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Epic Games Confirms New Fortnite Season Won't Be Available on iOS or Mac
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It is easy to dismiss one app disappearing. However, imagine if all the Unreal Engine games were gone from the app store. Then imagine if all the Unity games disappeared. And more..
I get why Apple thinks these companies need the platform, but Apple forgets they need these companies also. If all 3rd party apps started disappearing, then imagine how crappy the iOS platform would be.
It isn't as simple as a lot of people think. Yeah, most adults aren't going to care about Fortnite disappearing, but there is a bigger issue here.
I get why Apple thinks these companies need the platform, but Apple forgets they need these companies also. If all 3rd party apps started disappearing, then imagine how crappy the iOS platform would be.
It isn't as simple as a lot of people think. Yeah, most adults aren't going to care about Fortnite disappearing, but there is a bigger issue here.
Just want to point out Call of Duty Mobile has been an outstanding game.
Why remove it from Mac? They don't even NEED to do this! Pillocks!
I dont play fortnite nor do I have any intention to, but I don’t think this is a self own. Whether this works out in the long run or not is questionable, but there’s no doubt they knew this was coming. They want to keep pushing this and trying to escalate it to appear sympathetic to their users who are now unable to play this new season.
It may not pay off as a strategy but they had this planned from the start
It may not pay off as a strategy but they had this planned from the start
You can make games without Unreal Engine. And Unity isn't even remotely involved in this, nor is GameMaker or any other engine. Epic would do go on their customers to split the engine into a separate business if they are going to mess about with small developers incomes on their crusade for more profit.
It ran fine on the kids’ iPhone XR’s. Epic is the one who crapped on its customers with this maneuver. They could continue their lawsuit and still honor what iOS customers paid for. But they’re posturing and so they suck.
They want to push their agenda and make it look like Apple are banning them from developing for macOS.
Can't believe we still have people blatantly defending the trillion dollar company without even secondguessing their decision. I use and love Apple products every day, but when I see something bad or unethical, I'll call them out on their BS.
Epic is fighting for the rights of all developers, not just themselves. It's for the little guy, the underdog making chump change while Apple is making 30% for doing nothing.
Meanwhile Tim Cook just cashed out 265,000 shares and made over $140m ...
You guys do realize that Microsoft was sued and lost for having IE being the default browser in Windows. Apple's ecosystem is way more monopolistic in nature than Windows' was in 1995.
Epic is fighting for the rights of all developers, not just themselves. It's for the little guy, the underdog making chump change while Apple is making 30% for doing nothing.
Meanwhile Tim Cook just cashed out 265,000 shares and made over $140m ...
You guys do realize that Microsoft was sued and lost for having IE being the default browser in Windows. Apple's ecosystem is way more monopolistic in nature than Windows' was in 1995.
Epic believes that Apple's terms requiring Epic to give Apple 30% of income that Apple plays no part in Epic earning (Epic built the payment infrastructure, Epic hosts the servers that process the payment, Epic's marketing drives traffic to their app, and Epic would rather host the download of the app itself).
Apple takes 30% of the sale price, to provide a hosting and payment processing service, which multiple independent vendors have described as amounting to around 8% of the sale price when selling through non-Apple distribution (that's financial processing, hosting bandwidth etc).
The only way for Epic bring a case against Apple to change this, was to engineer a situation that was actionable. The idea that they would have achieved anything by "asking" Apple to change the deal, is laughable.
The fact that a contract contains terms, does not make those terms legally enforceable - see non-compete clauses for employment contracts in California.
It's worth bearing in mind, that Epic's Unreal engine is the basis of many, if not most of the games Apple pays to have developed for their Apple Arcade service, so the idea that they would yank Epic's Unreal developer account is ridiculous footbullet posturing on Apple's part.
Apple takes 30% of the sale price, to provide a hosting and payment processing service, which multiple independent vendors have described as amounting to around 8% of the sale price when selling through non-Apple distribution (that's financial processing, hosting bandwidth etc).
The only way for Epic bring a case against Apple to change this, was to engineer a situation that was actionable. The idea that they would have achieved anything by "asking" Apple to change the deal, is laughable.
The fact that a contract contains terms, does not make those terms legally enforceable - see non-compete clauses for employment contracts in California.
It's worth bearing in mind, that Epic's Unreal engine is the basis of many, if not most of the games Apple pays to have developed for their Apple Arcade service, so the idea that they would yank Epic's Unreal developer account is ridiculous footbullet posturing on Apple's part.
Woah!
aren’t we meant to believe the only grown up company in the world is Apple and Epic is run by 5 year olds throwing their dummies out of their pram (admittedly by kids with no experience in business).
God forbid Epic had a way of tracking their players user agents and therefore carefully considered that losing Fortnite on iOS would in no material way affect players on Xbox, PS4 etc.
No. The entire planet’s brain trust centers solely on Cupertino.
Why not for mac?
Seems pretty hypocritical: “you can’t bring unreal engine into this dispute, apple! Unreal has nothing to do with this!” Followed by “hey mac users - if you want these goodies, better tell apple to give us what we want on ios!”
Seems pretty hypocritical: “you can’t bring unreal engine into this dispute, apple! Unreal has nothing to do with this!” Followed by “hey mac users - if you want these goodies, better tell apple to give us what we want on ios!”
Just to add, the rhetoric on this topic is changing. Now the dust has settled, people are beginning to see this for what it is. Epic is playing the petulant brat after taking the pre-meditated move to break Apple's T&C's.
The problem for them is the only loser is Epic. Lost revenue. Fewer gamers. And a dented reputation.
The problem for them is the only loser is Epic. Lost revenue. Fewer gamers. And a dented reputation.
If you have kids that play it a lot, probably not as good as before. I guess some parents will see their "me" time drop like a lead balloon when their kids won't be glued for hours and hours to the screen of a device. Not to mention the inevitable whining because they can't play.
Epic is welcome to choose to make 100% less from Apple customers.
No one but NO one would demand a Fire Tablet
Folks are “blatantly defending” the idea of “adhering to your contractual obligations”. That’s a good idea regardless of who you are or what you’re doing or how big you are. There’s no rational questioning of whether or not a person should stick to their word.
They chose the self inflicted wound...so it's their problem.
I'm sure 12 year olds have wised up at this point.
I'm sure 12 year olds have wised up at this point.
Seriously with this crap again?
Epic is NOT fighting for all developers, they are fighting for themselves.
70% is not "chump change", devs can charge whatever they want to make their margins. If items are more expensive on iOS so be it, you would pay more for things at a high end grocer vs Costco but that is your choice.
Apple is not doing "nothing" they built and maintain the hardware, the OS, development tools, the ecosystem and the store. None of these things are a fixed cost, they evolve and have real, ongoing costs. Apple also funds all the "freemium" apps, without a commission on the IAPs they would get NOTHING from any free app, how would you suggest addressing that?
The Microsoft IE argument is the worst comparison yet, at that time Microsoft had a 90%+ stranglehold on the desktop computer OS market, 2019 numbers show iOS phones are about 60% of the market, again you have choices.
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I'm happy Epic took a stand. Apple is not the best nor the only solution out there. Epic just needs to find the market place that works for them best. Microsoft, Samsung, HMS, Lots of other choices they can most definitely find success in. People by nature are afraid to foster change, Epic has a really good opportunity to do so and lead by example. Hats off to those guys and the best of luck.
Yeah, EPIC is fighting for everyone which is why they won't remove a line of code that gives Apple, the company hosting their game and patches, $0.
Please read up on the IE suit as well.
