how? epic violates their t&c's with apple, and apple blocks them. nothing wrong with that statement.
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Epic Games Confirms New Fortnite Season Won't Be Available on iOS or Mac
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how? epic violates their t&c's with apple, and apple blocks them. nothing wrong with that statement.
Would have to show that the false statement caused apple damage, which seems unlikely given that everyone knows the truth?
the statement is false because epic IS allowed to update the app, so long as the update doesn't continue to violate the T&C's.
That's the point: the savings for developers/publishers in the digital sales model wasn't passed along to customers. One of Epic's primary claims is that savings get passed to consumers, yet their biggest market for Fortnite doesn't work that way. Digital downloads on consoles are the same price as a physical copy for new games.
“You can’t play Fortnite on iOS or Mac because we wanted to be special, and Apple reminded us we aren’t.”
Epic is an 8 year old taking their toys home. I'm sure MACOS is like, 2% of their base, but they are being dicks. The language they used will no doubt be brought up by the Apple Attorneys as it is factually incorrect. The judge will be piiiiiiised
Another thing Epic clearly hasn’t realized: when they showed they were willing to ignore a contract with Apple, they showed what they felt about agreements between companies... companies that, say, depend on them for tooling. I’d figure that a lot of those are looking for other solutions or even starting development on a backup in-house solution for Unreal. No matter how you look at this, Epic is going to be swatting at a few giants in the industry and a lot of these development houses don’t want to be stuck in the middle.
Is it because they might not be able to notorize the game due to the dev account?
Every single one of those consoles also take a 30% cut. Sony, Microsoft, and Nintendo all do the exact same. But consoles make up over 90% of their revenue, so they don't want to start the fight there. If they lose to Apple and Google, they're not out much. If they win, then they'll have the confidence they need to take on the console makers and fight them on that cut too. They're making the low risk bet first.
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Purely out of spite. There's nothing Apple or anyone is doing them that'd prevent it from being on macOS at this point. It's simply a move to try to make Apple look bad in any way they can.
I imagine Epic is hoping that players on iOS and macOS will flood Tim Cook's inbox with pleas to allow Fortnite back into the App Store with their own IAP and that this will force Apple will cave and lift the Developer Ban.
What savings? Do you think storage is free for Apple? Or daily updates? Access to hundreds of millions of customers?
Why does anything need to get "passed on"? Do developers do that? No.
Go OUTSIDE, the screen is much bigger and more interactive. Who wants to be held hostage by bratty children who THINK they HAVE to be playing on a electronic device to be entertained!?
If that was the ONLY way to play it, they might be right to expect that. But low effort wins the day and with several ways to play it starting at $299, some they may already own AND the game being free to download, most will just shift to those other better platforms.
True but hopefully more companies, especially big names, will choose to abandon iOS and Apple altogether in protest. Eventually govt will step in.
You're misinterpreting my posts. I'm criticizing Epic for false claims about developers/publishers passing savings on to customers. It obviously doesn't work that with consoles, which is Epic's largest market for Fortnite.
"Apple Itself"? Silly comment, Apple pays for nothing itself, customers pay for everything. That's just as silly as saying the government pays for it and not the taxpayers.
Also silly, see above, Apple doesn't pay for it, customers do, you have a strange sense of economics. They make the initial investment to build tools but that investment needs to be repaid and grown/maintained.
Apple didn't remove Epic apps based on their "mood", Epic made the decision to willingly violate the agreement they made with Apple. Epic could have ridden out their contract and then attempted to renegotiate or just not do business with Apple, its really that simple and still is today.
Please reference the many apps that cannot be "done" because of "some stupid rule" and also please define the stupid rule that is preventing these apps from existing.
They are, though. The judge is allowing Apple to terminate the developer account associated with Fortnite, which is the account that breached the agreement. Presumably, Apple will do so on Friday as promised. The only thing Apple is forbidden from doing under the TRO is terminating other developer accounts associated with Epic Games or its affiliates that were not involved in the breach, which includes the Unreal Engine.
Yes, for those who have access to multiple platforms already they can just move over.
But for those who only have an iOS device (or an iOS device and a Mac), for example, would they buy a console (or a Windows PC) just to play? Yes, there is Boot Camp, but that has it's own caveats.
And arguably hoping iOS/macOS players put pressure on Apple to cave is itself a "low effort" move since it requires nothing from Epic. And it would explain why they also are denying macOS players access to the new Season when there is no financial or technical barrier to doing so (beyond Epic just being petty, which is counter-productive to their message that they are 'doing it for the players').
I don't know how much revenue Fortnite gets from iOS players, though I recall that it was at one time substantial. If it still is substantial, Epic will indeed be hoping people do move on to other platforms and continue spending that money.
Like cmaier said, Epic can update the app all they want, so long they don’t continue violating the T&C. Regardless of the validity of the T&C, which will be assessed down the line in court, a Judge as already said Apple could enforce it for now, but that Epic has the ability to avoid being banned. It is their own decision to not offer an update that complies with the current T&C.
Might be hard to prove in absolute terms that it caused Apple damage. And clearly, even on here, some either ignore the truth, as you say, or misunderstand it. We can assume the millions of players who will see this message aren’t all interested in following the legal battle either, so based on Epic’s message alone, will side with Epic. There’s definitely a case to be argued here, and I’m sure Apple could find a few thousand Fortnite players who’ll gladly admit they switched platform because of it.
I realize all that. I'm saying what if this becomes a trend and all these other engines take a stand. What good is iOS without apps?
Yes. As does google. And Microsoft. And sony. And Nintendo.
