This is possible. But a large sedan that is heavy and needs 500bhp this is a mistake. I predict decent solutions will once again come from VW/Mercedes/BMW/Audi. These companies have the cash and the will to make this happen.
Than make one and earn the billions in your own pocket. Jesus, can't Apple get any credit for what they've accomplished? Not even Google can make money with Android. But Egon Musk the rocket scientist is the smartest kid in town. Again how many satellites has Space X transported safely into orbit compared to Ariane Space?