You can do both. If a contract term is illegal then you always have the right to break it.
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OK, then why did the Judge allow Apple to terminate its agreements with Epic worldwide for breaking the contract?
No, you can't do both in the US unless you want a Judge to slap you down.
You're putting words in my mouth. Look at my posts again. I was just pointing out Apple are very very profitable and make a lot of money on their hardware even when you take away all expenses. Any meaning beyond this is invented by you. I'm just stating facts- no assumptions.
And they give out free games weekly. They are only paying pennies for each copy, but it does cost $10+ million per year in aggregate.
And they have sales with coupons where Epic ends up with a negative cut... yes, they actually end up paying the developer more than the customer pays.
Are you confusing my posts with someone else's? I made no error. My professional background is in finance.
Being rude for no reason is a bad look, so I'll have to assume you just got yourself befuddled.
Great! Then tell me:
If the parts to build an iPhone cost Apple $400 and Apple sells it for $1000, what’s the profit?
That’s why I said EU, and I also said I’m not well versed with US law.
… do you want me to give you a timeline?
- Cheap or free developer tools - check
- No need to find a distributor to get your product on the shelves
- Gives you worldwide distribution
- Access to a large and lucrative customer base
- Handles all the back end stuff like tax compliance and fees
- Able to bring your product to market for the cost of a developers account so you can see if the product will sell before investing anything in getting it to market
- Provides a way to limit piracy without having to use some DMA product which just angers your customers, cost money and often doesn't stop much piracy
- Handle hosting the apps
Steam defined the modern video game industry
You are the only one who is engaging in a rewriting of history. Apple did contribute, but they’re were just one of many companies doing it. If Apple had never existed, it wouldn’t have changed. The simple fact was Steam had shown an extremely lucrative business industry that was going to be implemented on smart phones.
Yep, but that’s isn’t making the store unprofitable, it’s their tactics to grow explosively and become a threat to steam. They are currently doing predatory pricing (could be) if they sell their service under cost in order to become competitive to steam.
FYI that’s super illegal in EU so lucky for them it’s not based in EU.
The same thing happened when wallmart tried to establish themselves in Germany and getting absolutely chewed out by the culture and the legal system for trying to make their goods cheaper by selling them below cost to attract rival consumers to their store.
YEs, exactly.
If a retail store sells an item for the same as online, they store or retail group bought it significantly less (probably more than 30% less) to stick it on their shelves.
15-30% is a great deal for devs. So much better than retail channels of old. And the few that still exist.
Parts are only part of the equation. Engineering, frivolous lawsuuts , marketing, software, etc
...due to exclusivity deals and promotions.
Apple probably ran their store at a loss for a while.
Microsoft are also taking 12-15%.
It's absolutely doable to run it profitably.
I have no need to play silly games. Don't bother replying to my posts again as I won't respond.
So Apple's greedy bastard if they get 30% but it's OK for Epic to pocket it?
Apple created that set of circumstances on the App Store; which is the value it provides to developers and customers.
Maybe they pay becasue their App Store never caught on and people only use it for free stuff?
I agree, but I suspect many want to use Apple's services, including Epic; Epic just doesn't want to pay to use it.
The different schools of economic thought are interesting; my theory is the we heavily influenced by the areas culture; where Europe developed from a feudal culture where the ruler provided for his or her people and the US went of in a different direction as it expanded. So differing views of the role of the state makes sense when viewed from that perspective.
Exactly! That was my point. Thank you.
Most people don't see beyond the visible, and ignore the obvious.
Sorry, it's not a game. I'm being serious. Enlighten me please.
Didn't mean to offend you.
My friend, if there's still people who believe the Earth is flat and that we never got to the Moon, it's going to be more difficult convince these people.
True, but if that results in violating other legal terms you can be held accountable for that.
Which one? Gross? Net? Operating? Economic? Considering the rule of thumb is somewhere between 3 to 5x the BOM cost Apple is on the low end of markup if you use your numbers.
That was my point, there's a lot more involved beyond the BOM cost.
If Apple didnt exist, Android wouldnt look and behave like it does (as pre iPhone version was very different).
And App Store wouldnt exist as Google bundled apps into OS before Apple created a separate store...
To play games on mobile really needs hardware buttons.
I'd much rather play a game on Switch than phone unless it is better played by touch than moving cursors.
Epic are right. More disgusting monopolist behaviour from Apple.
I did not say that- in fact I said nothing of the sort. They're a successful business. Incredibly successful. I'm baffled why you would even write the words you did and attribute any of that to me. 👀 They can monetise whatever they want, unless it breaks the law. The EU decided that their App Store can be circumvented, and it doesn't matter if any of us like or dislike that- it is what it is, and Apple will be forced to abide by it.