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lol zero control... as said many times Apples AppStore would not stop to exist.

The ones that fears the dark night, can still keep buying Software at higher prices from the walled garden.
They could also just try to revive their brains, and use it just like others did the last decades on other platforms, before the AppStore 2007 existed.

I wonder how Senior Android Users survives with their Android and all these filthy Hax0rs around them, they must have taken some hardcore survival training.

It’s not that I won’t survive using Android, but I believe it would be a worse experience for me overall.

So why would I support an initiative that would only serve to make the ecosystem that I use worse?

I can, but I shouldn’t have to, and I won’t if I would have any say in it. That’s why I am an Apple user end to end.
 
Case closed. Tim Apple wins. Now fortnite has to listen to Apple or be a jerk and not listen.
 
Apple will allow Fortnite back immediately, he just has to get rid of the App Store violation
Yeah, this is not some crusade from Apple’s perspective. Follow the rules and you get access to millions upon millions of customers with credit cards already connected with their account such that there’s just one click between you and making money.
 
Apple needs competition in App Discovery !
The internet would like to introduce itself to you.

I just found out Cubasis, an app I don’t own, was updated to be a version I might want INCLUDING information on what those new features are AND that it’s currently on sale via Reddit. I also found some videos of it on YouTube. I found out about a new app from MSXII Sound Design on Instagram and found out about a new Drone app I didn’t know about from AudioLab’s website.

Are there people that, with access to the entire internet, choose to make ALL of their App purchasing decisions via the AppStore? I don’t know, but if you KNOW any, please direct them to “google.com”. It may take a few times for them to get it right, but it’s FAR more valuable for discovery than the AppStore.
 
I am really confused if/how EPIC thinks they can win this...

What is in it for them? Beyond a slim chance of winning?

Is it the 'all publicity is good publicity' mindset? Not to mention they are losing out on iOS revenue? And look like a spoiled entitled brat?
"Not to mention they are losing out on iOS revenue?"

It's the smallest piece of the Fortnite pie. Fortnite iOS was circling the drain before this started and it is the only reason Epic had the balls to try this.
 
Case closed. 🧑‍⚖️
API Compatibility, data privacy, safe and fair disclosure practices, case is pretty much. Thanks for coming out to play Sweeney dweeby
I tend to stop paying attention to those that include “y’all” in their speech anyway.

y’all may not be very common English outside of Texas but it’s a proper compound word meaning “you all”. Sounds weird yes but it’s used more commonly in other languages.
 
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Anyone rooting for Apple, Steam or any other platform for taking 30% from game sales, are a bunch of corporate shills. This practice needs to end, and the Epic and Microsoft stores have at least taken steps to improve the revenue for game companies - esp. considering computer games' ever-increasing complexity and production expenses.

How many billions of dollars do Apple and Steam really need to snatch up from other people's hard work, by simply offering a distribution platform? 12-15% would be a more sensical revenue cut, but keep pushing your fake politically correct messaging Apple, trying to cover up the fact that you are a bunch of greedy money hoarders.
Except before the iOS Store, retailers were taking more than 50% and Epic knows this cause they were around back then.
 
Guessing he's also counting on being able to use GeForce Now to serve those customers on Apple platforms without developing for them. Makes me wonder if he'll drop Android as well a bit down the road. A pity since iOS rocks for games on mobile.

There are also loads of better games than Fortnite on there 🙈

Dropping Android/iOS would surely only mean “for their games”. Supporting it in UE4 is benefiting both, Epic and Apple.
 
Apple didn’t give any special deals to even Netflix. For a ver long time you couldn’t sign up for Amazon Prime Video on iOS for similar reasons. If Apple wasn’t giving breaks to Netflix and Amazon, why would he think Epic would get a break?
Apple has worked out multiple deals but both sides has to be willing to offer something. Apple/Amazon deals saw the AppleTV devices back on sale at the Amazon store also AppleTV Channel on FireTV. The Amazon apps still don't get to bypass the in-app purchase but it was something Amazon agreed to.

Netflix never made an agreement and didn't cry like Spotify. They just removed the ability to subscribe to Netflix via the app. Those that are still subscribed via the App Store, Netflix pays a lesser percentage (similar to magazine subscriptions).
 
The internet would like to introduce itself to you.

I just found out Cubasis, an app I don’t own, was updated to be a version I might want INCLUDING information on what those new features are AND that it’s currently on sale via Reddit. I also found some videos of it on YouTube. I found out about a new app from MSXII Sound Design on Instagram and found out about a new Drone app I didn’t know about from AudioLab’s website.

Are there people that, with access to the entire internet, choose to make ALL of their App purchasing decisions via the AppStore? I don’t know, but if you KNOW any, please direct them to “google.com”. It may take a few times for them to get it right, but it’s FAR more valuable for discovery than the AppStore.
And ditto for people trying to find apps on Steam, GOG, Humble, EPIC! and a dozen other stores. Google It!
 
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Netflix never made an agreement and didn't cry like Spotify.
I believe Netflix communicated their displeasure and the Store rules were changed specifically for streaming video companies. But, it wasn’t designed as a Netflix exemption. ANY streaming company that wants to compete against Netflix using iOS as a platform can do so on equal footing against Netflix. (I’ll have to look this up, though ;) )
 
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Anyone rooting for Apple, Steam or any other platform for taking 30% from game sales, are a bunch of corporate shills. This practice needs to end, and the Epic and Microsoft stores have at least taken steps to improve the revenue for game companies - esp. considering computer games' ever-increasing complexity and production expenses.

How many billions of dollars do Apple and Steam really need to snatch up from other people's hard work, by simply offering a distribution platform? 12-15% would be a more sensical revenue cut, but keep pushing your fake politically correct messaging Apple, trying to cover up the fact that you are a bunch of greedy money hoarders.
What kind of logics are you using to justify such a 12-15% revenue cut? Nothing is ever free so what about Apple's hard work to develop the infrastructure and deploy support/review staff and engineers who spend hours to help developers and develop/improve their tools that empowers developers to create stunning apps. Developers just pay an annual $99 to access the tools and 15%-30% commission on sale. Do you know how many developers are there? How often they submit an updated apps for review? Do you even know how many reviewers it takes to review a single app? Do you know how many employees they need to ensure quicker turnaround? Do you know the cost of labor for these employees who play a vital role? I believe the 30% could well justify the commission due to the scale of distribution which is in line with similar app stores. However, Apple could make it more enticing to lower the rate to attract/retain more developers. Labor is usually the largest expense in any company. If it was Epic Games store, they would have a much lower rate because they do not have nearly as many games/app distributed compared the scale of Apple/Google app store (millions/billions of apps). Developers can also utilize ads to generate revenue other than in-app purchases, charge a higher rate to account for commission for in-app purchases while offering a lower charge through their website like some other apps. If you really want to support developers, you can always buy it through their respective website than through their app.
 
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API Compatibility, data privacy, safe and fair disclosure practices, case is pretty much. Thanks for coming out to play Sweeney dweeby


y’all may not be very common English outside of Texas but it’s a proper compound word meaning “you all”. Sounds weird yes but it’s used more commonly in other languages.
Sure I get it is a compound word. Well a contraction actually but as a non native English speaker I knew what you mean. Even when taking it at face value I still find it inappropriate to use with someone you don't really know, nor has given you permission to be on such informal terms. The respective concept of tutoyer. But even if one wants to demonstrate such blatant disregard for etiquette, then why does he address his letter to a singular person, but then the first sentence goes into addressing a group.

I find it very odd behaviour and wouldn't dream to let myself down like that on first contact with someone I don't have a relationship with. If he were to do that with me I'd raise an eye brow and would make it clear that I have not given him permission to be on such familiar terms. And if he wants my respect and attention he better examines his own attitude.
 
I am really confused if/how EPIC thinks they can win this...

What is in it for them? Beyond a slim chance of winning?

Is it the 'all publicity is good publicity' mindset? Not to mention they are losing out on iOS revenue? And look like a spoiled entitled brat?
If they do win, they plan to release their own gaming App Store for iOS. There is a huge amount of money in it.
that is why they fight even with a slim chance of winning vs losing hundreds of millions in game revenue. It could worth billions.
 
I find it very odd behaviour and wouldn't dream to let myself down like that on first contact with someone I don't have a relationship with. If he were to do that with me I'd raise an eye brow and would make it clear that I have not given him permission to be on such familiar terms. And if he wants my respect and attention he better examines his own attitude.
I once worked for a couple of companies based in the South, (Mississippi and North Carolina). Internally, you’d hear “y’all”, and “ain’t” and “chunk” (for throw) and “fixin” (for getting ready), but no one used those forms when communicating professionally, whether it’s to other companies/teams based in the South or anywhere else.

Now, there WOULD be those we communicated with (The “Don’t call me Mr. James, Mr. James is my DAD!” types) who preferred us to speak that way and, once provided that permission of informality, then that’s how we’d communicate with them. So, it’s generally similar rules as you said, you showed respect by using the formal and switched to familiar when the need arose.

I’d guess that the Epic fellow, understanding that Tim Cook was from Alabama, figured he’d make himself seem more “friendly” to Tim using the familiar dialect. We don’t know how Tim Cook took it, but your assessment is correct that it was a risk that would have been wisest to avoid. Then again, we ARE talking about a guy that intentionally got kicked off the AppStore by breaking the rules, so maybe wise isn’t the case here.
 
Lawyers for Fortnite could cost up to $500 million . Yet Sweenie has taken on the challenge in the hope that even if he gets ‘a deal’ from Apple ( which he won’t )he would still be ahead
This is a waste of time and money for everybody. However it will set a precedent in the industry one way or the other
My question is how come he’s not suing the console makers
 
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Lawyers for Fortnite could cost up to $500 million . Yet Sweenie has taken on the challenge in the hope that even if he gets ‘a deal’ from Apple ( which he won’t )he would still be ahead
This is a waste of time and money for everybody. However it will set a precedent in the industry one way or the other
My question is how come he’s not suing the console makers
Because he’s making a nice profit there and irritating his customers on Xbox or Playstation would lose Epic a considerable amount of money.

With iOS, there was money coming in, but it wasn’t a lot by comparison (it was still numbers any smaller business would love to have). So, he had the company do what they did (wonder if they’ll talk to the developers… “Did you know that what you were being asked to circumvent the rules of the AppStore?”) understanding that Apple would remove it so he could start this big song and dance… knowing all the while that, even on the best day, iOS was only ever a single digit percentage of the vast sums of money they were making from Fortnite so no real pain. PLUS he gets to turn what COULD have been a bad news item (Fortnite cancels port for iOS) into his own personal crusade for a few months.
 
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Microsoft, Sony, and Nintendo all take a 30 percent cut from Epic Games on their platforms and require their in-app purchase systems to be used, but Sweeney said that Epic is not challenging them because he believes in the idea of "subsidized hardware," though he also admitted that iPhone and iOS development is "very similar." It's also worth noting that Fortnite makes more money on console platforms than it does from iOS.

Sweeney confirmed that Epic Games has a history of bullying platform makers.

Well this is pretty much sinks the case for Epic 🤣
 
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