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Not sure why everyone is praising Apple and condemning Epic Games. Honestly, both sides are in the wrong.

Epic violated Apple’s terms, so Apple has the right to remove Epic from the App Store. But the fact that Epic is effectively banned from all iPhone hardware—not just the App Store—because there are no alternative app stores, is where Apple goes too far.

Right now, Apple acts as judge, jury, and executioner by having total control over both software and hardware.

The argument that people can just “switch to Android” is weak. If Google ever chooses the same path, what options are left? Are we expected to write our own mobile operating systems?
You invent it, you design it, and you build it, and it's yours. Regulators come along later, screaming blue murder, because you've created something that others have their knickers in the twist about it. The irony with Apple, is they are often not the first, but end up being the best.
 
You can't understand if you stay in a$$le shoes.

It's pretty simple: when I have installed Fortnite on my PC I didn't have to ask permission to anybody.

Epic is asking the same for the phone, but greed a$$le is trying everything to block them.
well you answered it yourself: play it on your Mac. :)

you're w€l¢om€
 
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That’s correct. In the US they have a suit to win. Other than hubris, that they mostly won against Epic to me is an indicator of how the broader might go. The DoJ doesn’t win them all. And any other bill that might be in play has to win and can be easily derailed.

A suit they have made much harder for themselves with their absurd response to the ruling in the Epic trial.
 
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I think he was trying to use the recent win and wider public knowledge of the submission to try and see if Apple would knuckle under to avoid further negative press.
Yes. It’s an artificial problem, created by Epic.

It is reminiscent of the original complaint. Epic didn’t have to breach its contract with Apple to bring their original, grandiose lawsuit. They did it to generate public pressure, screwing their iOS users for publicity.

This is the same thing, another publicity stunt, and Epic will lose again. This time, however, they’re screwing users of their own store in Europe in a futile attempt to circumvent part of the ruling in the original complaint, which upheld Apple’s right to ban Epic’s developer account for breach of contract.
 
Smart movie, Apple, no response is also a response! No judge said anything about that!

As I see it, this is neither about the App Store anymore, nor about Fortnite.
This is about a CEO’s ego who doesn’t get his way and who wants to fight until the end to change a system he just doesn’t agree with. Because he wants more money. Meanwhile spending his company’s money on trials, on this fight that can also be used to develop nice games. This person only wants the rights, not the duties. Besides, who wants freemium trash anyway?

It’s like fighting an airline for not having to wear your seatbelt anymore, just because you don’t agree with the rules. But if you don’t agree, you can also just choose to not fly at all.
Same with the App Store, if you don’t agree, don’t use it. The responsibility of the downside is for yourself to handle. But don’t go into victim mode to get your way, Sweeny.
Agree wholeheartedly. There are so many games I'd love to see available on the Mac/iOS but the big dominant players aren't bringing them to those platforms, but is Apple crying, nope.
 
This is a somewhat specious argument. Epic could make the best phone in the world, with a brilliant OS (I assume you mean make their own OS too, otherwise it's just another Android phone), but it wouldn't sell because of the barriers to entry. The market doesn't really lend itself to completion from new entrants does it?
Well, that comment could have been said when Nokia and Blackberry were on top, but Apple did it anyway and sure, only large corporations like Apple can afford to try to venture in that space, but Epic isn't small. I too feel like 30% is a bit much.. but there's a reason it is only on digital goods. Digital items other than original development costs are basically free to duplicate for each buyer. Assuming Epic makes profits on these items without Apple, then anything it sells on Apple's platform is basically no cost to them to sell and they leverage Apple's ecosystem for the distribution of these items for free... yet don't want to share 30% of that profit.
 


Epic Games said today that Apple has blocked its attempt to bring Fortnite back to iOS devices, leaving the popular battle royale game unavailable on iPhones and iPads worldwide.

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"Apple has blocked our Fortnite submission so we cannot release to the US App Store or to the Epic Games Store for iOS in the European Union," Epic stated via its Fortnite account on X (Twitter). "Now, sadly, Fortnite on iOS will be offline worldwide until Apple unblocks it."

Apple banned the ‌Epic Games‌ developer account back in 2020 when ‌Epic Games‌ violated its ‌App Store‌ rules to add web-based purchases, kicking off a multi-year legal battle. Because the main ‌Epic Games‌ developer account continues to be banned, Epic submitted Fortnite to the U.S. ‌App Store‌ using an account from Epic Games Sweden, a subsidiary that Epic formed to create the ‌Epic Games‌ Store alternative app marketplace in the European Union.

The game was submitted for review on May 9, but after waiting over 120 hours without a response, Epic was forced to pull and resubmit its application to include the latest update.

Epic CEO Tim Sweeney has been vocal about his frustration with the situation, claiming that Apple has not been returning the company's calls and that the review process typically moves much faster.

Before submitting Fortnite to the U.S. App Store, Epic CEO Tim Sweeney said the company spoke with Apple about its plans – but never claimed Apple approved them. It remains unclear if Apple will allow Fortnite back, as the Epic v. Apple lawsuit confirmed that Apple has the right to ban Epic's account and isn't required to reinstate it.

It's the latest chapter in the ongoing legal battle between the two companies, which began in 2020 when Apple removed Fortnite from the App Store after Epic implemented direct payment options that bypassed Apple's 30% commission.

The game had briefly returned to iOS devices in the EU via the Epic Games Store, but that version has now also gone offline.

Article Link: Epic: Fortnite Offline Worldwide 'Until Apple Unblocks It'
If Epic wants their game so badly in the App Store, then just follow Apple’s rules. Trying to play by your own rules inside others people’s court is not something most would take lightly.
 
Why don't Apple make their own Fortnite? Or is that an expensive endeavour?
Apple doesn’t see Fortnite as valuable to their ecosystem or they wouldn’t be keeping it out their store. Ironically when they do see a service or app worth investing in then people complain it’s unfair to 3rd party developers
 
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It's time for a$$le to be pushed in a corner.

"think different" has definitively died, under the greed.

As per the original court ruling:

Apple’s termination of the DPLA and the related agreements between Epic Games and Apple was valid, lawful, and enforceable, and (ii) Apple has the contractual right to terminate its DPLA with any or all of Epic Games’ wholly owned subsidiaries, affiliates, and/or other entities under Epic Games’ control at any time and at Apple’s sole discretion.

Translation: even though Apple now has to allow these various changes to apps, they don’t have to have any business relationship with Epic Games if they don’t want to.
 
You can't understand if you stay in a$$le shoes.

It's pretty simple: when I have installed Fortnite on my PC I didn't have to ask permission to anybody.

Epic is asking the same for the phone, but greed a$$le is trying everything to block them.
So, basically, you mean every restaurant in the world MUST offer Coca-Cola if they come and tell the owner to have it on the menu?
 
Okay, so what reason did Apple give?
Probably haven't given any yet or even denied the app. Epic is just getting their panties in a bunch and throwing a tantrum because the app didn't get a 24-hour approval like all the much smaller apps do. They keep throwing around the "120 hours" number because it sounds a lot larger than 5 days. They knew if they said 5 days people would laugh in their face. Epic is just hoping people can't do math.
 
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There are no heroes here, both corporations are bad in their own ways. Apple for treating their users like children who need supervision for everything, and Epic for treating their children's gambling game like it's a human right.
 
Probably haven't given any yet or even denied the app. Epic is just getting their panties in a bunch and throwing a tantrum because the app didn't get a 24-hour approval like all the much smaller apps do. They keep throwing around the "120 hours" number because it sounds a lot larger than 5 days. They knew if they said 5 days people would laugh in their face. Epic is just hoping people can't do math.
I mean their whole business model is based on preying on kids not doing math so that thinking is right on brand.
 
It’s still an ignored distinction. For discussion sake. Apple being the most valuable company in the world has a target on it, even if it isn’t the most powerful.

No.

Gaming is looked at when their is significant cause to believe than major players are using their market power unfairly.

Microsoft's acquisition of Activision being a case in point.


Just curious, is this a fact or an opinion? Because it seems none of us can know how any future litigation against Apple might turn out.

Well I don't think a judge publicly hammering your company for failing to properly comply with a court order that was put in place to ensure fair competition is ever a good look when you headed into a trial where the same business practices are going to be litigated.

Some of the discovery did not put some of Apple's executives off well, one of them has even been referred for criminal charges.

You would have to be somewhat delusional to think that is good preparation for the antitrust trial, will it effect the outcome? We will have to see. They have certainly provided a ton of extra ammunition for the DOJ.
 
everyone saying they “shouldn’t be forced” to move to android means, they just don’t want to leave iPhone
Yes. It’s an artificial problem, created by Epic.

It is reminiscent of the original complaint. Epic didn’t have to breach its contract with Apple to bring their original, grandiose lawsuit. They did it to generate public pressure, screwing their iOS users for publicity.

This is the same thing, another publicity stunt, and Epic will lose again. This time, however, they’re screwing users of their own store in Europe in a futile attempt to circumvent part of the ruling in the original complaint, which upheld Apple’s right to ban Epic’s developer account for breach of contract.
i don’t believe Apple is allowed to ban Epic’s developer account. That’s why they’re still allowed to resubmit Fortnite
 
As per the original court ruling:

Apple’s termination of the DPLA and the related agreements between Epic Games and Apple was valid, lawful, and enforceable, and (ii) Apple has the contractual right to terminate its DPLA with any or all of Epic Games’ wholly owned subsidiaries, affiliates, and/or other entities under Epic Games’ control at any time and at Apple’s sole discretion.

Translation: even though Apple now has to allow these various changes to apps, they don’t have to have any business relationship with Epic Games if they don’t want to.
So Fortnite is never coming back. Wonder if epic will remove unreal engine from Mac/iOS in retaliation
 
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