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Do you really believe everyone should have a platform? What about Hitler? Charles Manson? Should those people have a platform? Where is your line? And if you don't have a line, do you really think the world could survive without one? Because I'm sure allowing everyone a platform is the quickest way to all-out anarchy, misery, war and violence. We can debate what the line is, sure. But there's gotta be one. There's gotta be.
Everyone means everyone no matter how offensive they may be, that's the ENTIRE point of free speech.
 
What is a bit confusing.. the right is cheering this as a "free speech" move, thinking the orange buffoon will be tweeting again, when he, himself has said he would not... but then again, he hasn't been the truth sayer in the past so who really knows.

Also, the right is anti green energy, yet they are now rooting for Musk today? Hypocrite much?

Finally.. Musk claims he is all for free speech, yet he has blocked countless people on Twitter?

Such nonsense
 
... a drive by the radical left to pack the Supreme Court ...

And how many Supreme Court justices were appointed by Trump in his single 4-year term?

Three?

Also federal appointments... again in just 4 years:

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Been on for 13 years, and it’s now time to go. Sad day.

Like someone else said, lack of moderation doesn’t mean free speech, it means a hell scape of harassment. Will be encouraging everyone I know to move to Mastodon, but more than likely will just end up leaving non-Instagram social media altogether.

And with that... we have a muted thread. Go off, Elon nerds lol.

Whom said anything about lack of moderation. It’s been 1 sided for years.
I’m not gonna care if a former president comes back and babbles, but he does have the right to.

There is a BIG difference between stupidity, malicious and danger to society vs right to free speech. Leaving just because a new owner wants to improve and open source the decisions’ algorithm shows you’re not prepared to fight for your own free speech but just run.

I say stick around and see how it evolves. Musk could screw things up, or his team that he brings in. It’s possible, just as possible as he can really improve it. Sure as hell the flip-flopping of the former CEO first praising Musk and when he chose made it seem like he was distasteful = THAT to me is a form of censorship and back-stabbing. That’s worse than arbitrarily blocking anyone regardless of their views of opinion.

For those of you afraid of definition of opinion (and don’t have built-in dictionaries in your devices):
 

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What is a bit confusing.. the right is cheering this as a "free speech" move, thinking the orange buffoon will be tweeting again, when he, himself has said he would not... but then again, he hasn't been the truth sayer in the past so who really knows.

Also, the right is anti green energy, yet they are now rooting for Musk today? Hypocrite much?

Finally.. Musk claims he is all for free speech, yet he has blocked countless people on Twitter?

Such nonsense
Nice strawman, but our excitement about this has nothing to do with President Trump, it's about removing woke leftist shills from one of the largest media companies and removing censorship from one of the largest social media platforms in the world.
 
Doesn’t matter if I agree or disagree — if it hastens the demise of Twitter and other cancerous social media platforms, then let’s go! :D
 
Depends what the contract is with those that put up the majority of the money... maybe it is simply a loan? I can't see any specifics. The BBC phrase it interestingly.

Edit: Sorry, missed the end of your post, below the link. So it's purely debt, in his name. Fair enough.
Honestly we’re all speculating based on secondary sources.

I’ve posted what I think it is given what I’ve read, but the reality could of course be different.
 
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Nice strawman, but our excitement about this has nothing to do with President Trump, it's about removing woke leftist shills from one of the largest media companies and removing censorship from one of the largest social media platforms in the world.
But you will root for Musk when convenient? And it's ok for musk himself to censor people?


Pick a lane...
 
Just a reminder that less content moderation ≠ more free speech.

It just means that the speech of the vulnerable, the harassed, and the targets of hate speech will be silenced, or at least chilled

Elon has a long hill to climb to prove that he now cares about the fair, but perhaps not favorable, views of everyone, particularly as they relate to him and his companies personally.
what , Free Speech is Free Speech and that included “Hate” Speech . My issue with Term Hate Speech is that it literally depends on the individual offended by it.
 
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Does Twitter have to allow "free speech" in the first place?

I thought it was a private company?

🤔

"No" would be the answer

They also shouldn't endeavor to allow things like "hate speech"

I'm not sure who on Earth thinks any platform where that is tolerated is a place anyone but the worst kind of people would want to frequent.

I'm not even sure what some folks are advocating for.
It seems like there is a contingent of the "I just want to see the world burn" crowd out there.
 
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Musk defined his goal for Twitter....
“A good sign as to whether there is free speech is: Is someone you don’t like allowed to say something you don’t like? If that is the case, then we have free speech"

Yet...
Those who have said things Musk didn’t like have seen their reputations publicly trashed. Vernon Unsworth, a British caver who helped rescue 12 boys trapped in Thailand, called Musk’s efforts to help a “PR stunt” in 2018. Musk retaliated by calling him a “pedo guy.” Then he paid $50,000 to a dubious private investigator to dig into Unsworth’s background in the U.K. and Thailand. He also attempted to depose a reporter, Ryan Mac, who was covering Unsworth’s defamation lawsuit against Musk.

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Musk went after Martin Tripp, a worker at Tesla’s battery plant in Nevada. Tripp saw himself as an idealist trying to improve the company’s operations; Musk viewed him as a dangerous foe who engaged in sabotage and shared data with the press and “unknown third parties.”
Tesla’s PR department spread false rumors that Tripp was possibly homicidal and had threatened to “shoot the place up,” even though authorities had already determined that Tripp posed no immediate threat and wasn’t armed.

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Another employee was fired six days after he posted a YouTube video of his Tesla Model 3 running into a traffic pylon while using “FSD Beta,” an early version of software that Tesla has rolled out to roughly 100,000 people.

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And then there’s the case of Jack Sweeney, a Florida teenager who tracks private jets. A few months ago, Musk reached out to him and offered $5,000 to shut down the “Elon’s Jet” account, Sweeney said. Musk viewed it as a security risk. Sweeney asked for $50,000, which Musk refused. The billionaire then blocked some of the social media accounts connected to Sweeney.

He's not the white knight people think
 
Musk defined his goal for Twitter....
“A good sign as to whether there is free speech is: Is someone you don’t like allowed to say something you don’t like? If that is the case, then we have free speech"

Yet...
Those who have said things Musk didn’t like have seen their reputations publicly trashed. Vernon Unsworth, a British caver who helped rescue 12 boys trapped in Thailand, called Musk’s efforts to help a “PR stunt” in 2018. Musk retaliated by calling him a “pedo guy.” Then he paid $50,000 to a dubious private investigator to dig into Unsworth’s background in the U.K. and Thailand. He also attempted to depose a reporter, Ryan Mac, who was covering Unsworth’s defamation lawsuit against Musk.

or

Musk went after Martin Tripp, a worker at Tesla’s battery plant in Nevada. Tripp saw himself as an idealist trying to improve the company’s operations; Musk viewed him as a dangerous foe who engaged in sabotage and shared data with the press and “unknown third parties.”
Tesla’s PR department spread false rumors that Tripp was possibly homicidal and had threatened to “shoot the place up,” even though authorities had already determined that Tripp posed no immediate threat and wasn’t armed.

or

Another employee was fired six days after he posted a YouTube video of his Tesla Model 3 running into a traffic pylon while using “FSD Beta,” an early version of software that Tesla has rolled out to roughly 100,000 people.

or

And then there’s the case of Jack Sweeney, a Florida teenager who tracks private jets. A few months ago, Musk reached out to him and offered $5,000 to shut down the “Elon’s Jet” account, Sweeney said. Musk viewed it as a security risk. Sweeney asked for $50,000, which Musk refused. The billionaire then blocked some of the social media accounts connected to Sweeney.

He's not the white knight people think
lol none of your examples in contrary to his free speech statement
 
This is not your parents' Democrat party- there is a disturbing trend towards autocracy, which is ironic, because that's what they project onto Republicans.
Members of the Republican Party literally tried to overthrow the government and destroy democracy. I’m a registered republican, but I’ll call it like I see it. If you think otherwise, you’re drinking the cult koolaid my friend.
 
Members of the Republican Party literally tried to overthrow the government and destroy democracy. I’m a registered republican, but I’ll call it like I see it. If you think otherwise, you’re drinking the cult koolaid my friend.
Exactly! Though I went a step further in 2016 and registered independent. Long line of republicans in my family, but what we see today is NOT the Republican Party.

I'll vote for a candidate up and down the ticket, regardless of party.
 
If I saw a wrecked car and they had a republican bumper sticker or a bumper sticker associated with conservatism I would gladly watch them burn and not render aid.

Yeah I’m not an idiot who helps their enemy. One good thing about Covid is that it killed more of them than us.

Hey @turbineseaplane , does this count as "hate speech", should this person be censored and removed from this platform?

If this members comments had been directed at a race or gender they would be perma banned in a second but they are free to spew hateful things at people because of their politics?!?! Time to add "political party" to the list of protected classes.
 
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Please provide a citation. Misinformation warrants moderation otherwise. Also, lose the hate.
I'll bite...


In the spring of 2020, the areas recording the greatest numbers of deaths were much more likely to vote Democratic than Republican. But by the third wave of the pandemic, which began in fall 2020, the pattern had reversed: Counties that voted for Donald Trump over Joe Biden were suffering substantially more deaths from the coronavirus pandemic than those that voted for Biden over Trump. This reversal is likely a result of several factors including differences in mitigation efforts and vaccine uptake, demographic differences, and other differences that are correlated with partisanship at the county level....

During this third wave – which continued into early 2021 – the coronavirus death rate among the 20% of Americans living in counties that supported Trump by the highest margins in 2020 was about 170% of the death rate among the one-in-five Americans living in counties that supported Biden by the largest margins.

As vaccines became more widely available, this discrepancy between “blue” and “red” counties became even larger as the virulent delta strain of the pandemic spread across the country during the summer and fall of 2021, even as the totalnumber of deaths fell somewhat from its third wave peak.
 
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