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85% of the Apps are ad supported apps; meaning developers keep 100% any revenue generated through ads. Well, I guess it’s not totally free since there is a $99 a year membership fee. Boo hoo. Try to host and promote your own app outside of the App Store for 99 bucks a year. Let us know how it goes.
Okay and if apple isn't taking revenue from ads, why do they have to take revenue from in-app purchases?
 
People just use it as a stupid excuse, that you and I as purchasers of iPhones get to subsidize iOS.... and the developers get to subsidize iOS, so much so that its paid for multiple times over to a profit of $68 billion a year - but Apple still has the right to rake everyone over the coals.

But its okay, Apple is the good guy here. They give you a false sense of privacy and security so you can feel good about your purchase, meanwhile they put scanning tools on your phone and refuse to pay out bug bounties driving security researchers to give their finds to the highest paying "do-gooder". Wouldn't want to make a dent in the double dipping $68b profits to make sure their devices are as secure as they pretend.
Just FYI, making up hypotheticals based on your biased twisted take on subjects is called “opinion” which isn’t to be confused with “facts”.

Also FYI, there is something called “cost of doing business” which isn’t to be confused with “being entitled to something for the cost of nothing”. These are type of concept I strongly suggest looking into so you don’t actually think running business is simply evil. Just a thought.
 
Okay and if apple isn't taking revenue from ads, why do they have to take revenue from in-app purchases?
For the same reason your landlord charges you rent for 30 days even though you probably spend most of your day at work or outside. Just because you may only sleep and take showers in your apartment doesn’t mean your landlord’s cost of maintaining your apartment is any lower. That’s why.

P.S. In this analogy, Apple is actually better than your landlord since developers can keep 100% of the revenue generated through ads. You don’t get this type of privilege with your landlord. Are we clear now?
 
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Would not be surprised if Apple pulls out of South Korean market altogether because of this new rule. If they do in unlikely scenario, it’s a tragic but necessary move given how Apple is bullish on In App purchase policy.
 
Okay and if apple isn't taking revenue from ads, why do they have to take revenue from in-app purchases?
Because Ads are an also ran created because developers wanted it. It’s already not profitable. They also don’t use Apple’s good will to entice customers to buy. It primarily to allow free apps some revenue. We really live in a world that thinks things should be free. Nothing is ever free. Someone will be paying. If Apple is not making money they will kill the project. As they should. They are a for profit public company and they have a responsibility to their shareholders to be as profitable as possible.

Apple haters want to kill the App Store so competitors can finally beat them. App will shut down the store and invest more in the next thing. In fact, they already are.

Ironically, there was one dominant mobile OS and the only way to get Apps was from carriers at crazy high prices. I wonder why no one was complaining then.
 
They want to destroy Apple's business model. It's not about Fortnite. They want their own iOS game store, also from other manufacturers. It's like amazon wanting some Walmart stores for free to sell their stuff commission-free.

Gotcha.

So Epic wants their own store on iOS. Who's next?

I bet King (the makers of Candy Crush) would love their own store to sell gems or jewels or whatever without having to pay Apple 30%

When is there lawsuit?

:p
 
you guys are so petty for going against fortnite being reinstated. why do you white knight over apple? it's shooting it's own customers in the foot. fortnite isn't illegal or a security risk. there is no reason why it shouldn't be reinstated. you're basically saying that you're upset that apple lost thousands or a few million in lawyer fees but this lawsuit helped bring to light some of the BS on both companies.
 
because they want to be cheap and not pay their fair share. 30% is perfectly fine, they wouldn't of had any income if not for apple on their platform. apple doesn't need them, they need apple.
pay to play or get out.

I disagree with all the regulators trying to screw apple into making them operate for free or making them side load etc.. when people make their own software/hardware they can sell it however they want. stop crippling iPhone and turning it into a stupid android.

I hope apple iron fist them and tells them no. I truly do. pound sand epic.
 
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Nice try Epic. Try to make it sound like alternative payment systems were the problem, not the fact that you planted illegal code in your application and remotely activated functionality in violation of your contract.
 
Hope they’re never allowed on the App Store again.
I do too but I suspect they are hoping Apple does this so they can use it to strengthen their accusation of monopolistic abuse.
Does anyone care that Apple can't enforce Apple's own payment system?
I don't. I wouldn't use anything but Apple's payment system in any app.

I do care that iOS remains secure and that the App Store is the only way of installing Apps so that strict privacy and security policies are adhered to by all software publishers.
If iOS is forced open, all the bad actors (e.g. Facebook etc) will abandon the App Store and make themselves available only via a much less strict portal.

There's an astounding amount of hypocrisy coming out of Brussels, Washington and other political establishments right now. As if they care about our security? Ha...
Apple has a picked a fight, on behalf of their customers, with perhaps too many powerful entities who believe we are sheep there for the fleecing at their whim.
 
you guys are so petty for going against fortnite being reinstated. why do you white knight over apple? it's shooting it's own customers in the foot. fortnite isn't illegal or a security risk. there is no reason why it shouldn't be reinstated. you're basically saying that you're upset that apple lost thousands or a few million in lawyer fees but this lawsuit helped bring to light some of the BS on both companies.
They put illegal hidden code in their app that acted like a Trojan horse. That’s a huge security risk. They have lost all right to have people trust them. If they are willing and able to do this for their own secondary payment system what else are they willing or have willingly done for their Chinese 40% owner Tencent?

Epic has chosen their side, hopefully Apple never lets them back in.
 
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you guys are so petty for going against fortnite being reinstated. why do you white knight over apple? it's shooting it's own customers in the foot. fortnite isn't illegal or a security risk. there is no reason why it shouldn't be reinstated. you're basically saying that you're upset that apple lost thousands or a few million in lawyer fees but this lawsuit helped bring to light some of the BS on both companies.
I guess you don’t remember the malware millions of people got because of the sideloaded Fortnite on their Android devices. Google made an example out of this incident why sideloading is something Google itself doesn’t recommend despite being allowed on Android. Sideloading apps is the only natively supported Android function that Google does not include in its warranty. That’s for a reason so I would think twice before you say Fortnite isn’t a security or privacy risk. It already has been.

 
Apple is already bending many things over to keep China market.
So since it's S. Korea, they shouldn't care about the local law and not reinstate Epic?

So Apple discriminates based on country?
 
Would not be surprised if Apple pulls out of South Korean market altogether because of this new rule. If they do in unlikely scenario, it’s a tragic but necessary move given how Apple is bullish on In App purchase policy.
The likelihood of Apple doing that is the same as the likelihood of Apple exiting China. In short, not gonna happen. Apple has invested a lot in S.Korea, including the deal with LG to sell Apple stuff at LG stores.

Remember how Apple even allowed Russia to pre-install local apps into the iPhone.

Besides, the proposed regulation in S.Korea is simply allowing third party payment for apps. This is still better than what Epic wanted, which is an alternate app store. Apple would prefer the former than the latter.
 
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I never understood why Epic didn't do what Amazon did long ago.

Amazon didn't want to be charged 30% on every Kindle ebook they sold... so they just stopped it altogether. And people had to go to Amazon's website to buy Kindle ebooks.

Epic could have done something similar. Even though they couldn't (then) have a link to a website in the app... I'm pretty sure gamers would have figured it out.

You need an Epic Games account to play Fortnite anyway, right? So you already have a login and password to Epic's website and store.

That seems like a better option than suing the two major mobile platforms.
They did sort of. You could buy vbucks in Fortnite on a PC and use them with the same account on iOS.
 
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I guess you don’t remember the malware millions of people got because of the sideloaded Fortnite on their Android devices. Google made an example out of this incident why sideloading is something Google itself doesn’t recommend despite being allowed on Android. Sideloading apps is the only natively supported Android function that Google does not include in its warranty. That’s for a reason so I would think twice before you say Fortnite isn’t a security or privacy risk. It already has been.

Different argument. Sure, what Epic essentially wanted is an alternate app store (their own). But the context here is simply allowing alternate payment system for apps. Apple will definitely not want the former, but they can certainly compromise on the latter. It's already shown how little it will affect Apple since the big ones like Netflix and Spotify have already not used Apple's IAP. Smaller developers will continue using Apple's IAP since setting up your own payment system is actually not that easy (add on all the accountings you need to do). Only the big developers would probably do it since they already have one to begin with.
 
Yes, most if not all Android/Google TV based TVs and sticks have the ability to side load apps.
That’s only half the story. Sure, you can sideload apps on Android and Google TV but each require to install a downloaded app. You can do the same on iOS through X-code by downloading Cydia. No jailbreaking required. Neither Google nor Apple will honor any warranty if anything goes wrong. What you “can” do is different than what you are “allowed” to do. Also, depending on the tv, you may not get too far before you blocked from proceeding.
Yes, most if not all Android/Google TV based TVs and sticks have the ability to side load apps.
 
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