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They jack it up because they believe it will be required to keep the machines running smoothly, not because they have listened to popular requests. It`s a clear indication of OS/Apps becoming more thirsty with the implementation of AI functionality.

Apple and appmakers will need some time to develop and determine levels, but their present estimate is 16 gigs for starters. MY prediction is that many of those who wanted to add 8 to get 16, will add 8 to get 24 in a year or two. For the same reason and with the same effect...

Agree and of course! As time moves on so will software demands. I mean in time, eventually an M1 will feel slow and a 1TB SSD cramped. The generational leap to on device AI is what's caused this specific push for more RAM.
 
WiFi 7 is the new complaint, just because.

It doesn't matter that much but it's an annoyance. Most people only buy desktop type machiens every 5-7 years so it's annoying to miss a major peripheral cycle.

For example, I'd like to see wi-fi 7 and TB5.

I'm on an M1 Max and it's fine but I really wish it had av1 hardware decoding and wi-fi 7 (or at least 6e with the 6ghz band) for example.
 
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Given the ridiculous precedent Apple set for 8GB; I am curious how long the 16GB era will last.
 
My assumption is one of a few things:

1. It became economically infeasible to continue builds of 8, 16, 24, 32, etc.
2. Apple discovered AI needs more than 8 GB of memory for future workflows
3. Apple will use RAM as a cutoff in 4-5 years… and NOT the chip
4. (Wishful thinking) Apple got tired of being made fun of in the tech press
 
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so all the people who don't need 16gb are paying for something they won't need/use.

Apple could have included a new hardware feature/double base storage/or lower the price, but nope, force 8GB users to pay for something they won't use. got it.
No one has claimed 8GB is enough for eternity. It was bound to happen at some point, personally I think this year is very reasonable. Could have been last year, sure.

Treating it like it is some sort of admission by Apple is absurd.
 
Apple Intelligence best feature: Finally forced Timmy to increase RAM.
 
Because 8gb is no longer an option for anyone now that Apple Intelligence is part of MacOS. It simply would not work with that little RAM, AI models take up a lot of space.

I hope 16GB still feels like a lot of RAM, because that's what my M4 mini I preordered has. I am going to assume Apple learned from their mistake last time around... because no, you are actually wrong... 8GB was never enough. It was the absolute bare minimum to have a machine that runs at all. That's different from being enough. The thing is, Apple Silicon is so fast you can't tell when it's swapping between the RAM and the SSD... but it's still bad that it has to do it.
You're trying to tell me that 8 gigs of RAM is not enough for browsing the web, listen to music, reply to a message or work on a spreadsheet, etc.? As I said. If 16GB of RAM is enough for gaming in 4K how come 8 gigs is not enough for the computer to run at all?
 
And the kicker is The M4 Macbook Pro with 16GB cost the same as the M3 Macbook Pro with 8GB RAM which shows you that it cost Apple nothing to increase the base RAM.
It couldn’t be because the M4 on TSMC’s higher yielding N3E process is cheaper than an M3 on the N3B essentially development process that has very low yields.
 
What will happen to the existing 8GB devices once Apple Intelligence starts rolling out? I still have an 8G M1 iMac. Will it get limited features?
Nothing except if you utilize AI its possible you see a little more memory swapping in activity monitor between the DRAM and SSD. Its works out pretty well because the M1 memory access between DRSAM and SSD is sufficiently fast, not slow. ;)
 
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Because 8gb is no longer an option for anyone now that Apple Intelligence is part of MacOS. It simply would not work with that little RAM, AI models take up a lot of space.
Wrong, it is officially supported. It will be faster with 16 for sure, and Apple decided that it pushed it over the edge where 16 is needed for those using AI, to give an acceptable performance for a new Mac. It was bound to happen at some point, AI or not.
 
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My assumption is one of a few things:

1. It became economically infeasible to continue builds of 8, 16, 24, 32, etc.
2. Apple discovered AI needs more than 8 GB of memory for future workflows
3. Apple will use RAM as a cutoff in 4-5 years… and NOT the chip
4. (Wishful thinking) Apple got tired of being made fun of in the tech press

I guess I forgot Option 5: TSMC told Apple it will cost more money to continue 8 GB builds if the highest end M4 flavor RAM maximum keeps increasing. In other words, let’s say Apple likes having 4 RAM configs… keeping the 8 GB would add a 5th RAM config… costing more money to maintain.

So, rather than do that… they just shifted everyone up to 16 to save money.
 
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