But this is a US case. Apple's commission has been deemed legal by US courts. It's no use to discuss that in story about a legal case which isn't about commissions at all.
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Epic Games Accuses Apple of Charging 'Unjustified Fees' for Required Non-App Store Purchase Link
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But this is a US case. Apple's commission has been deemed legal by US courts. It's no use to discuss that in story about a legal case which isn't about commissions at all.
What if you got a Tesla model for $99 per year and access to 60% of all the taxi customers in the US? I'm not sure a 15% commission fee would be unfair if you made less than a $1 million dollar.
Is it illegal between two businesses in the US? I don't think it would be an anti-trust issue.
But you can buy games on disc from different retailers. You’re not tied into digital only.
I believe Sony and Nintendo charge the license fee on all versions of the game regardless of whether it comes on a disc or is a digital download. This is the same as Apple charging a CTF on apps not from the Apple AppStore.
Sony, Microsoft, Nintendo subsidise hardware costs. I seem to remember Microsoft reporting that they lose money on every Xbox.
Irrespective of that it’s about choice. I prefer to purchase games on disc or I can if I want to use the PS Store and download directly. I can choose from a range of places to purchase that game. I can buy a game in John Lewis, Game, Argos, Smyths etc. I can only purchase apps for my iPhone from Apple.
Adobe sells coupon cards to purchase Creative Cloud. So does Microsoft does the same with Office either subscription or perpetual.
Which is fine, but that doesn’t mean any of the options will be sans Apple’s fees.
The monetisation strategy isn’t tied to the type of hardware.
And Apple isn’t aware of (or rather don’t acknowledge and reward) the contributions third-party developers have made and are making in making their platform popular.
illegal contract? it was the same contract for over a decade. Epic just didnt like the wording and went outside and broke the rules. the were removed for breaking them not punished.
Other than the huge amounts of money that Apple’s users generates for those developers.
But beyond that, other than giving out shiny trophies in recognition of the best apps in certain categories, Apple does not roll out the red carpet and throw an elaborate awards ceremony in recognition of those app developers.
What more do these greedy developers want?
If you reread the article, it is clearly also about commissions - because that’s Epic’s argument:
“Epic Games claims that the fees make the links "commercially unusable," thereby subverting the injunction“
It doesn‘t. The app generates the money - and Apple takes a cut certain revenues that app.
That‘s why it’s called a commission.
The app uses Apple’s technology. That’s why the revenue is shared.
It’s a symbiotic relationship. It goes in a circle. Apple made the first step to make it all possible though.
And thats why they share the revenue. It’s a mutually beneficial relationship.
Not everyone understands that it seems. The funniest thing to me is that people agree to terms then complain. First of all these aren’t ridiculous terms. They are quite reasonable in my opinion. I disagree with certain things, but in general reasonable terms.
You are correct.
The history with smart phones since the day of Windows Mobile (not going back any further), is that there was no incentive for the manufacturer to continue updating the software on their phones. For example, the Compaq iPaq and later the HP iPad, didn't get frequent updates, and the builds were always far behind the current versions.
Later I got an HTC Touch Pro II. It only received one update in the 2+ years I owned it, and it was 2 versions behind. The phone was capable of running the latest version of the software, but the manufacturer didn't have an incentive to keep developing for it. And forger about Tech Support. You had to call your cellphone provider and if they didn't have a solution, you would be referred to the manufacturer's support channel. If you were lucky to talk to someone, it would be a Chinese person with broken English and dry attitude.
On the contrary, Apple continues releasing updates for all their models during several years, sometimes more than 5 years. Why? It's because they have their Ecosystem, with the AppStore, iCloud, etc. That revenue pays for Tech Support, Software R&D, Software Updates, development tools, AppStore hosting, iCloud hosting, etc. And remember Apple stopped charging for their OS updates too.
The hardware revenue covers the cost of retail stores and employees, R&D, advertising, etc... So when people say: "Oh, Apple only pays $400.00 for a device they sell for $1200.00, they are soooo greedy!", they don't know what they are talking about.
These new Gens are spoiled to the max, I don't want to imagine what the next one will bring; probably more whining and demanding, because they deserve it all.
You are right. My response below addresses your point.
Epic Games Accuses Apple of Charging 'Unjustified Fees' for Required Non-App Store Purchase Link
Have you heard of a concept called a win-win? Sometimes you can make decisions that benefit multiple parties. With what Apple had built: Users got an ecosystem that they can depend on. Apple share holders got to make money. Apple employees got to build the greatest multi platform ecosystem...
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Of course, not all the profit disappears covering the cost of retail stores and employees, R&D, advertising, etc... There's plenty of profit left over...
If you say so...
And if you were correct, what's the damage? I thought business is all about making money.
Unless it's government, which is all about spending money.
Sideloading should bypass that, much as it does on MacOS. Setup your own ID, hosting, etc, and bypass Apple completely. iOS can sandbox Apps and require user intervention to allow access to data, much like the Mac.
And base the fee on downloads - you want to allow 10000000 d/ls, then the fee is X. 500? it's Y.
IIRC, Xcode is not required to develop an iOS app and sideloading will allow apps them to host it in the EU. Elsewhere, they either pay Apple or forgo iOS. Whether the EU's approach should be forced elsewhere is a seperate issue from Apple's charging to be on the App Store.
There products are different from the likes of EPIC and Apple decided those types of apps need not pay a fee per sale.
And developers benefit from Apple's user base; it's a symbiotic user base.
Just becasue they have one stream of revenue doesn't mean they can't have another.
The price you pay for Epic’s games (or any games or apps) is the price set by the market.
If Epic wins this fight they will not pass the savings on to you.
So rant all you want about Apple’s greed, but just know that you’re fighting for Epic’s greed.
If Epic wins this fight they will not pass the savings on to you.
So rant all you want about Apple’s greed, but just know that you’re fighting for Epic’s greed.
And close to Apple's 15% for small developers and Apple's 15% for subscriptions after year 1. Everyone focuses on the 30% but many developers pay far less. Epic also charges a fee for the UnReal engine if you don't sell through their store purchase program.
I wonder if you can charge less on using a 3rd party processor, advertise that and get 100% of the revenue and free use of the UnReal Engine as well as hosting by Epic?
