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There have been rumors of a "Tesla phone" for a few years but if the X app were to be pulled from the App Store and Google Play store (which seems unlikely), creating a new phone really shouldn't be necessary as sideloading and alternative app stores are allowed on Android anyway and restrictions on iOS are expected to start being lifted soon too. If the X app is going to be that desirable, people will likely find a way to get it on their device.
 
Apple’s fees are well known. They created a platform and expect to make money on that creation using the agency model of distribution. In other words, if you want to have a bookstore that has access to Apple’s platform, then you pay that fee to be there. You are paying for the reach to customers that Apple has created. If you do not think that is of value, you are free to create your own platform and setup your own model on that platform. Musk could always start up his own smart phone company, create an App Store, and offer a better incentive to those who would market that product on that App Store.

I'm well aware of Apple's fees and I'm 100% side with Apple on dictating terms of the OS. Sideloading should never be enforced and Apple can charge 50% if they wanted.

However, it doesn't make financial sense for Apple to be making more money than what the content platform owner makes from a creator.
If a creator charges $10 to customers, Apple takes $3 and the content platform takes $1.50. How does this make business sense to anyone? This is the reason why Patreon and Wordpress don't include IAP.

If Apple wanted more profits, they'd take 30% of the $1.50, not the $10. Happy creators, happier content platform owners, and happier Apple shareholders because platforms like Patreon and Wordpress would include IAP.

Now, mental gymnastics?? Not needed at all. I mean, I am sick of Musk asking for a gross margin on his cars. If he would just get rid of that profit margin, the Tesla tax, more people could afford to buy a Tesla. You see, that’s what you are saying. Every company is in business to make money.

What? Musk is literally going against shareholder advice of running major TV ads and instead eating its own margins to lower prices: "We've taken the view that pushing for higher volumes and a larger fleet is the right choice here versus a lower volume and higher margin". It's Tesla's view to be able to sell cars at zero profit and make it up via software.


Sorry, but your take is just blatantly wrong.

And Musk, the same guy who presents full self driving is around the corner, who has told customers that he’d be surprised if it didn’t release this year, or next year, and has been saying that for eight years now, and charges $15,000 for a product that is still at best at level two. What is the difference between what Musk is currently doing and what Elizabeth Holmes was doing? Zero difference, except she is going to prison for fraud and Musk is still committing that fraud.

User's choice. They never forced FSD onto the user. And if you've ever used FSD beta, you know FSD is going to be real, unlike Theranos.
 
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wait how is anyone making $100k from twitter?

Twitter/X has an ad revenue sharing program for "eligible creators" (Blue subscriber, at least 15 million impressions on cumulative posts within last three months, etc.) but you need to have A LOT of followers and activity on your account to make any kind of meaningful money.
 
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There are no mental gymnastics required. The beneficiaries of this programme are mostly alt right grifters and bigoted chuckle****s; they and Elon can all get ****ed.
Patreon and Wordpress would actually benefit from the same rule.
 
This is a walk in the park. Mental gymnastics is needed to see Elon Musk's actions as sound.
Current setup:
Content creator charges $10
Content platform like Patreon takes $1.50
Apple takes $3

Apple takes more than content platform fees.

Elon setup:
Content creator charges $10
Patreon takes $1.50
Apple takes $0.45

Patreon/Wordpress is now glad to include IAP in their iOS app vs not including it currently which in turn opens up a large revenue stream for Apple.

Seems sound to me. If you think it's not, well that says a lot.
 
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Yes, but the gist of their comment was referencing the significant compensation he's had as CEO of Tesla whether it be through salary, bonuses or whatever.

No, that's nonsensical. Why would Elon give Tesla shares to X content creators? The literal words were "How about lowering down his own yearly salary". Even if he was making $10 million/year from Tesla, it still wouldn't make sense to use that to fund X creators.
 
No, that's nonsensical. Why would Elon give Tesla shares to X content creators? The literal words were "How about lowering down his own yearly salary". Even if he was making $10 million/year from Tesla, it still wouldn't make sense to use that to fund X creators.

And again, the assumption that content creators will stick with Twitter is unfounded. At the moment they’re abandoning the platform at a furious rate.
 
Which is why I said "not that they should or would want to." My point, however, was that Apple having multiple active Twitter/X accounts and allowing Twitter/X in the App Store definitely helps to drive traffic to Twitter/X.

It's not that they should or want. They have no option but to put X on the store so they cannot be credited for extra traffic because of that reason. It's the rules they have to follow. But they can be credited for promoting Twitter when it was during its infancy on the frontpage.
 
It's not that they should or want. They have no option but to put X on the store so they cannot be credited for extra traffic because of that reason. It's the rules they have to follow. But they can be credited for promoting Twitter when it was during its infancy on the frontpage.

They have no option? Odd comment.
 
I'm well aware of Apple's fees and I'm 100% side with Apple on dictating terms of the OS. Sideloading should never be enforced and Apple can charge 50% if they wanted.

However, it doesn't make financial sense for Apple to be making more money than what the content platform owner makes from a creator.
If a creator charges $10 to customers, Apple takes $3 and the content platform takes $1.50. How does this make business sense to anyone? This is the reason why Patreon and Wordpress don't include IAP.

If Apple wanted more profits, they'd take 30% of the $1.50, not the $10. Happy creators, happier content platform owners, and happier Apple shareholders because platforms like Patreon and Wordpress would include IAP.



What? Musk is literally going against shareholder advice of running major TV ads and instead eating its own margins to lower prices: "We've taken the view that pushing for higher volumes and a larger fleet is the right choice here versus a lower volume and higher margin". It's Tesla's view to be able to sell cars at zero profit and make it up via software.


Sorry, but your take is just blatantly wrong.



User's choice. They never forced FSD onto the user. And if you've ever used FSD beta, you know FSD is going to be real, unlike Theranos.
What makes you think FSD is “going“ to be real?? He was still in the training stage before he fired everyone. He’s selling something he’s not even improving in any meaningful way. What Musk is doing is no different from what Elizabeth did. She wanted her product to be real, but it wasn’t. Musk wants FSD to be real, but it isn’t. And when he says things like, Tesla is more advanced than anyone else, he’s wrong. Other’s actually do have driverless taxis right now. Musk does not, nor is he in a leading position. What Musk does, constantly, is make baseless claims. Claims and expectations are not fact. Hence why he’s been wrong about his estimates for 8 years running. And he will continue to be wrong For the foreseeable future. Head of FSD AI quit. Musk fired those training the system. He was still TRAINING. He’s no where. He’s literally in last place, not first.

You can choose to believe Musk, or you can open your eyes an objectively judge based on the facts available. He is at level two, maybe. Others are at four. Therefore is NOT leading. Not even close to leading.

Now, Apple’s fees are known. If they don’t fit his desired structure, guess what he should do… Restructure. Gosh, I could sell coal so much cheaper if after I dig it up, I don’t have to fix the land I just destroyed. You know, I could keep more of what I make if I didn’t have to pay to throw my garbage out. So I am cancel my garbage collection and just throw my garbage out the window. The city should pick it up. why this garbage tax? It is what it is. Musk doesn’t make the rules at Apple. Apple does. If he doesn’t like those rules, he can Leave. He can make the case that an iPhone without Twitter, er, a.. X will not be as popular as an Android phone with X. That’s up to them.

Musk is now running ads for cars where previously he wasn’t because the market has evolved and grown. If your competition is running ads, and you are not, it might not end well for you. But, hey, he can adverise all day long on Twitter, et a X for free. Well, free as in making those billion dollar a year interest payments.

What a genius. If I bought a company, I’d buy one that makes money. Buying a company that makes less money that it costs to operate isn’t three-dimensional chess. It’s delusional checkers.
 
Hating on Musk despite fighting for creators. Hilarious.
Gimme a break. Musk is asking for this because he’s lost so much traffic due to his irrational business decisions.

It’s a bit of a desperate play. How many people you think would ditch their iPhone just to keep using X?

I don’t think Apple will budge.
 
No, that's nonsensical. Why would Elon give Tesla shares to X content creators? The literal words were "How about lowering down his own yearly salary". Even if he was making $10 million/year from Tesla, it still wouldn't make sense to use that to fund X creators.

What I assumed they were inferring was that with all of his salary (compensation) from Tesla, why doesn’t Musk use some of that money to come up with a better paying ad revenue sharing program on Twitter/X instead of trying to get another company (Apple) to change its policies to allow Twitter/X creators to make/save more money.

However, my real main point in the earlier reply was that even though Musk may not get a "salary" from Tesla, he has been significantly compensated via the tens of billions of dollars in bonuses.
 
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It's not that they should or want. They have no option but to put X on the store so they cannot be credited for extra traffic because of that reason. It's the rules they have to follow. But they can be credited for promoting Twitter when it was during its infancy on the frontpage.

If Apple really wanted the X app removed from their App Store, they could presumably create updated (and legal) rules/guidelines that would make the X app ineligible (assuming X Corp doesn't eventually end up violating existing rules on its own). Again, not that Apple should or would want to do that.
 
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What I assumed they were inferring was that with all of his salary (compensation) from Tesla, why doesn’t Musk use some of that money to come up with a better paying ad revenue sharing program on Twitter/X instead of trying to get another company (Apple) to change its policies to allow Twitter/X creators to make/save more money.

That's a farcry of what OP originally said but that is still nonsensical that Elon should personally finance it as that would be unsustainable long term.

However, my real main point in the earlier reply was that even though Musk may not get a "salary" from Tesla, he has been significantly compensated via the tens of billions of dollars in bonuses.

Completely irrelevant and off topic.
 
If Apple really wanted the X app removed from their App Store, they could presumably create updated (and legal) rules/guidelines that would make the X app ineligible (assuming X Corp doesn't eventually end up violating existing rules on its own). Again, not that Apple should or would want to do that.

X would comply with the rules. There's no practical way Apple could update the terms that suddenly prevents X from functioning with its core user features. If they did, X would easily win a lawsuit.
 
It’s kinda fascinating to see how Elon Musk became such a divisive figure who attracts both fierce criticism and passionate praise at the same time. What’s up with the world shoving binary choices down our throats? What happened to nuanced views and opinions? lol
What happened? Social media happened. Our politics wasn't nearly as toxic before social media opened the floodgates of 24/7 negativity and divisiveness. Teen suicide has more than doubled since Instagram launched. Social media has enflamed our worst instincts and emotions. It has reduced every conversation to a binary choice. Us vs. Them.

What I don't understand is why people continue to voluntarily use these horrible social media services that are clearly destroying the fabric of our society. Everyone complains about social media...yet no one just deletes their account and steps away. Every time you use Facebook or Insta or X or whatever, you make the world worse and enrich people who don't have society's best interests at heart.
 
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What happened? Social media happened. Our politics wasn't nearly as toxic before social media opened the floodgates of 24/7 negativity and divisiveness. Teen suicide has more than doubled since Instagram launched. Social media has enflamed our worst instincts and emotions. It has reduced every conversation to a binary choice. Us vs. Them.

What I don't understand is why people voluntarily continue to use these horrible social media services that are clearly destroying the fabric of our society. Everyone complains about social media...yet no one just deletes their account and steps away. Every time you use Facebook or Insta or X or whatever, you make the world worse and enrich people who don't have society's best interests at heart.
it’s because lots of people are addicted.
 
What happened? Social media happened. Our politics wasn't nearly as toxic before social media opened the floodgates of 24/7 negativity and divisiveness. Teen suicide has more than doubled since Instagram launched. Social media has enflamed our worst instincts and emotions. It has reduced every conversation to a binary choice. Us vs. Them.

What I don't understand is why people voluntarily continue to use these horrible social media services that are clearly destroying the fabric of our society. Everyone complains about social media...yet no one just deletes their account and steps away. Every time you use Facebook or Insta or X or whatever, you make the world worse and enrich people who don't have society's best interests at heart.
I don't disagree with your take on social media, but I don't think it's as simple as that.

I'd argue that professional sports have also contributed to getting us to this point of binary, fandom-based discourse.

Even just the blind loyalty/optimism that some have for their favorite platforms/companies/people seems to be 1:1 to the blind loyalty/optimism that some have for their favorite teams/players, despite the multitude of variables that could influence any single entity's overall success.

~"This is our year!" ~"Kirk Cousins IS elite!" ~"The Mets are still trying to win in '24!"
 
demonizing the (mostly female) creators of OnlyFans content is misogyny. And you are denouncing misogyny.
I’m not demonising the creators of Onlyfans. I just assume they use Twitter to attract traffic. But the actual money is made at Onlyfans, not Twitter.
 
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