Enough with the PRSI articles on the front page.

[velocityg4]

When it comes to PRSI articles. I don't mind their existence per se. Rather that they exclude members from participating in discussion. I'd rather they have their own forum and follow non PRSI rules established in other forums.

I do like reading through the PRSI some. Rarely do I feel the need to post in PRSI outside of Macrumors articles which reside their. Although I try to keep those posts in non-MR PRSI threads a-political, just food for thought.

Mainly, I find it fascinating to see the vitriol for one point of view or another or decrying another political party for something. Without the realization that they or their party are doing, have done or failed to do something similar. It often reminds me of the verse "Why do you see the speck that is in your brother’s eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye?".

MacRumors is a business so it's up to the management to decide how it's run. The moderators (correct me if I'm wrong) are the employees.

The moderators can certainly get together and refuse to moderate a sub-forum but, like in any other business, there are consequences when the employees refuse to follow the direction of management.

In any case, I'm sure the moderators are continuing to talk to the management about any issues.

Although it becomes tough for management to fire employees working for free. Then they have to find other skilled people who will do as good a job for free or start paying people. It's not like some old fashioned factory strike where there are tons of low skilled laborers clamoring for low skilled work.

 

[Plutonius]

The rules here are extremely stringent and both sides are impacted equally from what I've seen.

I think that the moderators do not take sides when moderating PRSI and both sides do seem to be impacted equally.

whether or not there should be so many front page articles pertaining to politics.

Everything in society seems to link to politics now. I actually enjoy the front page articles that MacRumors links to PRSI. They make for interesting discussions instead of the president good / bad threads in PRSI.

 

[ericgtr12]

Everything in society seems to link to politics now. I actually enjoy the front page articles that MacRumors links to PRSI. They make for interesting discussions instead of the president good / bad threads in PRSI.

When you view in this context, just viewing and responding to the post from the front page, you would never even really know which forum it's in. I've done this several times without paying attention to exactly where I was, it just feels like you're replying to the front page post.

 

[ucfgrad93]

We do have some power.

Huh, I always thought it was a hammer, not a button.

 

[RichardMZhlubb]

Well, for me it's hard to say because I take breaks (of my own accord) from the PRSI forum for a few months here and there and recently jumping back in I see very few of the same people I saw last time. This tells me one of two things, first is that people may have opted to stop posting on their own, or second, they have been banned from this forum and judging by the feedback in the Site and Feedback forum I'm guessing this is mostly why.

The rules here are extremely stringent and both sides are impacted equally from what I've seen.

My sense, based on the current set of regular posters in PRSI, is that the majority of recent bans and suspensions have been of right-leaning posters. Now, some of them may have chosen voluntarily to stop posting, but I have seen a clear and noticeable drop in the number and frequency of right-leaning posts in PRSI in recent months. And I think the forum has suffered as a result.

And, regarding the original topic of PRSI topics on the front page, there is a distinct difference in the quality and scope of comments on PRSI front-page posts and those that originate in PRSI. Front page posts attract a lot of commenters who do not regularly post in PRSI and they tend to be far more conservative and superficial than the typical PRSI set of posters (even before the recent disappearance of a lot of the more conservative posters from PRSI). Some may view PRSI as a dumpster fire, but I think that the comment threads that originate there are actually far more thoughtful than the PRSI threads that originate on the front page.

 

[Plutonius]

Now, some of them may have chosen voluntarily to stop posting

I haven't been there as much since it's somewhat boring right now. It seems like 95%+ of the post are Trump good / bad post. These post still seem to be popular but I got tired of reading them.

I occasionally try to start a non-political topic but it never goes far. Either people aren't interested in the topic or they ignore my post because they are not interested in my point of view .

 

[samiwas]

My sense, based on the current set of regular posters in PRSI, is that the majority of recent bans and suspensions have been of right-leaning posters. Now, some of them may have chosen voluntarily to stop posting, but I have seen a clear and noticeable drop in the number and frequency of right-leaning posts in PRSI in recent months. And I think the forum has suffered as a result.

Odd. I have seen exactly the opposite, and wholeheartedly disagree that more right-leaning members are banned. I feel that the forum has become much more right leaning in the past few years. There is a huge list of right wingers who still continue to post in there, while most of the original left members have been banned (including myself). And indeed, it has suffered.

 

[RichardMZhlubb]

Odd. I have seen exactly the opposite, and wholeheartedly disagree that more right-leaning members are banned. I feel that the forum has become much more right leaning in the past few years. There is a huge list of right wingers who still continue to post in there, while most of the original left members have been banned (including myself). And indeed, it has suffered.

I can only speak to changes over the last year, since I was not active in the forum before that. There have been a number of the more active right-wing posters over that time who have suddenly stopped posting, for whatever reason. Those that remain are certainly active, but their arguments become very repetitive after a while. (And, to be clear, I am a liberal and vehemently disagree with most of what these folks have to say).

 

[tonyr6]

PRSI articles are back. Already three in a row are PRSI articles. Really post them on the side.

 

[tonyr6]

Really Macrumors this story belongs in the PRSI forum
https://www.macrumors.com/2018/12/07/apple-idina-menzel-concert/

 

[MacNut]

Really Macrumors this story belongs in the PRSI forum
https://www.macrumors.com/2018/12/07/apple-idina-menzel-concert/

Ya that one doesn't make any sense at all. Is saying Merry Christmas now too political?

 

[C DM]

Ya that one doesn't make any sense at all. Is saying Merry Christmas now too political?

Really Macrumors this story belongs in the PRSI forum
https://www.macrumors.com/2018/12/07/apple-idina-menzel-concert/

Probably more of a pre-empty better safe than sorry type of thing given that when it's something non-technical/business that involves Tim Cook saying or doing something there are almost always posts that start popping up spinning something or other in some PRSI type of way. That and perhaps the part of it all related to Toys for Tots which does more or less fit in with the Social Issues part of PRSI.

 

[WildCowboy]

Really Macrumors this story belongs in the PRSI forum
https://www.macrumors.com/2018/12/07/apple-idina-menzel-concert/

We didn't put it in there initially, but the entire discussion thread immediately became all about the "War on Christmas" angle.

It's extremely disheartening.

 

[MacNut]

We didn't put it in there initially, but the entire discussion thread immediately became all about the "War on Christmas" angle.

It's extremely disheartening.

I have to wonder if that article was even worthy of front page news to begin with.

 

[chown33]

We didn't put it in there initially, but the entire discussion thread immediately became all about the "War on Christmas" angle.

It's extremely disheartening.

Different people have different holiday traditions. For some it's Peace and Joy, or maybe Rejoice in the Light, while for others it's The Airing of Grievances.

And for some, every day is an opportunity to repeat a holiday tradition. Like Groundhog Day, but without a redemption theme.

 

[tonyr6]

We didn't put it in there initially, but the entire discussion thread immediately became all about the "War on Christmas" angle.

It's extremely disheartening.

Now I understand.

If any article should be on PRSI it would be this story
https://www.macrumors.com/2018/12/10/qualcomm-iphone-import-ban-china/

I personally think PRSI front page articles which should be pushed to the side deseve there own forum.

 

[ericgtr12]

We didn't put it in there initially, but the entire discussion thread immediately became all about the "War on Christmas" angle.

It's extremely disheartening.

Practically any topic has the potential to turn political, especially in today's climate. The staff here is so hell-bent on policing every little thing that instead of simply either removing the post or re-directing (staff warning in the thread) this is the reaction instead.

One post went off topic by a couple of people, address those posts, ask the people to stop and move on instead of imposing penalties or moving to different forums.

 

[bpeeps]

If that is the case, it doesn't reflect well for the business called MacRumors, in my opinion. Doesn't make sense to continue putting up with a blot on pages and thorns in the side, when the remedy is very simple.

@arn As much as you may dislike the idea, you should seriously consider getting the PRSI side of your business in order. I bet if you had to deal with the constant troubles in said forum, you wouldn't allow your business time and business model to put up with the constant trouble. The moderators (working in your business for free) shouldn't have to spend the majority of their time constantly dispensing with verbal diarrhea (via TOS violations) especially when this business is tech based.

Do you want to continue to grow a respected business where people feel welcome and enjoy making use of the tech forums, or do you want to continue to make your moderators deal with things you have chosen to ignore, and have established people declining to contribute because of the cesspool called PRSI?

In one corner of your "Best Buy" type business layout, you have one section that is constantly being vandalized, people fighting, and the police constantly being called to your business. Those coming to your business see the chaos and destruction and wonder why the management cares so little about their business as they exit the premises and tell their friends what a mess your business is, even though there are many, many positive aspects about MacRumors.

Success in business comes from leadership. And as the head of the MacRumors business, you need to step up and exercise some visible leadership. I doubt you would allow strangers to come to your home and disrespect you and your family. And yet, you continue to welcome such dysfunctional behavior in your business.

And while I am on the subject of leadership, there is no excuse to not pay your moderators a reasonable wage to help keep your business in order, in my opinion. They put in a lot of hours every day. They are doing their best to look out for your business model's best interest. Without the moderators (and admins as well) you wouldn't have the kind of business you have right now.

Many of your moderators have let it be known publicly, that the PRSI is a place that they don't like to go to and are tired of having to deal with the headache and trouble of that one section of your business every day.

The people that continue to tear up that particular section of your business day after day are not respecting you, your business or your employees. They aren't buying anything from you. Why do you allow the madness to continue?

@arn Hopefully you’ve read this post. It’s eloquent and spot on.

 

[roland.g]

If that is the case, it doesn't reflect well for the business called MacRumors, in my opinion. Doesn't make sense to continue putting up with a blot on pages and thorns in the side, when the remedy is very simple.

@arn As much as you may dislike the idea, you should seriously consider getting the PRSI side of your business in order. I bet if you had to deal with the constant troubles in said forum, you wouldn't allow your business time and business model to put up with the constant trouble. The moderators (working in your business for free) shouldn't have to spend the majority of their time constantly dispensing with verbal diarrhea (via TOS violations) especially when this business is tech based.

Do you want to continue to grow a respected business where people feel welcome and enjoy making use of the tech forums, or do you want to continue to make your moderators deal with things you have chosen to ignore, and have established people declining to contribute because of the cesspool called PRSI?

In one corner of your "Best Buy" type business layout, you have one section that is constantly being vandalized, people fighting, and the police constantly being called to your business. Those coming to your business see the chaos and destruction and wonder why the management cares so little about their business as they exit the premises and tell their friends what a mess your business is, even though there are many, many positive aspects about MacRumors.

Success in business comes from leadership. And as the head of the MacRumors business, you need to step up and exercise some visible leadership. I doubt you would allow strangers to come to your home and disrespect you and your family. And yet, you continue to welcome such dysfunctional behavior in your business.

And while I am on the subject of leadership, there is no excuse to not pay your moderators a reasonable wage to help keep your business in order, in my opinion. They put in a lot of hours every day. They are doing their best to look out for your business model's best interest. Without the moderators (and admins as well) you wouldn't have the kind of business you have right now.

Many of your moderators have let it be known publicly, that the PRSI is a place that they don't like to go to and are tired of having to deal with the headache and trouble of that one section of your business every day.

The people that continue to tear up that particular section of your business day after day are not respecting you, your business or your employees. They aren't buying anything from you. Why do you allow the madness to continue?

Not to throw oil on a fire, as I have no opinion of him as a person, but under the Tim Cook tenure at Apple, more and more Apple related news falls into PRSI due to Tim’s desire for Apple as a massively profitable company to leverage its influence into social issues, using his position at Apple direct those efforts. Sorry Tim but you make an insane boatload of money and can easily do much of that on your own dime and time without making it the hobby of a tech company that many feel has lost its innovative edge.

How can MR avoid front page articles and the need for the sub forum if there are so many areas in which Apple is part of news that is applicable to those topics.