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Nah. Apple should get their greedy fingers outta users hardware that THEY paid for. If people wanna play Fortnite on their iPhone and Epic wants to provide that why should Apple be involved.
I didn't buy "MY" Apple device to play Fortnite. I'm going to assume many others did not buy any Apple device to play Fortnite. EPIC was banned for good reason. Apple is not required to allow EPIC back on the store or its platform. JUST, mind you. As ANY DEVELOPER IS NOT REQUIRED TO DEVELOP FOR ANY APPLE HARDWARE. It goes both ways.

If you want to play Fortnite. There are many other means to do so. I myself have an Xbox, a PC, and an older iMac Pro (Intel) that can and does play Fortnite via bootcamp. None of them was purchased with the intention of playing Fortnite. But to play any game I wish. Tim Sweeny needs to stop thinking he runs the show.
 
But you agree to their terms to use their software... disagree with that? go install another OS on the hardware you own.
So if I agreed with segregation, which I don't, then back in the day I should have just sat in the back of the bus and not said anything to anybody? After all that was the law of the land. Your argument has nothing to do with the issue at hand.
 
So instead of taking the win, and showing how beneficial this win is.. He’s throwing a tantrum, thinking everyone will rally behind him (which no one cares) to further attempt to humiliate Apple. Yeah Apple is being petty, but it’s a petty game being played.
 
Nah. Apple should get their greedy fingers outta users hardware that THEY paid for. If people wanna play Fortnite on their iPhone and Epic wants to provide that why should Apple be involved.
Because Apple need to pay for that to happen. For a popular game in AppStore the infrastructure/CDN cost will be in millions of $ per month.

EPIC need to pay for this somehow, and 30% is for Apple to make a profit from this. Apple are not providing free service for EPIC and it's up to them to set the price, not EPIC.
 
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So instead of taking the win, and showing how beneficial this win is.. He’s throwing a tantrum, thinking everyone will rally behind him (which no one cares) to further attempt to humiliate Apple. Yeah Apple is being petty, but it’s a petty game being played.

You’re mistakenly assuming no one cares or supports the Epic position in the development community.

The truth is very few have the budget and desire to undertake this fight as Epic has.
 
Yes it’s ridiculous for him to complain. A one year old subscription under Apple’s terms would be 12% Tim Epic charges… 12% on his own App Store. How can one argue against middleman charges and then charge them himself? Why doesn’t the court enjoin Epic’s app store fees? No logical consistency
The court case was about anti-competitive behavior. Epic Games should release Fortnite on the Epic Games Store in the UK.
Sure, you didn't ask permission to download Epic's game from Epic's PC store. They own both the store and the game, so they don't have to pay fees to anyone else and can just provide the game directly to you.

That's not the case on mobile, though. They don't own the App Store or the Play Store. Apple and Google do, respectively.

Non-Epic games that are sold via the Epic Games Store need to pay fees to Epic. So, Epic wants to charge fees to game developers who sell games on their store, but don't want to pay Apple any fees when selling games on Apple's store?

How does this make any sense?
Why should they have to? Apple has been participating in anti-competitive behavior this entire time.
 
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i don’t believe Apple is allowed to ban Epic’s developer account. That’s why they’re still allowed to resubmit Fortnite
No, the ruling is quoted above, as follows:

Apple’s termination of the DPLA and the related agreements between Epic Games and Apple was valid, lawful, and enforceable, and (ii) Apple has the contractual right to terminate its DPLA with any or all of Epic Games’ wholly owned subsidiaries, affiliates, and/or other entities under Epic Games’ control at any time and at Apple’s sole discretion.

Epic used a subsidiary that exists to comply with European regulations. Its account had only previously been used to establish the Epic Games Store. No version of Fortnite was submitted to Apple previously, instead it was made available in Europe via the Epic Games Store.

It is Epic who has chosen to prevent Fortnite from working in Europe, not Apple.
 
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You’re mistakenly assuming no one cares or supports the Epic position in the development community.

The truth is very few have the budget and desire to undertake this fight as Epic has.
I don’t think I am. It’s news because it’s Apple. How many Fortnite iOS fans are rallying and dying to add it back. And if the point was to fight for consumer then keep it in the EU, why punish fans, why not make it cheaper like they promised.
 
For all US/Non-EU-People here who defend Apple for not allowing Sideloading:

This, my fellas, is the main reason why it's absolutely necessary to allow it. Today it's Fortnite, tomorrow it might be your favorite/most used app.
Android should be your go to then if this is your main concern.

Apples blocking of fortnight was not capricious. People ought to know who they get involved with and if the ceo wants to burn their customers. If fortnight didn’t try to burn apple, they would be on the App Store and both apple and epic would be making $$$.
 
The court case was about anti-competitive behavior. Epic Games should release Fortnite on the Epic Games Store in the UK.

Why should they have to? Apple has been participating in anti-competitive behavior this entire time.
Anti-competitive or not, they should never be force to provide free service to another company.
Running a CDN for a large popular game is really expensive and way more than $99 per year. EPIC is trying to free ride that from Apple and not paying the bandwidth fee.

BTW why Tim Sweeney not suing other gatekeepers that also charge at least 30% from him? Oh because if it's banned from PlayStation or Xbox they are screwed big time. It's just they know iOS player was a small part of it and they can start from here and ultimately kills PlayStation and Xbox later.
 
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I’m not a fan of Fortnite; their business model has its own flaws, but I’m wholeheartedly for consumer choice. Consumers should have the choice to use any software they like on any platform they use and use any payment system of their choosing. Apple's decision is once again regrettable.

Gota disagree with you here.

I love how guarded Apple can be when it comes to iOS. Truly a walled in garden of Eden! Keep the rifraff out if you don’t want them on your device (Google, perfect example)…
 
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It boggles my mind that some people like the idea that Apple is a gatekeeper for a computer you purchased as your only option. I understand that some people want privacy and security, but to say that they don’t think ANY user should have a choice about what is installed on their computer just doesn’t make sense.

We’ve seen in Europe third party AppStore’s aren’t that popular, sideloading overall isn’t that popular. But if I want to sideload or get an alternative AppStore that has apps Apple won’t approve then that should be the users choice.
 
I haven’t read through all the comments….presumably Fortnight was available in the EU? Has Apple now blocked it there? Or did Epic pull it when Apple denied their US submission? Sweeney has to know by now this is all personal.
MR could have done a better job explaining this. As I understand it, Fortnite is available for iOS in the EU, but not via the App Store. You have the install the Epic Games Store and side load it.

Also, Apple hasn’t yet denied the submission. They haven’t taken any action. No doubt the lawyers are involved.
 
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This is a somewhat specious argument. Epic could make the best phone in the world, with a brilliant OS (I assume you mean make their own OS too, otherwise it's just another Android phone), but it wouldn't sell because of the barriers to entry. The market doesn't really lend itself to completion from new entrants does it?
It does if it is a good product. It's just hard to make a good product.

One issue to entry for someone like EPIC in a hypothetical world where they do want to build a phone. Is that they would build a mobile PC type device that happens to be able to make calls. Since they want it to play games they and others make.
Verses a Phone first product, that happens to be good at doing PC things.
Also, is the end user dealing with a Phone, or are they dealing with a Computer? There are plenty of mobile PC type devices if you need a computer. Ones that would be WAY more compatible by default than any phone could be. Even if you're dealing with more potential issues from a mobile computer vs a Phone. It's a better product for a "gamer" on the go than a Phone. Asus makes a gaming phone, yet it isn't the most popular mobile device.

The approach to making such a device is definitely part of the reasons it is hard to enter the phone market.
Let alone building an OS or just using something off the shelf and making it work for you the best way it can.
Not to mention, getting that product at scale to market and having people want to buy it.
Nothing having to do with Apple or Google getting in the way. Just hard in general.
 
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