Apple IS handling the entire infrastructure that allows the apps to install and run on their platform.
Developers must pay Sony and Microsoft for a license to use their platforms - this is NO different!
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Epic Games Accuses Apple of Charging 'Unjustified Fees' for Required Non-App Store Purchase Link
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How do you think Nintendo and Sony make all their money on their game platforms?
They charge a licensing fee - this is NO different!
Jesus Christ, these pathetic crybaby morons at Epic Games just can’t get over losing to Apple… Someone please go postal on them and end this sad miserable company for once and for all! 😂
It's Apple's Store. Until the US does something to force Apple to add third party app stores like the EU did, they can effectively do what they want. All they did was removed the 3% charge they had with credit card companies.
Epic could collateralize payments with AMP and only pay a 0.5% fee.
Epic could collateralize payments with AMP and only pay a 0.5% fee.
No court in any civilized country is going to tell Apple they can’t charge for their IP. Won’t happen. No law or court has even tried. It’s a pretty big elephant in the room that everybody has been trying to ignore but isn’t going away.
Every law, including the DMA, only limits Apple’s ability to have an automatic mechanism to collect these fees. They do not indemnify developers from license fees, nor should they. Apple is subject to paying license fees for some of the very tech they put in their SDK for developers and companies all over the world have rightly sued Apple and won the right to be paid fees for Apple's use of their IP. I don’t see Epic or anyone else winning this.
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Colossal mistake caving to public/EU/MacRumors-forums pressure and letting Epic back onto the App Store. Days after Epic begged Apple to “trust us” they are pulling more nonsense. When will Apple learn?
Anyone that pushes back against big corpos is a good thing.
Could the same be said for Epic? They can leave Apple and start their own mobile phone platform and sell directly to gamers, or partner up with someone else. There are other ways for them to reach gamers besides the App Store.
You seriously need to chill out, dude. Your last four posts here have contained metaphors for murder and arson against Epic.
We have been developing Software for Windows for years and we have not paid even one cent to Microsoft.
But Apple NEVER jsutified the 15-30% fee as being to cover payment processing.
We all know banks and card companies charge fees.
Depends upon the size of the business what rate they charge. 1-5%.
Sometimes customers get charged the fee (many businesses pass it along for American Express here).
So Epic go what they wanted: the fee for payment removed.
The remaining commission is for all the infrastructure, tools, marketing that Apple provide to bring app users along.
We all know banks and card companies charge fees.
Depends upon the size of the business what rate they charge. 1-5%.
Sometimes customers get charged the fee (many businesses pass it along for American Express here).
So Epic go what they wanted: the fee for payment removed.
The remaining commission is for all the infrastructure, tools, marketing that Apple provide to bring app users along.
Maybe it’s time for Apple to up their pricing for Xcode SDK. $100 for an enterprise company seems silly, especially if their other revenue streams are being regulated out of business. I realize they made it this price so that even the indie developer could afford it, so just make it a per-user/seat-per-year fee, which is what Microsoft does with Visual Studio subscriptions and everything else they sell these days.
Apple is not the lonely gaming opportunity. This isn’t a good argument.
Chicken and egg. The fees are this low (99€) because they monetize their platform via IAP commission.
If they stop doing that, they‘ll probably jack up prices a few hundred percent (they essentially lightweight do this via their Core Tech Fee).
I get both sides but Apple is ultimately the one who can set the price to use their tools, they‘re just incredibly dumb about marketing it and try to skate things like the DMA with extra clauses to further stiffle competitors (peak Apple: „can only sideload from the web if you got 2 mil installs, are good bro of us and during leap years when there is a full moon!“ what a joke, they‘ll get wrecked for this in a few weeks).
Good lord. Are you being paid. You should be if you’re not. I’m not defending Apple by the way. You’ve just lost your way.
All this distraction means we're going to get another lousy update for the iPhone lineup.
a) It is not about SDK. If it was about SDK, anyone would have to pay independent of going through App Stor or not! Don't mix things up.
b) The "people" are forced to use Apple's services. Why is that so complicated to understand?
c) Smartphones or tablets are like computers in the meantime. Do you remember the Apple's commercial ad? Many people don't buy any computers anymore, and stick to their tablets and smartphone (=computers) for years. It is ok to sell your system as a "computer", but it is not ok to get a cut from the software suppliers who had enough additional costs to port their software also to your platform (edit: it is not all about Epic, also I have a software company and had to port our software to iOS because customers use iPads instead of Windows notbooks). You can't just steal from other people's efforts.
maybe check your tagline: iPhone SE 2022 ... i'm doubting any new whizz bang iPhone is coming your way in 2024.
more seriously, with all the employees at Apple I think we can say the hardware and software people aren't doing the lawyering on this process...
Apple can take the high ground they let them back in twice now.
And no one is forcing them to stay or release apps.
It's like the Apple Genie gave Epic three wishes but they didnt word them correctly and arent happy with what they received... let's face it, the EU specs on deliverables were vague at best. Apple has chosen to interpret them one way.
It is their justification and any developer is free to not develop on apples platform if they consider those terms unacceptable. If these terms are so, so horrible, then why are there so many developers still flocking to the platform?
I totally enjoy my "nothing burger"
in 15 years with iPhone I have paid $10 for apps, and I would never buy a smartphone because of an app ...
but I assume "3rd party Apps DRIVE iPhone sales" means the Facebook, instagram,tiktok, X etc apps of the world that people are using day in day out ...
No it doesn’t. My attitude toward epic is my attitude toward the fool running it. He is an epic a$$.
just because your users use iPads and not Windows notebooks isnt Apple's problem.
no one forced you to code for iOS unless there was identified demand there.
no one is forced to use Apple's services. They willing bought their phone or were given one. it works as advertised.
given the volume sold, many were happy to use it within limits.
Apple took the payment processing part of their 15-30% off the IAP fee. 3%. And passed the rest along to those insisting on alt payments.
Epic were never going to be happy. Nor Spotify.