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eMac G5 put on hold. G4 model back in production
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Uhh the XScale isn't meant for desktop applications. The XScale processor is used ALOT in PocketPCs, SmartPhones, and even Palms. And I am sure it's used alot in some computer appliances.brap said:
guess Apple has to hang in there for a wile with IBM
Well, 2005 is nearly here anyway. Better to keep the iMac's momentum than dilute IBM's limited supply too soon.
But when it comes, that new eMac should be worth the wait! I love my first-gen eMac, pathetic and old as it may seem these days... Add a G5 for < $1000 and you've got something!
Well, 2005 is nearly here anyway. Better to keep the iMac's momentum than dilute IBM's limited supply too soon.
But when it comes, that new eMac should be worth the wait! I love my first-gen eMac, pathetic and old as it may seem these days... Add a G5 for < $1000 and you've got something!
Can we really expect to find a G5 that can be sold at $799?
An eMac may have to by next computer if that price is right. I do want to see the eMac update in 2005 so that the iMac has room to sell and then perhaps see a speed bump to stay one step ahead of the eMac.
An eMac may have to by next computer if that price is right. I do want to see the eMac update in 2005 so that the iMac has room to sell and then perhaps see a speed bump to stay one step ahead of the eMac.
Wow... lots of eMac Bashing!!
We have two macs. I use a 1.0Ghz eMac with superdrive, 1GB RAM. My wife uses a 1.0 Ghz iBook, 768MB RAM.
Both of the computers do exactly what we want them to do. Photoshop, web browsing, e-mail, Word, Excell, Powerpoint. I do light video editing on the eMac (iMovie, iDVD), and while it isn't lighting fast, it is a hell of a lot better than the Dell P4 I was using previously. Yeah, the eMac is big, kinda loud, and not as aesthetically pleasing as the G4 and G5 iMacs. It is 1/2 the cost, however.
The point is, I could not have afforded to get a Mac last spring if the eMac wasn't around. Sure, I liked the design of the G4 iMac better. However, at double the cost, I wasn't willing to pay just for style. I will have a much better paying job by this time next year, and will be able to afford a nicer computer. And yes, I will buy a revB iMac G5 next spring. My eMac will become the house media server / kitchen computer / indestructable kids computer. CRTs still offer the best bang for the buck, though this will likely be changing as LCD prices continue to fall.
It is critical for apple to have an entry level computer well below $1000. It is an easy way to get people into macs. Look at my example. Since getting the eMac, I've purchased an iBook, 2 AE cards, an iPod mini, a 40GB iPod 4th generation, and have convinced my parents to get a g5 iMac with 2 iSights so we can videochat.
The eMac isn't for power computing. Nor is the entry level Dell, HP, Compaq, eMachines, etc. The point is to have a nice, well performing computer that isn't too expensive. The eMac more than delivers. A G5 eMac will just bring more people into the fold, and will allow a move to a completely 64bit environment by OS 10.5.
-alywa (proud eMac owner)
We have two macs. I use a 1.0Ghz eMac with superdrive, 1GB RAM. My wife uses a 1.0 Ghz iBook, 768MB RAM.
Both of the computers do exactly what we want them to do. Photoshop, web browsing, e-mail, Word, Excell, Powerpoint. I do light video editing on the eMac (iMovie, iDVD), and while it isn't lighting fast, it is a hell of a lot better than the Dell P4 I was using previously. Yeah, the eMac is big, kinda loud, and not as aesthetically pleasing as the G4 and G5 iMacs. It is 1/2 the cost, however.
The point is, I could not have afforded to get a Mac last spring if the eMac wasn't around. Sure, I liked the design of the G4 iMac better. However, at double the cost, I wasn't willing to pay just for style. I will have a much better paying job by this time next year, and will be able to afford a nicer computer. And yes, I will buy a revB iMac G5 next spring. My eMac will become the house media server / kitchen computer / indestructable kids computer. CRTs still offer the best bang for the buck, though this will likely be changing as LCD prices continue to fall.
It is critical for apple to have an entry level computer well below $1000. It is an easy way to get people into macs. Look at my example. Since getting the eMac, I've purchased an iBook, 2 AE cards, an iPod mini, a 40GB iPod 4th generation, and have convinced my parents to get a g5 iMac with 2 iSights so we can videochat.
The eMac isn't for power computing. Nor is the entry level Dell, HP, Compaq, eMachines, etc. The point is to have a nice, well performing computer that isn't too expensive. The eMac more than delivers. A G5 eMac will just bring more people into the fold, and will allow a move to a completely 64bit environment by OS 10.5.
-alywa (proud eMac owner)
I can tell you as a fact the new iMac G5's are selling like hotcakes. I am purchasing a new Mac Lab for next year at my school and our Apple rep said the are not even offering any discounts becasue it's hard to keep up with the demand.
Apple will continue to sell the eMac because, although ugly, the are rock solid and great for education. I a glad I am in a high school and I can have LCD's.
Apple will continue to sell the eMac because, although ugly, the are rock solid and great for education. I a glad I am in a high school and I can have LCD's.
What, uglier than the iMac G4? Uglier than the iMac G5?mcarnes said:
The handsomest Macs in the line-up right now are the eMac and the iBook (IMO!).
Mark James said:
Hmm .... I think you may be right that it's your opinion, because I don't believe there are too many people who'd say the eMac is more attractive than either iMac mentioned.
Sorry.
Glad Apple isn't stopping the advance of the eMac just because there is no G5 PB yet.
I hope the uppdate the iMac with a faster GPU when they introduce the G5 eMac, though.
I hope the uppdate the iMac with a faster GPU when they introduce the G5 eMac, though.
broken_keyboard said:
Nice troll.
But do us all a huge favor and go read about the x86 architecture vs the PowerPC architecture.
The x86 platform is just patches after patches after patches. In fact it's almost a miracle it's running as well as it does.
MacSA said:If they are returning the eMac G4 to production perhaps they intend to wait quite a while before switching to a G5 - and we may not see anything until well into 2005
Or maybe they simply don't want a repeat of the iMac mistake? Y'a know, not having the new model ready but not having any of the older model left for sale either?
In fact, now that we know they re-started production (if this rumor is true, of course), it does means that they DID halt production, hoping to release the new eMac in the next few weeks.
In fact there's probably loads of eMac G5's somewhere, but without the actual G5 part. And that part is kinda crucial for the computer.
Savage Henry said:
People who want an iMac will never buy a eMac (style over price).
People who want a eMac will never buy an iMac (price over style).
As for the eMac being "butt-ugly", it's a matter of taste. Even the current eMac still looks better than my current PC (beige box + 15" monitor).
My primary concern is switching to Mac and using OS X. Even if the computer was still a beige box, it wouldn't matter.
In fact, try and imagine a better-looking AIO CRT computer, and you'll end up with something pretty close to the current eMac. I can't wait to see the new eMac though, they'll have to make it a bit different so we can visually differenciate between the G4 and the G5.
What I'm really hoping for, however, is for the eMac to at least keep its current price tag (or maybe even lower?).
Don't be sorry, SH. Opinions are like arseholes, right?!Savage Henry said:
The half-football (that's 'soccer' rather than pointyball) of the G4 iMac just seems a bit 'big' to me. Have also noticed that the plastics don't age gracefully.
The G5 iMac has way too much featureless space under the screen. Would have looked better broken up with speakers (IMO!).
humancodex said:Sell it at 649$ US!
(799$ cnd)
In all market and currency, under "1000" is possible!
Make price a marketing "Trojan" in PC market, just for a moment:
when a newbies pc compare "low pricing Dell" vs "eMac" and see similar price,
you got a point: "Mac is not so expensive....
turn a negative momentum in a positive battle for Holidays seasons!
Very good idea, except for a few points:
- PowerMac is G5
- even iMac is G5 now
- the eMac G5 is ready but is hold off by a lack of G5's (or so it seems)
So if they went ahead with such an idea, here's your "newcomers to the Apple world" in Q1 2005:
"WTF I just bought this eMac G4 3 months ago, and now they come up with a eMac G5 for only 200$US more? I'M NEVER BUYING APPLE AGAIN!"
I mean, even Apple users complain about this, imagine new switchers.
The only way this could work is by pre-announcing the new eMac G5 at the same time (so people know they're buying end-of-line computers). It would still sell though, considering the current eMac G4 is still as powerful as the new revision of the iBook.
Savage Henry said:
I find the iMac G5 "lifeless"... It's just a rectangle. I don't mean it's ugly (or not impressive, especially in a hardware point of view).
The eMac, on the other hand, has complex lines and a "better shape", it's hard to explain.
Then again, I've only seen the iMac G4 and eMac G4 in person (nobody sells Macs where I live).
V. True, and ironic for me as that's where mine tend to originate!Mark James said:
Agree there, but I still think it's the best Mac design to date, conceputaly taking the design of computers to another plateau
I kinda like it that way. To me it reminds me that it's actually a computer and brings it well with the keyboard sitting underneath.
The eMac originally seemed like a clumsy early design they threw out during the pre-revision meetings of the iMac v2. But as time has gone on I've grown to like it, enough to not want it to radically alter. If they bung in a G5 I fear they may have to alter it, and if that was the case in a weird way I'd be happy to keep the G4.
But that's purely based on the aesthetics. Commecially I still think the G4 should be Chip of Choice to keep the iMac demand at a good level.
Yvan256 said:
I know where you are coming from, and I was ready to dismiss the iMacG5 efforts, but when I actually saw it up close and personal it really snared me.... but not just me, my lady as well.
As for the eMac, I won't repeat my immediately earlier post, but all in all I think Jon Ive and his team have been hitting the mark with practically every release in the last 3 years.
kerb said:
The dual core G4 from freescale won't be ready for production intill WWDC time. The longer apple doesn't at least bump the other components of the pbook G4 like a better GPU and bigger HD's( no faster G4) the feeling that the G5 pbook is coming at MWSF increases in my gut.
Back on topic(sort of). Even though Jobs said that the CRT was dead at iMac v2, they had no intentions for the eMac to be sold to the public. So apple kept the CRT computer only in edu sales. But, as we know it demand brought it out to the public. For the reason for the big and heavy design is that the computer can be sturdy when kids poke at them and not rock around like the lighter iMac G5(kids to poke hard you know)
mcarnes said:
Yes, that'd be smart, and loose the fact that they sell thousands to schools like my college. Do you work at a college or high school? I deal with both, and there's hundreds of them. They're affordable as a peecee and flexible so your "butt-ugly" machines keep Apple with a foothold in education. Or maybe you don't care about this, or Apple in general with your logic.
Yvan256 said:
True I dont dispute that.
When I talked about economies of scale I was thinking that so many manufacturers seem to be dropping CRTs generally that it wont be long before LCDs are the norm and CRTs of all description will be the specialist items with a higher price tag.
I can only remember seeing one widescreen CRT smaller than 24 and it had a 75% premium over a comparable CRT and on par with LCD.
I personally dont think LCDs are taking over the TV market on technical merit, its a fashion thing below 28 and a space thing above that.
My personal view is that the eMac should stay at 17 with a CRT if this is the cheapest solution to make it viable for education markets. But that will almost certainly limit it to a 4:3 screen at a time when I suspect the rest of the industry is to move to widescreen. I know that widescreen is probably no benefit in a school environment but again fashion and marketing will drive the decision.
P.S. While were talking LCDs and TVs I had another thread about the rise in LCD prices in Europe that may interest a few who missed it. Anything with a DVI input is now to be classed as a TV and will have an extra 14% charged as import duty before being taxed. Should make the all-in-one Apples even better value than some box and panel PCs. But I wouldnt like to be buying a Cinema display.(obviously Id love to have one just not be paying for it)https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/97771/