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If that is the case, it doesn't reflect well for the business called MacRumors, in my opinion. Doesn't make sense to continue putting up with a blot on pages and thorns in the side, when the remedy is very simple.

@arn As much as you may dislike the idea, you should seriously consider getting the PRSI side of your business in order. I bet if you had to deal with the constant troubles in said forum, you wouldn't allow your business time and business model to put up with the constant trouble. The moderators (working in your business for free) shouldn't have to spend the majority of their time constantly dispensing with verbal diarrhea (via TOS violations) especially when this business is tech based.

Do you want to continue to grow a respected business where people feel welcome and enjoy making use of the tech forums, or do you want to continue to make your moderators deal with things you have chosen to ignore, and have established people declining to contribute because of the cesspool called PRSI?

In one corner of your "Best Buy" type business layout, you have one section that is constantly being vandalized, people fighting, and the police constantly being called to your business. Those coming to your business see the chaos and destruction and wonder why the management cares so little about their business as they exit the premises and tell their friends what a mess your business is, even though there are many, many positive aspects about MacRumors.

Success in business comes from leadership. And as the head of the MacRumors business, you need to step up and exercise some visible leadership. I doubt you would allow strangers to come to your home and disrespect you and your family. And yet, you continue to welcome such dysfunctional behavior in your business.

And while I am on the subject of leadership, there is no excuse to not pay your moderators a reasonable wage to help keep your business in order, in my opinion. They put in a lot of hours every day. They are doing their best to look out for your business model's best interest. Without the moderators (and admins as well) you wouldn't have the kind of business you have right now.

Many of your moderators have let it be known publicly, that the PRSI is a place that they don't like to go to and are tired of having to deal with the headache and trouble of that one section of your business every day.

The people that continue to tear up that particular section of your business day after day are not respecting you, your business or your employees. They aren't buying anything from you. Why do you allow the madness to continue?

PRSI keeps it concentrated in one place. Without PRSI, you would have the PRSI topics discussed in the iPhone, desktop, and all the other forums. If you think the moderators have it bad now, it will be 100x as worse if they have to put as much time in all the other forums as they do in PRSI.

Nobody is forcing people to read the PRSI comments and the front page articles that end up in PRSI always have a warning (i.e. it's easy to avoid the comments). If people want to discuss the article and avoid PRSI, they can always create a new (non PRSI) thread.
 
Without PRSI, you would have the PRSI topics discussed in the iPhone
Many sites just out right ban PRSI content, so it won't make it's way into the other forums. I see little reason that a tech site maintains a forum that is so divisive and so different then its mission statement. I understand in 2018 there are news stories that will be political in nature but for those exceptions we can have a political News section for those infrequent stories.
 
PRSI keeps it concentrated in one place. Without PRSI, you would have the PRSI topics discussed in the iPhone, desktop, and all the other forums. If you think the moderators have it bad now, it will be 100x as worse if they have to put as much time in all the other forums as they do in PRSI.

Nobody is forcing people to read the PRSI comments and the front page articles that end up in PRSI always have a warning (i.e. it's easy to avoid the comments). If people want to discuss the article and avoid PRSI, they can always create a new (non PRSI) thread.
I can see why there is some wisdom about containing PRSI type talk in a dedicated forum. It’s amazingly easy to derail a thread with one off topic political post.

Having said that PRSI has been part of the landscape for years and doesn’t seem it’s going anywhere. Almost all leaving breathing websites have some type of off-topic areas apart from their main raison-d’etre. MR has a few offtopic areas PRSI is one of them.

I gave PRSI a shot and to say there are some threads with agendas are an understatement.

In my own opinion, removing PRSI will cause a huge disruption in this site making moderation much more difficult than it already is.

It’s been said before, if one doesn’t like PRSI don’t go there, if you go there post within the guidelines.
 
If that is the case, it doesn't reflect well for the business called MacRumors, in my opinion. Doesn't make sense to continue putting up with a blot on pages and thorns in the side, when the remedy is very simple.

@arn As much as you may dislike the idea, you should seriously consider getting the PRSI side of your business in order. I bet if you had to deal with the constant troubles in said forum, you wouldn't allow your business time and business model to put up with the constant trouble. The moderators (working in your business for free) shouldn't have to spend the majority of their time constantly dispensing with verbal diarrhea (via TOS violations) especially when this business is tech based.

Do you want to continue to grow a respected business where people feel welcome and enjoy making use of the tech forums, or do you want to continue to make your moderators deal with things you have chosen to ignore, and have established people declining to contribute because of the cesspool called PRSI?

In one corner of your "Best Buy" type business layout, you have one section that is constantly being vandalized, people fighting, and the police constantly being called to your business. Those coming to your business see the chaos and destruction and wonder why the management cares so little about their business as they exit the premises and tell their friends what a mess your business is, even though there are many, many positive aspects about MacRumors.

Success in business comes from leadership. And as the head of the MacRumors business, you need to step up and exercise some visible leadership. I doubt you would allow strangers to come to your home and disrespect you and your family. And yet, you continue to welcome such dysfunctional behavior in your business.

And while I am on the subject of leadership, there is no excuse to not pay your moderators a reasonable wage to help keep your business in order, in my opinion. They put in a lot of hours every day. They are doing their best to look out for your business model's best interest. Without the moderators (and admins as well) you wouldn't have the kind of business you have right now.

Many of your moderators have let it be known publicly, that the PRSI is a place that they don't like to go to and are tired of having to deal with the headache and trouble of that one section of your business every day.

The people that continue to tear up that particular section of your business day after day are not respecting you, your business or your employees. They aren't buying anything from you. Why do you allow the madness to continue?
I agree with some/many?/all? of your sentiments. However, it has been my experience and is my opinion that MR doesn't want to improve at anything related to the forums. The focus is clearly on more video, partnerships with 3rd party companies, and editorial content.
 
Many sites just out right ban PRSI content, so it won't make it's way into the other forums. I see little reason that a tech site maintains a forum that is so divisive and so different then its mission statement. I understand in 2018 there are news stories that will be political in nature but for those exceptions we can have a political News section for those infrequent stories.

You certainly can do that but it would mean banning the many users that will post PRSI topics or replies in the different forums.
 
You certainly can do that but it would mean banning the many users that will post PRSI topics or replies in the different forums.
Not banning but losing, and many of those people don't interact in the open forums anyways. That is they only come here to MR to discuss PRSI stuff. Perhaps another site or sites geared to discussing politics would be a better fit for those people anyways instead of a technology site focused on Apple products.
 
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Not banning but losing, and many of those people don't interact in the open forums anyways. That is they only come here to MR to discuss PRSI stuff. Perhaps another site or sites geared to discussing politics would be a better fit for those people anyways instead of a technology site focused on Apple products.

I wish we had the same rules as another forum I use...
===No Political or Religious Threads===
Please do not create threads on the topic of specific religions (for example, threads that debate the merits of a particular religion), or political debate. Religious/political discussions are challenging enough to moderate when people are face-to-face... In an impersonal, anonymous medium such as this, such threads tend to require constant moderation, create enemies out of prior friends, and generate more hate and anger than anything else. There are a plethora of other forums on the internet dedicated to such discussion, if that's what floats your boat.
 
Not banning but losing, and many of those people don't interact in the open forums anyways. That is they only come here to MR to discuss PRSI stuff. Perhaps another site or sites geared to discussing politics would be a better fit for those people anyways instead of a technology site focused on Apple products.

I wish we had the same rules as another forum I use...

That's at least two of you that oppose this forum (and type of discussion) here at MR. Maybe it's time for you all to hold a vote in the private mods section?
 
And all this time I pictured you singing... "IVE GOT THE POWWAHHH!!" Jim Carrey style.
We do have some power. :D

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You could, as a group, decide it isn't worth moderating that sub-forum, yes?

You, as a group, underestimate your power.

MacRumors is a business so it's up to the management to decide how it's run. The moderators (correct me if I'm wrong) are the employees.

The moderators can certainly get together and refuse to moderate a sub-forum but, like in any other business, there are consequences when the employees refuse to follow the direction of management.

In any case, I'm sure the moderators are continuing to talk to the management about any issues.
 
MacRumors is a business so it's up to the management to decide how it's run. The moderators (correct me if I'm wrong) are the employees.

The moderators can certainly get together and refuse to moderate a sub-forum but, like in any other business, there are consequences when the employees refuse to follow the direction of management.

In any case, I'm sure the moderators are continuing to talk to the management about any issues.
You're absolutely right. The unpaid workers might find themselves out of a "job" if they fail to carry out the direction of the management.
 
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You could, as a group, decide it isn't worth moderating that sub-forum, yes?
All the forums are subject to moderation but individual moderators can chose not to moderate in a certain forum if they are not comfortable doing it.

I very much doubt PRSI will ever be allowed to become the unmoderated Wild West free for all that some members dream about.
 
All the forums are subject to moderation but individual moderators can chose not to moderate in a certain forum if they are not comfortable doing it.

I very much doubt PRSI will ever be allowed to become the unmoderated Wild West free for all that some members dream about.
Some sites make the political forums paid only. It keeps it out of the eyes of regular users and would probably be a free for all.
 
Most sites ban it altogether.
And that could maybe happen if the moderators together decide that they are done moderating with it. It could possibly be easier for the management to just shut it down then to try to replace most/all of the mods at once.

On one hand, I'm surprised to see that representation of the company (in this case, the moderators) are allowed to repeatedly call parts of the company trash in a public setting. I doubt that would be allowed where I work. On the other hand, they aren't being paid, so really, what is to stop them? Nor do I blame them (for holding those views) in this case, frankly. I learned a long time ago that I am not welcome in PRSI.
 
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