Elon Musk Wants Apple to Lower Fees for 'X' Creators

[Sasha-1]

BTW: Robots will build the first infrastructure and they don’t have to liftoff from Mars.

And when will these robots work On mars. You do understand that to communicate with a robot on Mars would not be in real time. How long would it take just to send a command and get a reply from Earth to a Mars based robot. How would you build anything in consideration of the answer?

 

[TreborRevots]

As Pulp sang it so poignantly:

"rent a flat above a shop
And cut your hair and get a job
And smoke some fags and play some pool
Pretend you never went to school
But still you'll never get it right
'Cause when you're laid in bed at night
Watching roaches climb the wall
If you called your dad he could stop it all, yeah

You'll never live like common people
You'll never do what ever common people do
Never fail like common people
You'll never watch your life slide out of view
And then dance, and drink, and screw
Because there's nothing else to do"

he came from money, and was never really "in debt" because he knew the assets were there. If he wanted to found a company, money basically presented itself because he could vouch for it. Unlike someone who's actually, you know, in debt.

Serious question… out of all the trust-fund-baby-rich-kids in the world… how many transformed banking and rocketry and satellite coms and cars? Elon has a lot not to like… but minimizing his achievements as “ easy cause he started with money” has always seemed like the weakest argument against him to me.

 

[Fat_Guy]

And when will these robots work On mars. You do understand that to communicate with a robot on Mars would not be in real time. How long would it take just to send a command and get a reply from Earth to a Mars based robot. How would you build anything in consideration of the answer?

Well I guess that’s it. Pity they never thought about that before building all those rockets and stuff. You should send a letter to SpaceX showing them their folly. Better yet, they may hire you based on your statements here. You know more than me so this is all up to you now.


Good luck and take care my friend. 👍

 

[tripsync]

What some others seem to have been suggesting it that Musk take some of his earnings and use it to "help" Twittrer/X creators financially instead of trying to get another company (Apple) to do it.

"others" *sigh*

You replied to my comment to "TheYayAreaLiving" which specifically said to "lower".

Currently Elon is earning the minimum salary allowed by the law and is currently not receiving anymore compensation from Tesla. It's highly unlikely he's paying himself substantially at The Boring Company, Neuralink, X/X.ai. I'm assuming SpaceX is the same but I'm open to being proven wrong here. There is nothing left to "lower".

What you're suggesting instead is to use his personal wealth to fund creators which is a "far cry" of what "TheYayAreaLiving". It's fine if it's a different argument but this needs to be clear.

So, operating under this new argument of "Elon should use his personal wealth instead of lowering his compensation", it's not sustainable/stable enough long term for Elon to carry out. There are only specific periods where Elon can sell Tesla shares and his options from the 12 tranches are locked in for at least 5 years. He can probably fund it short term, but if Tesla stock goes volatile in the next few years, it's unlikely Elon would sell to fund this.

And besides, he's sold a ton of his Tesla shares to acquire Twitter to make revenue share possible. Had he not done so, it's unlikely Twitter would have made revenue share possible.

 

[tripsync]

But this was not about Musk "thinking about leaving the App Store", it was his reply to a tweet regarding the possibility of Twitter (now X) being booted off the App Store (and Google Play store) and what he would do (make an alternative phone).

which goes back to my original argument, in order for Apple to boot off X, they would need to have a practical path to do so. currently they do not.

"Musk seemed to think a bit differently" is assuming Apple does have a valid practical path. they do not. X is following all of Apple's rules. Deviating from the rules puts Apple in hot water.

 

[tripsync]

I will never side with Elon Musk.

Going to be a tough future for you. Example: Slim chance Neuralink is successful, and if you ever get paralyzed, avoiding treatment from Neuralink because you will "never side with Elon" is an awful way to live.

Or you know, avoiding using high speed internet on a plane/cruise ship because of Starlink, avoiding cheaper energy costs from the grid because of Tesla solar/batteries, avoiding a Supercharger with your future EV because it's by Tesla, preferring to sit in traffic because Boring Company tunnels is associated with Elon, etc...

 

[tripsync]

As Pulp sang it so poignantly:

"rent a flat above a shop
And cut your hair and get a job
And smoke some fags and play some pool
Pretend you never went to school
But still you'll never get it right
'Cause when you're laid in bed at night
Watching roaches climb the wall
If you called your dad he could stop it all, yeah

You'll never live like common people
You'll never do what ever common people do
Never fail like common people
You'll never watch your life slide out of view
And then dance, and drink, and screw
Because there's nothing else to do"

he came from money, and was never really "in debt" because he knew the assets were there. If he wanted to found a company, money basically presented itself because he could vouch for it. Unlike someone who's actually, you know, in debt.

Even if it was true that he was flushed with cash since he was a baby (it's not true), would you rather have him live the life of someone like dan bilzerian who is contributing nothing to society but in a silent way?

Elon is productive. Dan is not.

 

[Sasha-1]

Serious question… out of all the trust-fund-baby-rich-kids in the world… how many transformed banking and rocketry and satellite coms and cars? Elon has a lot not to like… but minimizing his achievements as “ easy cause he started with money” has always seemed like the weakest argument against him to me.

I'm sorry, transformed banking?? I sure hope you are not referring to Paypal. Maybe you should do a little more research before you start believing Musk is some genius of banking.

 

[Sasha-1]

Well I guess that’s it. Pity they never thought about that before building all those rockets and stuff. You should send a letter to SpaceX showing them their folly. Better yet, they may hire you based on your statements here. You know more than me so this is all up to you now.


Good luck and take care my friend. 👍

They don't believe Robots are going to build anything. They paint that picture to keep investors interested. When you ask venture capitalists for money, you must define the opportunity. Say what the market you are interested in is worth. And believe it or not, no one cares. What they care about is cashing out. At some point, SpaceX will go IPO. So the question for them is, what will YOU pay for shares of SpaceX? You are being conned into believing SpaceX is worth $150 billion.

I get it, you still think some guy on MacRumors can't possibly be right. Okay, let me ask you to do some super basic research. How much does Space X make?? Do you have an idea? Who are SpaceX's customers?? In other words, what is the market that they are in?

We can safely say anyone who needs to launch something is a customer, right?? So any communications company, NASA, the government, etc. What does that market look like?? If you don't know and have no idea how to figure it out, I'll clue you in on an effortless way to get a perfect idea. All you have to do is look at all their launches. They keep that information right on their site. Grab Excel and document each launch and what they sell the launch for. Then make another column and write the cost of the launch. The difference is their profit, assuming they intended to factor in their own costs. Now you have a good idea of what that market is actually like. They have years of launches listed, so you will have a very good idea.

Now, many of those launches are for SpaceX itself. StarLink or whatever it is called. Questions you should be asking yourself.

How much does each launch cost?
How many satellites are in that launch?

Now you know the cost per satellite. How many satellites overall are they going to use for StarLink? Now you know the price of the construction. How many years can we expect those satellites to last? I believe the answer is five years but do your research.

Now you know the cost, and the life-cycle for StarLink. Next, define how many customers StarLink is expected to have, and what they are going to charge for each customer.

Now you have the cost, and you have the revenue. So, does this look like it makes money?? That's a serious question and anyone investing in this should be able to answer it. Otherwise, why invest?

I think if you do just those two things, you will have a much better picture of SpaceX. And then when you do learn these values, tell me why SpaceX is valued at $150 billion.

 

[kingtj1971]

Cars. Are. Not. An. Investment.

You agreed to pay a price for what was available at the time.

Nowhere did I state I thought my car was an investment?! I agreed to pay for what was available at the time, assuming the usual expected depreciation would apply.

What I got was a car that was amazing for a couple years or so, but then went from being considered a "luxury" or "upscale" type vehicle to one getting nicknamed the "California Camry" because of so many everywhere in California driving one. There was one on the roads out here every 10 cars or so, lately (and I live in the midwest!). Meanwhile, I'm still paying that monthly car payment that was supposed to get me a vehicle that wasn't just the same thing everyone else was driving, and which was incurring depreciation WELL beyond what people would consider expected or normal.

Like I keep reminding people? Most car makers have a dealership network of "middle men". That allows them to boost sales with price cuts that don't directly hurt the MSRP. If Honda or Ford or Toyota wants to sell more of a car, they can temporarily create some dealer incentives and rebates. Then, the perception is that the car is still "worth" the MSRP price tag the manufacturer kept on it. Tesla can't do this so it has to change the advertised price (selling them direct). That means a big price cut destroys resale value for owners of existing used ones.

 

[Surf Monkey]

While Elon is disrupting cars, semis, pickup trucks, energy, and space travel, Apple is bringing back 20 yr old laptop designs and peddling $3,500 version of the failed Oculus. Do me a favor and message me if Apple releases something… anything… that even remotely resembles real innovation like the iPhone or this beast of an automobile.

Cyber truck is DOA vaporware. Tesla’s market share is plummeting. Space-X is likely to lose their contract with NASA for the lunar lander due to their cavalier attitude towards things like environmental regulations and a tendency to over promise and under deliver. Meanwhile he’s completely distorted his public image and utterly ruined one of the most valuable brands in the social media space.

And yet his acolytes continue to sell the idea that he’s somehow an exceptional genius who’s working to make things better for everyone.

 

[Surf Monkey]

And when will these robots work On mars. You do understand that to communicate with a robot on Mars would not be in real time. How long would it take just to send a command and get a reply from Earth to a Mars based robot. How would you build anything in consideration of the answer?

Yeah, it takes over 3 minutes for light to travel from Earth to Mars.

 

[Surf Monkey]

Well I guess that’s it. Pity they never thought about that before building all those rockets and stuff. You should send a letter to SpaceX showing them their folly. Better yet, they may hire you based on your statements here. You know more than me so this is all up to you now.


Good luck and take care my friend. 👍

Space X. The company that casually failed to build a flame trench and damage mitigation system for their “starship” (what a joke) causing massive damage not only to their own launch pad but to a wide area of the surrounding environment which is federally protected.

The idea that Musk has “revolutionized” the items on your list is flat out absurd.

 

[Fat_Guy]

They don't believe Robots are going to build anything. They paint that picture to keep investors interested. When you ask venture capitalists for money, you must define the opportunity. Say what the market you are interested in is worth. And believe it or not, no one cares. What they care about is cashing out. At some point, SpaceX will go IPO. So the question for them is, what will YOU pay for shares of SpaceX? You are being conned into believing SpaceX is worth $150 billion.

I get it, you still think some guy on MacRumors can't possibly be right. Okay, let me ask you to do some super basic research. How much does Space X make?? Do you have an idea? Who are SpaceX's customers?? In other words, what is the market that they are in?

We can safely say anyone who needs to launch something is a customer, right?? So any communications company, NASA, the government, etc. What does that market look like?? If you don't know and have no idea how to figure it out, I'll clue you in on an effortless way to get a perfect idea. All you have to do is look at all their launches. They keep that information right on their site. Grab Excel and document each launch and what they sell the launch for. Then make another column and write the cost of the launch. The difference is their profit, assuming they intended to factor in their own costs. Now you have a good idea of what that market is actually like. They have years of launches listed, so you will have a very good idea.

Now, many of those launches are for SpaceX itself. StarLink or whatever it is called. Questions you should be asking yourself.

How much does each launch cost?
How many satellites are in that launch?

Now you know the cost per satellite. How many satellites overall are they going to use for StarLink? Now you know the price of the construction. How many years can we expect those satellites to last? I believe the answer is five years but do your research.

Now you know the cost, and the life-cycle for StarLink. Next, define how many customers StarLink is expected to have, and what they are going to charge for each customer.

Now you have the cost, and you have the revenue. So, does this look like it makes money?? That's a serious question and anyone investing in this should be able to answer it. Otherwise, why invest?

I think if you do just those two things, you will have a much better picture of SpaceX. And then when you do learn these values, tell me why SpaceX is valued at $150 billion.

Thanks for the lesson in business. Much better than the years I spent in business school.


I have too much work to do so I’ll end my participation here by saying this: I started and run seven piss poor corporations that actually have done things. Including helping create international policy in the digital information field (and internet governance).



Anyway, my ambitions are not even in the same universe as Elon Musk! You can only admire what he has done by trying to do it yourself. That is how I measure the man, by my personal life experience compared to his.


Anyway, everyone have a nice weekend. 👍

 

[Surf Monkey]

Nowhere did I state I thought my car was an investment?! I agreed to pay for what was available at the time, assuming the usual expected depreciation would apply.

What I got was a car that was amazing for a couple years or so, but then went from being considered a "luxury" or "upscale" type vehicle to one getting nicknamed the "California Camry" because of so many everywhere in California driving one. There was one on the roads out here every 10 cars or so, lately (and I live in the midwest!). Meanwhile, I'm still paying that monthly car payment that was supposed to get me a vehicle that wasn't just the same thing everyone else was driving, and which was incurring depreciation WELL beyond what people would consider expected or normal.

Like I keep reminding people? Most car makers have a dealership network of "middle men". That allows them to boost sales with price cuts that don't directly hurt the MSRP. If Honda or Ford or Toyota wants to sell more of a car, they can temporarily create some dealer incentives and rebates. Then, the perception is that the car is still "worth" the MSRP price tag the manufacturer kept on it. Tesla can't do this so it has to change the advertised price (selling them direct). That means a big price cut destroys resale value for owners of existing used ones.

“This band was cool before everyone else caught on.”

That’s your argument. Doesn’t strike me as especially compelling. If you wanted an enduring luxury vehicle you should have looked at an Audi.

 

[AgeOfSpiracles]

Yeah, it takes over 3 minutes for light to travel from Earth to Mars.

That's best case scenario... It can take anywhere between 4 and 24 minutes.

 

[AgeOfSpiracles]

Thanks for the lesson in business. Much better than the years I spent in business school.


I have too much work to do so I’ll end my participation here by saying this: I started and run seven piss poor corporations that actually have done things. Including helping create international policy in the digital information field (and internet governance).



Anyway, my ambitions are not even in the same universe as Elon Musk! You can only admire what he has done by trying to do it yourself. That is how I measure the man, by my personal life experience compared to his.


Anyway, everyone have a nice weekend. 👍

This is a wild way to attempt a mic drop. Think about this "measure of the man" yardstick of yours (I'm smart, so Elon must be even smarter), and consider Theranos' investors included

• 2 US Secretaries of State
• 2 US Secretaries of Defense
• 1 CDC director
• 1 CEO of Wells Fargo

That's what "take measure of the man" level of analysis does to one's critical thinking skills. George Shultz even disowned his own friggin' grandson for questioning it, for duck's sake.

 

[redbeard331]

Btw since someone brought up Apples laptops looking the same, how much can you do to a laptop design anyways? It’s not like a car where there is a large amount of sheetmetal to sculpt.

The Model S is virtually the same exact design as it was ten years ago, I don’t know of any other car that has gone that long without even a minor re-fresh. Looks like all they’ve done is fill in the fake grill and put in different fog lights. Truly groundbreaking, what courage!

 

[AgeOfSpiracles]

“This band was cool before everyone else caught on.”

That’s your argument. Doesn’t strike me as especially compelling. If you wanted an enduring luxury vehicle you should have looked at an Audi.

If enduring value is your driving factor, I'd suggest a Lexus. But Audi's are nice, for sure. But last I was up on them, reliability falls off a cliff after a few years.

 

[Sasha-1]

Thanks for the lesson in business. Much better than the years I spent in business school.


I have too much work to do so I’ll end my participation here by saying this: I started and run seven piss poor corporations that actually have done things. Including helping create international policy in the digital information field (and internet governance).



Anyway, my ambitions are not even in the same universe as Elon Musk! You can only admire what he has done by trying to do it yourself. That is how I measure the man, by my personal life experience compared to his.


Anyway, everyone have a nice weekend. 👍

That's great.

So this should be easy. Cost analysis should be right up your alley. So tell me then, what is their market, what is the current profit or loss, and why are they valued at $150 billion??? I'm all ears... er a eyes.

 

[AgeOfSpiracles]

Btw since someone brought up Apples laptops looking the same, how much can you do to a laptop design anyways? It’s not like a car where there is a large amount of sheetmetal to sculpt.

The Model S is virtually the same exact design as it was ten years ago, I don’t know of any other car that has gone that long without even a minor re-fresh. Looks like all they’ve done is fill in the fake grill and put in different fog lights. Truly groundbreaking, what courage!


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Hey now, they did reinvent the (steering)wheel!

 

[PBMB]

Some interesting reading about Musk, X, banking etc. below:

Elon Musk wants a second chance to fail at X

 

[redbeard331]

Hey now, they did reinvent the (steering)wheel!

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Like everything with Musk, someone else did it first lol.

A Look At A 1950s Messerschmitt KR200's Steering Yoke, Which Is Cooler Than Tesla's - The Autopian

I’ve noticed on the World Wide Web that there’s been a spike in interest in yoke-style steering wheels as of late, what with Lexus and Tesla trying out diffferent methods of controlling the direction of a moving vehicle. Well, here at Lane Motor Museum (where I work), we have in the collection...

www.theautopian.com

 

[AgeOfSpiracles]

Like everything with Musk, someone else did it first lol. View attachment 2241622

A Look At A 1950s Messerschmitt KR200's Steering Yoke, Which Is Cooler Than Tesla's - The Autopian

I’ve noticed on the World Wide Web that there’s been a spike in interest in yoke-style steering wheels as of late, what with Lexus and Tesla trying out diffferent methods of controlling the direction of a moving vehicle. Well, here at Lane Motor Museum (where I work), we have in the collection...

www.theautopian.com

haha, I actually almost made this same joke but I was going to use this picture of this Ford/Mercury one from 1965 (which is actually trying to do something different and weird, with little "wrist-twists" on each side)

But your's is even older, so you win!

 

[redbeard331]

haha, I actually almost made this same joke but I was going to use this picture of this Ford/Mercury one from 1965 (which is actually trying to do something different and weird, with little "wrist-twists" on each side)

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But your's is even older, so you win!

😳

Well I do have to hand it to you since I’ve never seen that before and I’ve been a Ford guy my whole life, what the heck do those clear handcuff things do anyways?