I'd guess even a lot of the people who get bigger models are too worried about it as most people don't have anything it can be played on yet. The only problem will be if it is turned on by default and everyone wonders why their phone is filling up so fast.
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I live in a country where HD-chanels still cost about $50/month and SD-chanels are free..
The price-gap is not really helping the adoption rate, at all, and with the quality of todays tv-shows you don't really need the HD to look at reality shows, they suck just as much no matter what resolution you look at them
Guessing 4K-channels will be a $100/month once we get them in 2020? or something..
Netflix is still $9 thou..
I live in a country where HD-chanels still cost about $50/month and SD-chanels are free..
The price-gap is not really helping the adoption rate, at all, and with the quality of todays tv-shows you don't really need the HD to look at reality shows, they suck just as much no matter what resolution you look at them
Guessing 4K-channels will be a $100/month once we get them in 2020? or something..
Netflix is still $9 thou..
I still find myself amazed at some of the quality of HD. It's been around for an age and yet it remains great. Sure, when you see a 4k tv you have to retune your perspective but its way off from being a standard. Still, we need the pockets of 4k to work their way through. In the UK, BT offer 4k and I think Sky are planning on following. Amazon are doing something. But it's hardly essential. And content is, at the end of the day, the real king.
4k is a fad that will not catch on much like 3d. As someone already stated, there is no content in 4k. Hell Comcast doesn't even broadcast in 1080p yet lol. Consoles still cant do 1080p60fps very well. The next thing in TVs in not 4k, its is real OLED displays. Makes a much bigger difference than 4k.
I personally disagree it is anything like the 3D fad. And I wouldn't judge progressive technology on Comcasts offerings.
Why not both? 4K oled is a thing now I believe.
Why not both? 4K oled is a thing now I believe.
4K blu-rays are coming this x-mas, but seriously who wants to buy another round of plastic-discs in 2016?
I have a few 100 DVD´s in the basement.. My disc-hoarding-days are over
The Blu-ray vs. HD-DVD battle turned most of us over to digital distribution..
I have a few 100 DVD´s in the basement.. My disc-hoarding-days are over
The Blu-ray vs. HD-DVD battle turned most of us over to digital distribution..
There are lots of service providers that don't offer 1080p video, would you therefore record your iPhone videos in 720p? When we create content be it 1080p or 4K we are not streaming it , and constraint by costs/bandwidth , we push the videos to our own TV sets .
I'm just wondering WHY you would be in this thread if you don't like it? Because I could say the same thing with you. If you don't like the thread, don't comment and move on.
People that care are upgrading their storage , and apple is making more money . You cannot conclude that people do not care, most people on MR disagree with 16GB. All we can do is debate it , cause the 16GB 6s is a done deal.
I don't understand why people on MR think the average consumer is an idiot. The concept of storage is quite simple. The average consumer understands what 16GB is, that does not take special technical abilities. The irony is that all the people debating this who think they are better than the average consumer, have no idea how many apps or pics etc a 16gb phone will hold , it's just that it's too low.... And 64 is much bigger, so must go for that cause we know our stuff....
I think 4K-evangalists might be confused about the point many of us less-enthusiastic are making.
No one says 4K looks bad or that it´s totally "useless", what we are saying is that adoption is slow because it´s not a revolutionary "must have" feature. The change from video-tapes to DVDs was huge and everyone could notice the difference. The change from SD to HD was also very noticeable since it partially came with the change from to tubes to flatscreens.. The content providers on the other hand are still living in 2005 broadcasting in 720p.. A few has jumped over to 1080p and almost none have started to broadcast in 4K, yet.. And since the are no TV-shows broadcasted and no hollywood movies/series being released in 4K, there is very little use for a 4K TV at this moment. Just as "HD-Ready" TV´s where back in the day with only standard DVD´s or in best case 1-2 channels.. And by the time content was made available they skipped the 720p and released discs with 1080p instead and practically killed of the "HD-Ready" in favor for the "FullHD" TV´s instead. And it looks like 4K is the new "HD-Ready" since no content is available yet and 5K monitors and 8K TV´s are already here..
No one says 4K looks bad or that it´s totally "useless", what we are saying is that adoption is slow because it´s not a revolutionary "must have" feature. The change from video-tapes to DVDs was huge and everyone could notice the difference. The change from SD to HD was also very noticeable since it partially came with the change from to tubes to flatscreens.. The content providers on the other hand are still living in 2005 broadcasting in 720p.. A few has jumped over to 1080p and almost none have started to broadcast in 4K, yet.. And since the are no TV-shows broadcasted and no hollywood movies/series being released in 4K, there is very little use for a 4K TV at this moment. Just as "HD-Ready" TV´s where back in the day with only standard DVD´s or in best case 1-2 channels.. And by the time content was made available they skipped the 720p and released discs with 1080p instead and practically killed of the "HD-Ready" in favor for the "FullHD" TV´s instead. And it looks like 4K is the new "HD-Ready" since no content is available yet and 5K monitors and 8K TV´s are already here..
I think 4K-evangalists might be confused about the point many of us less-enthusiastic are making.
No one says 4K looks bad or that it´s totally "useless", what we are saying is that adoption is slow because it´s not a revolutionary "must have" feature. The change from video-tapes to DVDs was huge and everyone could notice the difference. The change from SD to HD was also very noticeable since it partially came with the change from to tubes to flatscreens.. The content providers on the other hand are still living in 2005 broadcasting in 720p.. A few has jumped over to 1080p and almost none have started to broadcast in 4K, yet.. And since the are no TV-shows broadcasted and no hollywood movies/series being released in 4K, there is very little use for a 4K TV at this moment. Just as "HD-Ready" TV´s where back in the day with only standard DVD´s or in best case 1-2 channels.. And by the time content was made available they skipped the 720p and released discs with 1080p instead and practically killed of the "HD-Ready" in favor for the "FullHD" TV´s instead. And it looks like 4K is the new "HD-Ready" since no content is available yet and 5K monitors and 8K TV´s are already here..
And I was rocking my 1080p long before it was ever big. I for sure had the choice of 720p or 1080i. But I still have that plasma set now and got to enjoy all the new content in glorious 1080p as it was slowly added. What's wrong with some future proofing of big purchases now. Not all of us want to throw out out tvs and phones every year.
16GB - for folks who just care about basic functionality or simply use it to show-off they have an iphone.. (e.g. some of my friends)
64GB - for regular folks with decent amount of media contents and apps
128GB - for folks with lots of media contents and apps (e.g. my and my wife)
64GB - for regular folks with decent amount of media contents and apps
128GB - for folks with lots of media contents and apps (e.g. my and my wife)
Clearly, the majority of iPhone users will NOT be shooting in 4k mode as their primary setting - regardless of their chosen storage capacity. Aside from the obvious constraint of onboard storage, you have other constraints as well, including your backup solution. It will require a lot more iCloud storage if you use that for backup, and if you use a free solution like Google Photos, the 4k footage will get downsized anyway (the Original setting would require a paid tier of storage). Many people also share videos they take on their iPhone on social networks, and it will take longer to share if you shoot in 4k (whether it's due to compression, resizing, or just bigger uploads).
Those issues, amongst others, will mean most people stick with 1080p. I'm a video enthusiast, and I will be sticking with 1080p for most videos I take. Only when I intentionally want to shoot something of higher quality will I switch to 4k.
So let's be clear...
16gb is plenty of storage for SOME people. How many? More than some of you think, and less than some others think. Clearly Apple will know, and is likely betting on a good number of people opting for the larger capacities to increase profit margin.
4k video is clearly a storage constraint, but this will be true whichever size iPhone you get. If Apple had started with 32gb, that's still not enough storage space to use 4k on a regular basis without clearing data pretty often... especially when considering the OS takes up space and all of your apps.
The only real argument I see is the point that most other flagship phones now are starting at 32gb. But it's also an argument to say that a $400 One Plus 2 with 64gb of storage is a much better value than an Galaxy phone. But people still buy Galaxy phones. And people will still buy iPhones, value is a much bigger determination than just storage space (or any one spec). So the comparisons are fun to analyze, but they really don't mean much. The only thing that matters is what people are willing to buy, and Apple are masters at coming up with premium products that people are willing to pay a premium for. It's as simple as that, and I bet that 16gb model will still sell quite well. And who are we to say they shouldn't buy it when that amount of storage space is likely just fine for those people?
The bigger issue was the shrinking of OTA updates, because this was a real issue for those with smaller capacity iPhones. A couple of my friends and family members, for example, had plenty of onboard storage until it came time to do OTA updates because they required multiple GB of free space. I don't think they've completely solved this problem, but they've at least addressed it and made it better.
Those issues, amongst others, will mean most people stick with 1080p. I'm a video enthusiast, and I will be sticking with 1080p for most videos I take. Only when I intentionally want to shoot something of higher quality will I switch to 4k.
So let's be clear...
16gb is plenty of storage for SOME people. How many? More than some of you think, and less than some others think. Clearly Apple will know, and is likely betting on a good number of people opting for the larger capacities to increase profit margin.
4k video is clearly a storage constraint, but this will be true whichever size iPhone you get. If Apple had started with 32gb, that's still not enough storage space to use 4k on a regular basis without clearing data pretty often... especially when considering the OS takes up space and all of your apps.
The only real argument I see is the point that most other flagship phones now are starting at 32gb. But it's also an argument to say that a $400 One Plus 2 with 64gb of storage is a much better value than an Galaxy phone. But people still buy Galaxy phones. And people will still buy iPhones, value is a much bigger determination than just storage space (or any one spec). So the comparisons are fun to analyze, but they really don't mean much. The only thing that matters is what people are willing to buy, and Apple are masters at coming up with premium products that people are willing to pay a premium for. It's as simple as that, and I bet that 16gb model will still sell quite well. And who are we to say they shouldn't buy it when that amount of storage space is likely just fine for those people?
The bigger issue was the shrinking of OTA updates, because this was a real issue for those with smaller capacity iPhones. A couple of my friends and family members, for example, had plenty of onboard storage until it came time to do OTA updates because they required multiple GB of free space. I don't think they've completely solved this problem, but they've at least addressed it and made it better.
Actually, they do not. I work with average consumers on a daily basis and many of them have no clue how much space their phone has. Let alone what iCloud is and why it's telling them they are out of space. When asked about why they purchased the phone, they said it was the cheapest, free, etc. None said they didn't need extra space.
All of them also continually have space problems and they think that if they upgrade their iCloud storage it gives them more on the phone.
The average consumer doesn't have a clue. The people here are tech geeks and know their stuff. We are the minority.
Apple made it an option, yes. But I HIGHLY doubt many will actually use it or keep it as the default setting. Very very few devices overall are 4k screens. Without a way to play them back 4k is pretty useless over 1080p.
So the thread argument, not just the 16gb argument, is debunk. I would say 1% of the population owns a device capable of playing 4k content (TV or computer) Maybe in 2-3 years 4k will be more prevalent.
So the thread argument, not just the 16gb argument, is debunk. I would say 1% of the population owns a device capable of playing 4k content (TV or computer) Maybe in 2-3 years 4k will be more prevalent.
I love how the topic was mainly about H.264 and yet not a single person has addressed it - only the 16GB comment.
I'm kind of amazed at the overal defense of 16gb paired with 4K video on these boards, yet when I suggest they could have left 4K out since apparently nobody has a 4K tv and nobody cares anyway I get my head bitten off like some kind of heathen lol.
Let it be on record that I would have gladly given up 4K recording for a 32gb entry level device.
Let it be on record that I would have gladly given up 4K recording for a 32gb entry level device.
I tried. It is really cool what amazon is doing with the HEVC.
I guess the average joe really does careless.
The consensus is out in regards to people being tech geeks here. We have a broad spectrum of users here
I'm glad Apple put 4K recording on the 6S. Makes it a hell of a lot more future proof than last year's iPhone 6. I still don't understand why some get all pissed off at 4K being included. iPhone can now record in all the major video standards. 720p all the way up to 4K. You can pick whichever one you like. Nothing wrong with that. And I also feel that Apple will get rid of the 16GB capacity, next year for the iPhone 7. Atleast I think so. And LOL at those saying 4K is a fad. And a bigger LOL to those comparing to 3D.
This is 100% spot on. The biggest reason people buy 16GB is because its 100$ cheaper.
Just like the average consumer has no idea the front facing camera has moved or they do not care. My parents always get the cheapest one, and when they run out they back it up on the computer, remove the pictures and start over.