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The eMac is big and ugly, I can see no reason why Apple shouldn't drop it; the Mac Mini is far, far more impressing, it is less expensive, and you can keep a good LCD monitor for years while upgrading outdated computers, which you cannot in an eMac.

Go, go, Mac Mini! My school are throwing away all the eMacs and replacing with Mini's. Those of you still complaining, think over the pros and cons once again.
 
Once again people are missing the point.

1) Apple's love schools like M$ does as a way of getting recognition by the younger generation as "the computer". By turning their nose up at this lucrative and loyal customer base they will loose the culture wars that they have worked so hard to win and they will loose no only the schools, but all the software licensing, and many MANY households that work with or for the schools.

2) I don't know what schools you went to, but apple labs have always ( back to IIe days ) "just worked" for what they were intended. The PC labs have always been a haven for it... might work... if you were lucky. Sure the PC labs often were flashier, but when you wanted to get something done you used a mac.

3) Most schools would probably be ok with moving to iMac's ... if apple could bring the price down to about HALF what it's getting. ( eMAC $625 iMAC $1195 ). Over 1k per computer is not a reasonable solution for schools to go with. The mac mini is still not even close to the performance numbers that the eMac has, so that would be a step backwards. Apple WILL LOOSE SCHOOLS TO DELL WITH THIS PRICING!

4) Durability... nothing in apples lineup is half as durable as an eMac. Think about that one again in a school.

5) Form factor. I would like to see a student put a eMac in their backpack! One peice = easy maintinace.

Basicly Apple must bring out a reasonable product into that market or face a severe backlash ( as happened before ) from a loyal base. Look at the talk among the PB/PM community right now to see what kind of bad blood that Apple is creating by delaying upgrades to another loyal base of customers and they don't drop millions of dollars at a time on hardware.
 
Grell said:
The eMac is big and ugly, I can see no reason why Apple shouldn't drop it; the Mac Mini is far, far more impressing, it is less expensive, and you can keep a good LCD monitor for years while upgrading outdated computers, which you cannot in an eMac.

Go, go, Mac Mini! My school are throwing away all the eMacs and replacing with Mini's. Those of you still complaining, think over the pros and cons once again.

You are crazy! The eMac might be big, but it isn't ugly. If you hate the design of the eMac, then I guess you hate the design of the iMac G3 (which eMac was pretty much based on). The last gen eMac would blow the pants off the eMac due to faster video card, faster hard drive, plus it included a screen, 1 more USB and Firewire port, and a keyboard and mouse. By the time you add a screen, keyboard and mouse to Mac mini it sure isn't that cheap anymore. And btw, when your school get's the Mac mini's and they are all being stolen or all the power bricks go lost, don't say I didn't tell you so.
 
ryannel2003 said:
You are crazy! The eMac might be big, but it isn't ugly. If you hate the design of the eMac, then I guess you hate the design of the iMac G3 (which eMac was pretty much based on). The last gen eMac would blow the pants off the eMac due to faster video card, faster hard drive, plus it included a screen, 1 more USB and Firewire port, and a keyboard and mouse. By the time you add a screen, keyboard and mouse to Mac mini it sure isn't that cheap anymore. And btw, when your school get's the Mac mini's and they are all being stolen or all the power bricks go lost, don't say I didn't tell you so.

wow...defensive eMac user...
 
vrabz said:
wow...defensive eMac user...

Yes. And I think the eMac is hideous. The iMac looked fine. It's the weird flatness on the front of the eMac and the bulbousness of the back that makes it so awful. It's sort of like a computer mullet.

iMac:
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eMac:

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dropping the eMac was def a bad idea.

i have one, and its an amazing machine, i got it over a year ago, 80GB, superdrive, and it cost about £600. the mac mini has a few to many cables for my liking, i like the way macs are just all in one. plus once u add a keyboard and mouse (which you pretty much have to do, what windows users have a usb keyboard and mouse??), the eMac was def a better option. in a year or so ill upgrade to an iMac macintel, and end up giving my eMac to my parents, which is PERFERCT for them, its all in one, its easy to use, stable, and more than capable to the average computer user.

really, the emacwas the one people should have in their homes if all they want to do is shop on the internet and manage an iPod and digial photos and stuff, and the iMac is more for people that will actually use iMovie and burn DVDs etc.
 
aidanpendragon said:
- Lots of people here have been saying, "sales must have been bad, that's why they EOL'd it." If so, be worried. All of the Mini "revisions" have pointed to struggling sales on that product; the faux July "upgrade," the latest grab bag, clearly have been designed to move big stocks of old, unsold inventory. With no eMac, and a sputtering Mini, then where does the sub-$1000 customer go?

(unless the eMac is taking the blame for cannibalizing Mini sales, as it did with me...)

Actually you have a good point here. Just like someone else noted, there were two budget computers eating into each other's sales. A lineup of a budget, consumer and pro Mac is all Apple needs on the desktop market.
 
Mullet!

matticus008 said:
It's sort of like a computer mullet.

That's VERY funny!

I'm sure the points people have made about the danger of losing the Education market are a) correct and b) have been discussed by Apple. We can only assume they have something else up their sleeve...
 
Grell said:
The eMac is big and ugly, I can see no reason why Apple shouldn't drop it; the Mac Mini is far, far more impressing, it is less expensive, and you can keep a good LCD monitor for years while upgrading outdated computers, which you cannot in an eMac.

Go, go, Mac Mini! My school are throwing away all the eMacs and replacing with Mini's. Those of you still complaining, think over the pros and cons once again.


The Mini is far more impressive in terms of size but not ability.
The eMac was not really designed for home use... a school computer's monitor is trashed after 5 years of scratches, white-out, markers, etc. Home use, however, an external LCD is nice.

Also, the eMac offers this to schools which MAY OR MAY NOT BE BENEFICIAL TO HOME USERS, meaning that the eMac is a great computer for what it is designed for... but try to use an iMac like a portable computer that you plug in, and it doesn't work so well. Same with the eMac.
Schools want:
All-in-one
Easy replacement of bad parts (Ever see an optical drive with a PB&J sandwich inside? That's why)
Durable
Heavy

A home user may not want all of these things. A home user is going to be more careful than a student. A home user isn't going to try to drop the computer into their backpack and run away with it. A home user is going to care about space, and so will the school, so the AIO design is nice.

The eMac is perfect for schools. As a home computer, it has its shortcomings (odd look, CRT) but it wasn't ever designed as a home computer. Keep that in mind when trash-talking the eMac.

Personally, the eMac is more powerful than the Mini and so I'd rather have an eMac... the screen is great, too. Photographers prefer CRTs because they are better in terms of colors than LCDs... and I agree.
 
Is it possibe that a G5 eMac could be on the way.
Last year apple discontined the iMac G4 for a month and then a G5 one came out. just a theory.
 
iHavenolife said:
Is it possibe that a G5 eMac could be on the way.
Last year apple discontined the iMac G4 for a month and then a G5 one came out. just a theory.

They didn't really discontinue the G4 iMac, they essentially made a flaw with their JIT inventory model, thereby resulting in no G4 iMacs being available for some time before the G5 release. If it wasn't for this oversight, Apple would have continued selling G4 iMacs right up until the G5 version was revealed. 😎
 
vrabz said:
wow...defensive eMac user...

Yes I'm definsive becuase I think the eMac is a nice design. It looks best when sitting on the Tilt and Swivel stand. But anyway, the eMac design might be old and outdated but now Apple has a big hole in there line-up. The most expensive Mac Mini is $699, and the low-end iMac costs $1299. There is an almost $600 difference between the 2. That is why the eMac was so great. It filled that big gap up. I do hope Apple replaces the eMac with something equally as great.
 
matticus008 said:
Yes. And I think the eMac is hideous. The iMac looked fine. It's the weird flatness on the front of the eMac and the bulbousness of the back that makes it so awful. It's sort of like a computer mullet.

iMac:
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imac_sage.jpg



eMac:

emac.jpg

I too prefer the design of the iMac G3, but this doesn't make me think that the eMac is ugly. When I choose my eMac, I wasn't looking for style. I was looking for Power, Price, and of course the Mac OS. Now I know the eMac isn't the hottest Mac ever, but it sure looks nice to me. O BTW, computer mullet...haha haha haha...not!
 
This really bites, because most schools prefer an all-in-one approach, so they will be forced to buy iMac's which cost more and thus they have to buy fewer of them 🙁


(Although our school computer labs could use an upgrade 😀)
 
skoker said:
This really bites, because most schools prefer an all-in-one approach, so they will be forced to buy iMac's which cost more and thus they have to buy fewer of them 🙁


(Although our school computer labs could use an upgrade 😀)

And the of course there is the whole CRT vs. LCD issue...
 
The eMac hasn't really been discontinued, in fact Apple has big plans for the eMac.

In a move that will shock everyone, Apple will soon announce that the first Mactel will be an eMac!

Apple likes surprising people, and this bold move will definitely do that. You heard it here first. 😀
 
~Shard~ said:
And the of course there is the whole CRT vs. LCD issue...

If I had the money, and desk space (I have an old desk with 2 computers on it now) I'd go CRT. 21" CRTs are cheap and have great quality. But LCDs are nice... sometimes. They are each good for their own segment.
 
skoker said:
This really bites, because most schools prefer an all-in-one approach, so they will be forced to buy iMac's which cost more and thus they have to buy fewer of them 🙁


(Although our school computer labs could use an upgrade 😀)

I disagree with the "most schools" part. Many schools, yes, but I think the reality is that most schools prefer the most budget-friendly solution. Having worked in education and spent many, many years as a student, my experience is that schools prefer NOT to use all-in-one solutions, because it increases upgrade costs. Monitors are kept until they get blurry or break, but desktops are upgraded whenever the budget allows. I've seen an eMac here and there, but iMacs (and modern ones at that) dominate. My old high school, in fact, has LCD monitors in almost all the labs, and it's an urban, public school.

People don't walk off with computers if you lock the doors when the rooms are empty. As for students slipping minis into their backpacks, it's a matter of course that the computers are all engraved and registered in most schools, and furthermore they're insured by the school district. If you put all the minis in clear view, a missing one wouldn't be hard to notice, and if you don't spend the 10 seconds to check the room at the end of class to make sure they're all still there, you're asking for trouble. I once had to check for disappearing mouse balls once every day or two, before the days of optical mice, and then when we got optical mice, had to check daily that the actual mouse was still there. If that's not enough, minis also come with Kensington lock slots, and it's not a major investment to spend an extra $20 to lock down each computer.

Truly rough, poor, inner city school districts might be an exception here, but Apple does not discount its computers so much that they would be affordable there, and since they give grants to schools covering the purchase and installation costs, security is just one part of that. I see absolutely nothing wrong with schools switching to minis over eMacs (even if the eMac stops being sold completely, which is not currently the case).
 
Being that I'm typing this on an eMac, I'm sad to see it go. It's a plenty powerful machine that's been through 7 quarters of abuse and is still running as well as the day it was first turned on. I hope they will put something in it's place for us poor college students who don't have an extra monitor laying around, though my next purchase will probably be an iBook.
 
Well I'm really pleased now because I just got a brand new in the box emac 1.42 from Ebay for a bargain price (unwanted insurance replacement). I wouldn't have been able to afford it for another couple of months and then it would have been unavailable. I've got 1.5 gig of ram.

I just got X-Plane too and that don't run to well on the crappy macmini 9200's.
 
The eMac is good for schools. No-one wants to be seen carrying one, and all-in-one, you can chain it to a wall 😀
But seriously, it kicks the crap out of the mini in value. Graphics, optical drive, processor, I/O, actually including a Keyboard, mouse and screen, etc, etc. 🙂
I could see so many parts of mac mini setups being stolen at schools 🙁
 
MontyZ said:
The eMac was Apple's best bargain. I don't really think the Mac Mini is such a great deal when you consider the total cost of buying the keyboard/mouse and a monitor and the RAM needed to make it useful. What home user wants to bother with all that when the eMac has everything you need built into a single unit?

Very good point - I have often thought the same about the Mac mini - not as good a deal as some people might initially think.
 
~Shard~ said:
Very good point - I have often thought the same about the Mac mini - not as good a deal as some people might initially think.

BULLOCKS. You can get a 17" CRT with a bag of chips. The mini is very good value for money, although they are trimming edges on the entry mini.
 
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