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Wont matter to Apple. 10% or nothing is the same as 30% of nothing which is what Twitter or X will become soon after the year of rubbish Musk has done. Surely by now it's only lazy legacy users hanging in there. Advertisers have voted and moved their dollars.

It’s basically Truth Social now. A sad vanity project for a single person with too much money and too huge an ego.
 
No, it’s like you buying an iPad or iPhone at WalMart, and then not expecting WalMart to get a cut of every purchase you make on the device.

Or, if you buy a PS5 at WalMart and you purchase a digital game on the PS5. Should WalMart get a cut of that? No, they are not involved in that transaction.
Isn’t it more like buying a digital game on the PS5 and expecting Sony to not get a cut? Apple are involved in the transaction from the app. If you go to the X website and pay there, then Apple won’t be involved… and they won’t get a cut.

The Audible app works this way, as you can use it to play Audible books, but not buy them. It works fine.
 
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How is it maximizing what creators keep? Apple gets 30% of Twitter's cut. It has nothing to do with what creators take home. Does he think people are that stupid? This grifter is just looking for more revenue for a mounting debt ridden app he bought on a whim, tried to back out, and was forced to complete the deal. His $8 blue checkmark fee is said to be out in the open embezzlement mostly used by Russia and China "users." I guess that isn't keeping the strobe lights on...
 
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Except Apple doesn't charge money between themselves and creators (there's no such path), nor between X and creators (which they're not involved in).
No clue what you're saying. Subscriptions to content creators on X performed IAP pays Apple 30% so content creators get less.
 
I'll let the OP speak for themselves but I really don’t think my interpretation is a "far cry" from what they meant i.e., let Musk use some of his great income/wealth (salary, compensation) to help out one of his company’s (Twitter/X) “creator” users instead asking another company to do so.

Not that off topic as the discussion was about Musk's income.


Currently Musk isn't earning any more compensation from Tesla other than the $1 salary. His 12 tranches were completed. So what exactly are you suggesting that Elon should "lower" (as OP stated) from Tesla?
 
So, you're saying that there is absolutely nothing Apple could legally do to get X booted off the App Store because X Corp would either comply with the rules or sue? Musk seemed to think a bit differently as hie stated the making an alternative phone could be the answer if that were to happen.

They can't do anything "practically" to boot X off the App Store. Any move they attempt to make will give ammo to Epic games and others to force sideloading in USA. And any rule they apply gets applied to all other apps of the category they're adjusting. So assuming they do something like "no data collection whatsoever for all apps", they risk pissing off a majority of apps.

Musk thinking about leaving App Store because him being unhappy about the cut is different than Apple doing something intentionally and specifically to boot X off the store.
 
a fifteenth of the $3 they'd get

they're getting $0 from patreon/wordpress now. patreon alone has 8 million patrons. wordpress has at least a million paying users.

30% of platform fee instead of 0% of revenue is still lucrative. and elon is more than likely going to increase content creator fees IAP for the apple tax vs web just like they did with blue if tim won't budge. he's already telling people to sign up via web instead of IAP to get it for cheaper on X.

if you're a shareholder, you should be thanking me if i was on the board.
 
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The OP was talking specifically about Elon and X/Twitter. I am fully aware literally every service with an app would benefit from changes to the fee structure, but that's not really what this is about: Twitter's creator programme was supposed to be an ad revenue share, but Elon ruined their ad revenues. Now he's scrambling to find another way to make good on his promise to his troll army before they join the sane people who already left.

Honestly though, as a consumer I prefer having a single place to manage my subscriptions, but logically, adding another middleman (Apple) on top of the service itself (e.g. Patreon) is a _really_ ineffective way to support those creators, whether Apple's fees were 1% or 30%, it is much smarter to go via Patreon direct.

OP meaning you or MacRumors?

Your argument isn't valid but unfortunately I'm unable to continue this argument because you're discussing politics (related to "alt-right") which I've already been warned from moderators on these forums to stop talking about politics in non-political threads. Have a good one.
 
Since you’ve been challenged on this it seems like you might want to actually back the statement up with some countering facts. Is the statement you responded to factually incorrect?
Every word he has posted is factually incorrect. He knows it. It's not worth engaging.
 
They can't do anything "practically" to boot X off the App Store. Any move they attempt to make will give ammo to Epic games and others to force sideloading in USA. And any rule they apply gets applied to all other apps of the category they're adjusting. So assuming they do something like "no data collection whatsoever for all apps", they risk pissing off a majority of apps.

Musk thinking about leaving App Store because him being unhappy about the cut is different than Apple doing something intentionally and specifically to boot X off the store.

You’re making a lot of definitive statements about Apple policy without providing any kind of supporting evidence.
 
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OP meaning you or MacRumors?

Your argument isn't valid but unfortunately I'm unable to continue this argument because you're discussing politics (related to "alt-right") which I've already been warned from moderators on these forums to stop talking about politics in non-political threads. Have a good one.

I don’t see any significant reason why you can’t give him a legitimate reply. His post isn’t about politics.
 
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Isn’t it more like buying a digital game on the PS5 and expecting Sony to not get a cut? Apple are involved in the transaction from the app. If you go to the X website and pay there, then Apple won’t be involved… and they won’t get a cut.

The Audible app works this way, as you can use it to play Audible books, but not buy them. It works fine.
The difference in that situation is that Sony is actually hosting that content on their servers.

I've always disagreed with Apple on this policy. I think if they host the item on their servers, they totally should get a cut. That would be things like new levels or characters for a game, that makes sense. A Netflix subscription? No, they shouldn't be getting 30%, they're not hosting, streaming or providing the content in any way.

I have the Amazon app on my phone. If I make a purchase, Apple doesn't get 30%. That makes sense.

I have zero expectation of Apple changing this policy.
 
Apple already allowed Elon to use a single letter for their App. Elon convinced Cook to keep advertising on Twitter. Seems like he keeps convincing Apple.
Yeah, but now they're talking about Apple not taking its normal cut?

That's like when two positives make a negative: "Yeah, right."
 
Now Elon haters should say thank you for helping creators earn more money.

What kind of mental gymnastics are they going to pull now to justify their hate?

Do they hate on Apple for not allowing sideloading or hate the billionaire space man? Decisions decisions...🤣
Easy: hate the billionaire blood emerald investor who’s never made anything in his life and just buys other people’s good ideas.

And not that App Store fees shouldn’t be lower; that’s a whole different conversation. It’s also laughable to think Apple would entertain it.
 
Yes, and I’ll be laughing at all the irrational Elon haters when I’m driving around in my Cybertruck.

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While Elon is disrupting cars, semis, pickup trucks, energy, and space travel, Apple is bringing back 20 yr old laptop designs and peddling $3,500 version of the failed Oculus. Do me a favor and message me if Apple releases something… anything… that even remotely resembles real innovation like the iPhone or this beast of an automobile.
 
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Yes, and I’ll be laughing at all the irrational Elon haters when I’m driving around in my Cybertruck.

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While Elon is disrupting cars, semis, pickup trucks, energy, and space travel, Apple is bringing back 20 yr old laptop designs and peddling $3,500 version of the failed Oculus. Do me a favor and message me if Apple releases something… anything… that even remotely resembles real innovation like the iPhone or this beast of an automobile.
Ah yes, The BlindspotX Truck. Such disruptor. The difference to their older cars is that it isn’t plastic.

Tesla has made one thing (electrical cars) mainstream, and made one thing recognisable, yet even white headphones with an apple logo became more popular faster.

Tesla is falling behind in automotive. They haven’t innovated since their first car, and have nothing on their roadmap that would have mass appeal.
 
It's not a "suddenly" in my case. I want neither of those things because if either happen eventually everything will be sideloaded. Security and privacy will be gone. Don't bother telling me "just don't use those apps then" because some apps are simply unavoidable (required for your job, or to park, or to pay for your machine at the laundromat, etc.). The longer Apple holds the line the better.
Just in case, I’m also in that band camp, I also think that forcing a business to allow side-loading is something that shouldn’t be tampered with. And if it does it should be really either a completely different phone model that has a sort of an associated security chip disabled or a completely blank phone where people would truly sideload everything, starting from the OS itself (“it’s my phone, I should be able to do whatever I want with it” is what the say after all, so give them full freedom, just not iOS as it is today).

It’s like if I set up a successful enough lemon stand corner for anybody to come and promote their lemonade (and I get a fee from those transactions), but now I have to promote everybody else’s lemon stands and lemonades sold elsewhere. Plus I’ll be held accountable if any of those outside lemonades I was forced to promote are spoiled. Plus if I don’t do it I’ll be fined weekly.

If apple decided to promote or not to promote third party AppStores on their own that’s a different thing, but being forced to… that’s crazy, weird and strange in 2023.

We ultimately the consumer should choose: go Android (or any of the dozens other skin and flavors of it), get a dev account, jail break it, I don’t know maybe even ask nicely for sideloading (and not this aggressive arm bending) if that’s what you truly want.
The Windows Phones would have been closer to a PC by now but nobody voted with their wallets for that.

I stick with Apple because of what they offer and how they offer it… one place, as hassle free as possible. (But we are having that removed).

My point was more that it seems people just want to be a Musk contrarian no matter what.
 
Ah yes, The BlindspotX Truck. Such disruptor. The difference to their older cars is that it isn’t plastic.

Tesla has made one thing (electrical cars) mainstream, and made one thing recognisable, yet even white headphones with an apple logo became more popular faster.

Tesla is falling behind in automotive. They haven’t innovated since their first car, and have nothing on their roadmap that would have mass appeal.

That's hilarious.

What just happened in the past month? Oh yeah, most of the major automakers are adopting NACS because they need access to Tesla's supercharger network. Every EV made by them will likely add to Tesla's bottom line because of Supercharger profits.

There is absolutely nothing to suggest that Tesla is falling behind in automotive. They're planning more factories, ramping up their current factories, they're expanding their *current* factories, they're opening one new supercharger site every 13 hours globally, they're getting into lithium refinement and they're ramping up their own battery production. And they did all of this without a single TV ad. Even with all of the price cuts, their margins are still leading the industry.

And outside of automotive, their commercial energy business is practically sold out until Q3 2024 (likely even later by now).
 
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