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Epic Games CEO Tim Sweeney Criticizes Apple Over App Store Price Increases

cocky jeremy said:
The developers wouldn't exist without the App Store. What are they selling without it? To who?
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question is who can exist with apple's walled garden. the app store and the developers are symbiotic, one doesn't exist without the other, the flip side of the coin is the app store wouldn't be where it is today without the developers.
 
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paulovsouza said:
I’m not pro make a trillion dollar richer. But just his example.. Landlord raises prices without the renters having any say, literally all the time. Apple created the device, the software, cultivated the tools, and built the user base. Then these companies made billions building the apps off that structure.

They need to figure out a new strategy, or a new business model. Because this is looking sad.
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Your landlord doesn’t dictate how much YOU charge your customers, not even the same realm.
 
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LD517 said:
It does? You’re going to let your LANDLORD tell you what to sell your items for? BS 🙄
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Apple doesn’t tell developers that except for the lowest price point. Developers set the price and Apple marks it up, like any retailer.
 
jlc1978 said:
Apple doesn’t tell developers that except for the lowest price point. Developers set the price and Apple marks it up, like any retailer.
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First sentence is correct, but I don't know what you mean when you say Apple "marks it up". Apple charges the price that the developers set.

Apple is just adjusting international prices based on currency fluctuations, so developer don't get significantly less money from international sales.
 
cocky jeremy said:
Why should anyone be able to freely make money from Apple's products? Short answer, they shouldn't.
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Laws can require it. When a company has a dominant position or monopoly power in a particular market, antitrust laws and regulations can require said company to ease restrictions, modify activities, etc. viewed as anticompetitive behavior. It's been that way for ages.
 
ProfessionalFan said:
If you don't like it, you're welcome to use a different phone like an Android. Apple isn't forcing you to use their phone.
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Sure, but that doesn’t mean Apple doesn't freeze out competition by restricting alternative app stores and sideloading on iOS. Just because there may be a mobile OS alternative (Android), doesn't necessarily make what Apple does fair or right. There were desktop OS alternatives to Windows in the 1990s but that didn't mean what Microsoft was doing regarding Windows restrictions/requirements was fair or right.
 
LD517 said:
Your landlord doesn’t dictate how much YOU charge your customers, not even the same realm.
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To be fair, Apple doesn't entirely dictate what developers sell their products for. Yes, there are some restrictions such as having to use charm pricing (typically ending in 0 or 9 e.g., $1.99) but the developer chooses the price tier they want and can change tiers when they want to. Apple adjusts those prices to more or less reflect currency value differences in countries where the app is available. Apple also adjusts prices from time to time to reflect currency rate changes.

It's certainly not a perfect system, though.
 
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webkit said:
Sure, but that doesn’t mean Apple doesn't freeze out competition by restricting alternative app stores and sideloading on iOS. Just because there may be a mobile OS alternative (Android), doesn't necessarily make what Apple does fair or right. There were desktop OS alternatives to Windows in the 1990s but that didn't mean what Microsoft was doing regarding Windows restrictions/requirements was fair or right.
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Whether it's fair or right is up to the courts and legislators.
 
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ilikewhey said:
Question is who can exist with apple's walled garden. The app store and the developers are symbiotic, one doesn't exist without the other, the flip side of the coin is the app store wouldn't be where it is today without the developers.
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It sounds like Apple needs developers as much as developers need Apple. Mutually beneficial. An equal relationship.

So maybe the split should be an equal 50-50... 50% for developers and 50% for Apple. 🤣

And yet... the split for large developers is 70-30 but for most developers it's actually 85-15

😛
 
Michael Scrip said:
It sounds like Apple needs developers as much as developers need Apple. Mutually beneficial. An equal relationship.

So maybe the split should be an equal 50-50... 50% for developers and 50% for Apple. 🤣

And yet... the split for large developers is 70-30 but for most developers it's actually 85-15

😛
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Haha imagine that. Some people here would go *******!
 
Michael Scrip said:
It sounds like Apple needs developers as much as developers need Apple. Mutually beneficial. An equal relationship.

So maybe the split should be an equal 50-50... 50% for developers and 50% for Apple. 🤣

And yet... the split for large developers is 70-30 but for most developers it's actually 85-15

😛
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sure, go propose that to the developers, every single one of them will leave the app store in a instant and move elsewhere, apple gives a great platform, but no the only platform for developers to show their talents, saying apple should get equal is like saying office space should get 50% of company profit because some companies wouldn't be able to exist without it.
 
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ilikewhey said:
sure, go propose that to the developers, every single one of them will leave the app store in a instant and move elsewhere, apple gives a great platform, but no the only platform for developers to show their talents, saying apple should get equal is like saying office space should get 50% of company profit because some companies wouldn't be able to exist without it.
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So if developers are free to go elsewhere, where’s the antitrust?
 
ilikewhey said:
sure, go propose that to the developers, every single one of them will leave the app store in a instant and move elsewhere, apple gives a great platform, but not the only platform for developers to show their talents, saying apple should get equal is like saying office space should get 50% of company profit because some companies wouldn't be able to exist without it.
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Relax... no one is proposing that Apple gets 50%

It was just an exercise to make us think.

With that out of the way... is 15% or 30% too much?

What should the number be?

🤔
 
Michael Scrip said:
Relax... no one is proposing that Apple gets 50%

It was just an exercise to make us think.

With that out of the way... is 15% or 30% too much?

What should the number be?

🤔
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i think 15-20 is fair, then again i'm not the european union. so who knows. regardless, apple can comply with E.U or sell else where 😂
 
ilikewhey said:
again, they weren't making 0 before, where do u even get that number.
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To me it was pretty obvious he's talking about revenue from iOS app sales. Obviously zero iOS app sales are happening without the developer participating in the App Store.
 
webkit said:
Laws can require it. When a company has a dominant position or monopoly power in a particular market, antitrust laws and regulations can require said company to ease restrictions, modify activities, etc. viewed as anticompetitive behavior. It's been that way for ages.
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Not happening.
 
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techwhiz said:
Why can't I install on my iPad/iPhone what I want?

Does Apple own my device or do I?

That's the fundamental issue. It's not about security; it's about Apple getting a piece of everyone's pie.
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You own the physical device, not the OS. Apple owns iOS. You're only licensed to use iOS (or iPadOS) subject to the licensing agreement. Since software installation is something that happens on iOS, Apple gets to regulate that. You can do whatever you want with your physical device.
 
ilikewhey said:
sure, go propose that to the developers, every single one of them will leave the app store in a instant and move elsewhere, apple gives a great platform, but no the only platform for developers to show their talents, saying apple should get equal is like saying office space should get 50% of company profit because some companies wouldn't be able to exist without it.
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Where are they going? To android where the cheap ass owners don't pay for apps and buy free garbage instead?
 
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