The fact that they won't release on MAC just shows how petty they are.
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Epic Games Confirms New Fortnite Season Won't Be Available on iOS or Mac
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Epic does not speak for me as a developer nor many tens of thousands of others that thanks to the AppStore can well with little to no risk and with significantly less cost. Without the AppStore I might maybe see 30% of that sale instead of 70%. Epic want better terms for themselves and to be allowed to shoehorn in their own store.
To play the sympathy card I guess?
This would be a great card to play if Epic did NOT want to support Mac anymore, Apple is taking our developers license so we're closing down the Epic Games Store for Macintosh. It's not "our fault"!
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Kids are quite resilient. They’ll be off to the next thing, likely a big empty box, an interestingly shaped twig or, you know, an actual computer/console that still has the game on it.
...and some gamers will simply find other Battle Royale games and never go back.
Because gaming really made Apple who they are today? Fortnite is so 2019 anyways
Seriously...the desktop/laptop software distribution system is the one that they claim is the best for consumers, yet here they are choosing not to support it on Mac.
Every kid I know plays on a console.
Couldn’t Apple sue for libel here? The statement is factually wrong, even the Judge said Epic could just resubmit the app without the ability for the second payment system and they wouldn’t get banned, and they could go on with the legal battle nonetheless. I think it would be an easy win for Apple, as you can easily prove Epic knew what they were writing was wrong. They’re playing games, and this move is pretty amateur. They’re not helping themselves.
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Dumb. The people playing Fortnite won't be loyal to Epic, they'll just move on to whatever else is popular and stay there until there's something new. Likelihood of return to Fortnite even if/when the battle of wits is over will be pretty low.
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I'm sure that Apple and Epic are getting a lot of emails about this, but I'm glad that Samsung now has the easiest marketing slam dunk against iPhones (aka playing Fortnite). Steve Jobs once noted that video games were one of the reasons why the Mac never outsold a PC, let's see if the gamer tides will turn for Samsung
Epic counts essentially on this naive, and uniformed, world perspective. Epic doesn’t care about any ”underdogs” only about increasing their profits, the “little guys” as they themselves state several times, benefits from the Apple Store, they can be promoted at the same level of big labels despite not having the budget, for them not having to think about promotion, payment processing and so on and have all the visibility the App Store provides is good. It’s only for giants like Epic, that can afford to build and maintain their own stores and spend big money on promotion, that the App Store it’s not the ideal solution to maximize their profits as much as they can.
As for the Windows/iOS comparison, it’s clear you don’t know what you are talking about. IE wasn’t even the iceberg of MS monopolistic and anti competitive tactics. Study first, talk later.
It is NOT unethical to enforce the terms of a contract that Epic has - deliberately and knowingly - violated. Can safely ignore the strawmen/non sequiturs here.
What do you - ethical businessperson - do when someone violates the terms of a contract that they entered into freely, fully understanding and agreeing to all its terms? Shrug, let them off because they're the little guy? Why shouldn't everyone you do business with treat contracts with you like toilet paper?
Doesn't matter what you think of Apple or what Microsoft did or what Tim Cook does with his shares... Epic are massively, deliberately in the wrong.
What Epic isn't admitting: the price for a digital copy of a new console game is exactly the same as the price for a physical copy sold in a retail store DESPITE the fact that the cut for the digital store (30%) is actually much lower than the cut for the physical copy in a retail store (55%). That doesn't fit with Epic claiming that a lower cut = lower prices for consumers.
Something I was thinking of earlier today... if someone were to approach me saying they wanted to enter into a business agreement with me (I need access to their market, they need my app) with revenue sharing and they STARTED the negotiation at 70/30 in my favor? I’d probably be signing before the words got out of their mouth.
MAC OS has nothing to do with iOS. Maybe Apple should remove/block the Epic store?
This is what most don't seem to understand. Console makes up over 90% of Fortnite usage. It's where they make the vast majority of their revenue. They're not at a big loss here.
They pay the same 30% to Microsoft, Sony, and Nintendo on console, that they do to Apple and Google on mobile.
There's a good reason they started their fight on mobile and that's because it's not a significant part of their revenue. If they lose the case, they're not out a lot. If they win, then they take that president to the console makers and bring the fight there. But you don't start by going after the guys that make up the majority of your revenue first. There's far less risk in going after the mobile platform folks and seeing how it plays out first.
Regardless of the store cut, there is still a cost to manufactor, press, print etc. physical media. Digital is "cheaper" with the 30% cut and there is no old stock that gets discounted/returned for credit. Physical Media will all but be gone in the next few years.
Players have to wait another month to see how court goes for this. Should be interesting. Epic must have done the math and decided that the risk/reward of potentially not having to pay the 30% cut is worth the nearly 2 million dollars they made in daily iOS in app purchases.
Console is 70% of their customers. The other 30% is divided between PCs and mobile, with mobile being the smallest customer base.
From Epic:
'If you still want to play Fortnite on Android, you can access the latest version of Fortnite from the Epic Games App for Android on Fortnite.com/Android or the Samsung Galaxy Store.'
We are all also free to choose the following platforms, also supported by Fortnite:
MS Windows, Nintendo Switch, PS4, PS5, Xbox One, Xbox Series X
I hope the judge in this case takes a good long look at these platforms, fees and general terms & conditions. The market available to Epic for Fortnite is evidently not monopolistic.
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'If you still want to play Fortnite on Android, you can access the latest version of Fortnite from the Epic Games App for Android on Fortnite.com/Android or the Samsung Galaxy Store.'
We are all also free to choose the following platforms, also supported by Fortnite:
MS Windows, Nintendo Switch, PS4, PS5, Xbox One, Xbox Series X
I hope the judge in this case takes a good long look at these platforms, fees and general terms & conditions. The market available to Epic for Fortnite is evidently not monopolistic.
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The OS is paid by the customer and by Apple itself. The dev tools by Apple itself, Apple need it, it is an investment they HAVE to do, since it is what allows devs to make apps, which then makes iPhone successful. If Apple was not doing dev tools, there would be no apps, therefore, iPhone would not sell at all.
The store, well, Epic absolutely doesn't need the store at all. Apple forces them to have their app in the store. Epic has all the infrastructure needed, plus they need to spend extra just for the sake of Apple and its dictatorship.
I'm fine for having one single store, but then the rules need to be very broad and only security should count. Any subjective rule should be forbidden, because it is only protecting Apple's business and hurting customers and developers
If Apple still wants a store where they can choose which app can be there and which can't just depending their mood and their interpretation very wide of their own rule, then they have to open their store. If was ok to have such a system for some time. Now, it is time to open. Like any patent is limited in time to allow the company to make profit, the store allowed Apple to make their profit. Now enough of their censure. Many apps cannot be done just because of some stupid rule...
